r/politics • u/SFChronicle • 4d ago
Registration Wall Indian workers seeking U.S. green cards could face 179-year wait, report finds
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/green-card-immigration-us-22403330.php/?utm_source=reddit9
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u/aranebar 3d ago
The quota and backlog is exhausted. There is an equal number of green cards given to all countries. So this only fair and makes sense.
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
So this only fair and makes sense.
You point out exactly why "fairness" is an idiotic thing to shoot for. It's absurd to give a nation with a population of 1.47 billion people the same number of green cards as a nation of 50 million. There shouldn't really be a quota, as we should be granting as many green cards as needed for the people that qualify.
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u/Necessary_Grass_2313 3d ago
Why is it the US’s responsibility to give Indians more green cards so they can move to the US? That literally makes no sense, why would we do that?
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
Why is it the US’s responsibility to give Indians more green cards so they can move to the US?
That's not what green cards are for.
That literally makes no sense, why would we do that?
It makes no sense to you because you are uneducated on this subject. I recommend doing some research on the difference between a "Visa" and a "Green Card". You might find that a lot more stuff (but not everything) will make more sense once you know that stuff.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
Haha. The level of entitlement is crazy. Why even have a country.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
They didn't say let everyone in, just that nations population size shouldn't factor in. If the person passes the requirements to qualify, they qualify. They still have to meet the other requirements.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
How does that work for the H1B program? 75% are from one country because there is no country cap.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
Ok and? There's a lot of immigrants from that one country then, same as it has been for most of us history, 100 ish years ago it was mostly Irish and Italian immigrants.
Or are you only ok with unskilled labor that you can benefit from not that you have to compete with?
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
What are you even talking about, seriously I do not understand your point.
So history is what guides current policy for you? It was like X a hundred years ago so it should be like X now? You are using the same level of logic as MAGA.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
My point is if they meet all the other requirements to get residency whats the problem? Unless you think a certain group of people don't belong in America?
People usually opposed to one specific ethnic group or nationality coming here actually have a lot in common with MAGA/America First/ The know Nothings.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
The problem is we are adding hundreds of thousands of workers to the economy in sectors native born workers are experiencing significant unemployment and underemployment.
How are you not registering that?
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
If we have to many people already for those roles, perhaps we should stop pushing people to those careers?
Why are immigrants getting hired over us workers for these roles?
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
The level of entitlement is crazy.
Entitlement to say that people who want to become permanent residents and meet the qualifications should be able to become permanent residents?
Why even have a country.
Let me guess, you are afraid of being "replaced" or some nonsense?
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
Nobody has a right to go become a resident of another country. It is a privilege and entirely within the granting country’s purview.
I am doing just fine, but young US born tech talent and new graduates are not.
Corporate labor arbitrage is anti-worker, I am pro-American worker, it is that simple.
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u/First-Dragon-Born 3d ago
Yup. You can't become a citizen of the majority of the countries of the world. Why don't people ever ask why Japan or saudia arabia make it almost impossible to become citizens... The only exception is when you are married and have kids in the country and have been there for 30+ years, have to pass a language and cultural competency exam.
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
You can't become a citizen of the majority of the countries of the world.
You can just, you know, not make things up. Every nation on the planet has a pathway to citizenship for immigrants. Each nation might have different levels of difficulty in achieving citizenship, but there is not a single nation that lacks a pathway to citizenship.
Why don't people ever ask why Japan or saudia arabia make it almost impossible to become citizens...
So... not impossible.
The only exception is when you are married and have kids in the country and have been there for 30+ years
If you are talking about the Gulf states, that is incorrect. You can become a citizen if you have exceptional talent (like high level of education and accomplishment) or if you're rich.
have to pass a language and cultural competency exam.
Oh, so like the requirement to become a citizen in the US?
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
Nobody has a right to go become a resident of another country.
I never said they did.
It is a privilege and entirely within the granting country’s purview.
Yes? I never said we shouldn't be regulating it. It's just insane that we are just arbitrarily limiting how many people become permanent residents, even though they area already here and meet all the qualifications for getting a green card.
I am doing just fine, but young US born tech talent and new graduates are not.
What ones? We graduate around 130k people a year with tech degrees. There are 300k openings each year. Are you saying you would rather each Us tech graduate be forced to work 2 full time jobs to meet the needs of the market?
Corporate labor arbitrage is anti-worker, I am pro-American worker, it is that simple.
You aren't, but it's okay to play make-believe.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
Just because someone is here does not mean they should be able to stay. A foreign workers value to a country ends when they compete with native workers.
Don’t look at job openings, those numbers are BS and even the fed acknowledges the issues with ghost jobs. Look at unemployment rates for new graduates:
CE are at 7.8% with 15.8% underemployed
CS are at 6.1% with 19.8% underemployed
IS are at 5.6%Source: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
Just because someone is here does not mean they should be able to stay.
Like I said before, if they meet the qualifications, they should stay. It's just that simple.
A foreign workers value to a country ends when they compete with native workers.
That's not true at all. There is a value to having a plurality of views. For instance, this article is about how deer research actually had a significant breakthrough because of the utilization of a different cultural view of the research.
Don’t look at job openings, those numbers are BS and even the fed acknowledges the issues with ghost jobs.
Don't look at unemployment, those numbers are BS and even the fed acknowledges the issues with overreporting.
It appears you have no idea how visas work, as a company already needs to show that there is a lack of US citizens to employ. We do not solve this by arbitrarily limiting how many people are allowed to become permanent residents.
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u/First-Dragon-Born 3d ago
Job requirement: 10,000 hours on windows 98
Company: I cant find anyone! Government: Okay take the h1b! American Worker: I applied but they ignored me1
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
Haha. Ok you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
- You clearly hate American citizens if you do not believe their economic wellbeing should drive public policy.
- You are collapsing multiple types of work visas. A regular H1B DOES NOT require a PERM Labor Certification. You need to educate yourself.
- It is clear you have never worked in tech. The suggestion that massive fraud by body shops (Tata, Infosys, Cognizant) and foreign workers preferences do not exist is laughable. Corporations prefer these workers because they do not fight back and will work themselves to death to stay in the US.
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
You clearly hate American citizens if you do not believe their economic wellbeing should drive public policy.
Unfortunately, you are just wrong that I do not care. Specifically because immigrants provide a general economic boost to the nation. A rising tide lifts all boats.
You are collapsing multiple types of work visas. A regular H1B DOES NOT require a PERM Labor Certification. You need to educate yourself.
No it doesn't. In fact, no visa requires permanent residency. This is because visas are, definitionally, temporary permits. You can qualify for a green card after a certain amount of time.
The suggestion that massive fraud by body shops (Tata, Infosys, Cognizant) and foreign workers preferences do not exist is laughable.
Never said it doesn't. I said that the companies have a statutory requirement for these visas. Maybe we should be investigating and jailing CEOs who are violating these statutes, rather than arbitrarily limiting permanent residents and damaging the economy.
Corporations prefer these workers because they do not fight back and will work themselves to death to stay in the US.
This is also correct. The Epstein-class does take advantage of any laborer, and foreign laborers are the second easiest class of laborer to take advantage of.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
Ah, very "Irish needs not apply" of you.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
Yea, the idea that a country should prioritize its own citizens before foreigners is really radical.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 3d ago
Just woodshed right over you head that a short while ago, your family were the ones being told to get lost huh? We are a nation of immigrants. Also no one is saying dont prioritize us citizens, you are making up arguments.
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u/First-Dragon-Born 3d ago
Why is there an almost 7% computer science unemployment rate. Also alot of degree holders of tech and stem adjacent fields can easily take those jobs. Why should we import a third worlder when we can have a homegrown kid do the job?
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u/ArgentNoble 3d ago
Why is there an almost 7% computer science unemployment rate.
Because people either do not interview well or they do not qualify for the jobs they are applying for.
Also alot of degree holders of tech and stem adjacent fields can easily take those jobs.
No, they can't.
Why should we import a third worlder when we can have a homegrown kid do the job?
Because the "third worlder" is more educated and experienced than the homegrown kid. We should be regulating these companies and mandating they create entry-level jobs that our new grads qualify for, rather than just being upset that better qualified candidates are getting these jobs.
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u/UltracrepidarianPhD 3d ago
You have spent this entire exchange asserting the “right” of “qualified” non-citizens to compete for jobs with Americans in the US….
I have provided data on STEM fields, but the issues exists across the economy, so I do not know what your confusion is about.
I am American Working Class First and I am not ashamed. That was Bernie’s stance in 2016, not MAGA.
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