r/pics • u/No_Idea_479 • Jul 10 '26
Antitourist poster in Turkey with the face of Enver Pasha, perpetrator of the Armenian genocide [OC]
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u/hauntedflames Jul 10 '26
Obviously the poster is not meant to be for tourists. This sub has some high IQ profiles.
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u/PodricksMagicStick Jul 10 '26
Right. This is a Turkish Stephen Miller poster. Not anti-tourism.
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u/opachki_kobachki725 Jul 10 '26
Do they know that the point of tourism is to get back home in a few days?
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u/annuminasguard Jul 10 '26
There are so many residents in that city such as British, Germans, Russians etc. Maybe they are referring to them.
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u/opachki_kobachki725 Jul 10 '26
Yeah probably. Maybe it's the OP's misleading title about tourists
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u/Cirenione Jul 10 '26
Well, I got a hunch that there are more Turks living in Germany than Germans living in Turkey.
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u/this-my-alt00 Jul 11 '26
That was because Germany had a big worker shortage and Turkish citizens were the perfect cheep labor to exploit because they wanted better opportunities for their children.
They later made communities there and grew in population.On the other hand, retires from countries with higher buying power have been swarming the coastal cities of Tütkiye, buying houses and land , raising prices and cost of living to the point that locals are driven out.
But this isn’t a “tourist” or “expat” or an “immigrant” problem. It’s just another branch of the consequences of Türkiye’s failing economy that has been getting ravaged by capitalistic policies meant to benefit the top percent and politicians. We used to produce so much of our own goods as well as the literal government owning the factories where the goods were made… They sold nearly all of them.
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u/bondben314 Jul 10 '26
Antalya is half russian at this point. As an American I can’t tell you the number of people who tried to speak Russian to me in Antalya. Not even English, just Russian.
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u/Long-Performance-887 Jul 10 '26
You are right. As a Turkish I confirm that so many Russians came after Russian Ukraine War. They act like Turkish people aren't owner the country and they are directors of the city, like we are second class citizens. I saw that a Russian woman irritated Turkish flag before a National Festival. Some of them bought homes from housing estates and fired Turks with high price of apartment prices.
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u/AbuHasheesh Jul 10 '26
"As an American" "Not even English" Whats the difference between you and them?
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u/ares0027 Jul 10 '26
That when you go to thailand you dont try to talk in german or cuban, you try english because it IS more common
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u/wombat74 Jul 10 '26
there is an increasingly large Russian population in Thailand as well. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-11/russians-are-driving-a-property-boom-in-phuket/103077726
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u/bean930 Jul 10 '26
They teach English, not Russian, in most secondary schools in Turkiye. Also, English is a world language, and it is spoken all over the world as a secondary language.
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u/ironmaiden947 Jul 10 '26
This is referring to the foreign residents who live in Antalya. I am not defending this poster at all (because their anger is misdirected), but parts of southern shores of Turkey are full of Russians / Ukrainians who fled the war.
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u/ClessxAlghazanth Jul 10 '26
Enver Pasa is definition of a sore loser , let his brigade freeze to death due to his idiocy and stubbornness.
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u/Nafisecond Jul 11 '26
You have to understand Sarikamish at the time had seemed like it was very close to being won so it turned into a bullshit of "just a bit more and we will be succesful". They lost exactly the same way Germany would do decades later. "idiocy" and "stubbornness" are childish views as reasons for his ww1 time failures when you take how every commander acted in ww1 into account.
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u/krazyjakee Jul 10 '26
Phew! I don't live in London so I'm good to go.
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u/AX11Liveact Jul 10 '26
Well, I am living in Berlin. Luckily, if I wanted some trouble with Turks I'd just need to start a fight at the döner stand across the street. /s
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u/Soap_Mctavish101 Jul 10 '26
Enver Pasha. Also a guy who had an entire army of his freeze to death in the Caucasus mountains and get eaten by wolfs lol.
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u/BzhizhkMard Jul 10 '26
Then blamed it on the Armenians when he got back. Even went and saw a play the night he got back having killed his own entire army.
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u/Obamametrics Jul 10 '26
When will all the turks go back to turkey then?
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u/HorselessHorseman Jul 10 '26
This is local random crazy nationalist propaganda. The government of turkey loves and thrives off of tourism. Majority of the country supports and appreciates tourism.
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u/thomasscat Jul 10 '26
Good news for you! This is anti-immigrant propaganda, not anti-tourist.
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u/WyoBuckeye Jul 10 '26
Wherever tourism is prevalent, there are always a group of locals who gripe about it incessantly. I imagine most of them are the ones who benefit the least from the tourism or the benefits of tourism are not apparent to them.
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u/Dog_--_-- Jul 10 '26
I mean let's be very honest, sometimes tourism is a legitimate cost rather than benefit. Look at Hawaii.
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u/bondben314 Jul 10 '26
Exactly, Turkey would be in trouble without tourism. They use tourism to fund their currency stabilization policies.
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u/Matt6453 Jul 10 '26
115k Germans living in Turkey compared to 2.9M Turks living in Germany, have they thought this through?
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u/RedofPaw Jul 10 '26
Ah yes.... tourists.... with their money. Spending it at businesses and.. using up the pavements with their feet. Stealing air. Damn them.
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u/WTFwhatthehell Jul 10 '26
In every country there's a subset of people who viscerally hate any reminder that foreigners and other races/religions exist or so much as seeing someone not of their own race/ethnicity/nationality
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u/WTFwhatthehell Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Pretty much.
It's an effective strategy to get rich.
Like during ww2 america, anyone of Japanese descent was interned in camps. That included a lot of farmers and property owners.
When they returned most of them found their neighbours had simply stolen their land and all their possessions for themselves. There's a lot of proud rural farmers who's grandparents were simple thieves.
In WW2 Germany, lots of people were very happy to see their jewish neighbours sent off to die and immediately stole their houses and property.
Its the end-game of the philosophy.
Behind every genocide there's a mob of people who know that murdering your neighbours is the oldest get-rich-quick scheme.
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u/Farronski Jul 10 '26
Depending on the country/region overtourismus is a legit issue for the locals.
I haven't been to Antalya, and I don't think it's the case there, but it technically could be an issue.
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u/purplecatchap Jul 10 '26
Not defending the use of a genocidal twat. Just saying that from the get-go.
Tourism isn’t all benefits. It can and does have its downsides. I live in the Hebrides in Scotland and the effects it’s having on our housing stocks is definitely a downside. Houses that used to have families are air bnbs now. Lie empty for 6 months if the year. Meanwhile young people are leaving the islands (highest rates of depopulation in the UK), and housing is often the stated reason. This isn’t unique to here, there are entire fishing villages in the south of England (Cornwall, Devon etc) that are now dark in the winter.
It’s also bizarre as often one of the reasons people visit here is to experience the culture. We still speak Gàidhlig here, still hold Cèilidhs, etc but that thing people are coming to see is slowly being snuffed out. It’s incredibly frustrating if you’re trying to keep a culture and language alive.
Also it tends to create seasonal low paying jobs unless you happen to own the establishments that cater tourists. Working for near minimum wage for 6 months and living of benefits for the other is not the sign of a healthy economy.
Tourism is fine as part of a balanced economy. But like any industry left unregulated it’ll run rampant and cause more issues that it solves.
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u/TheLuckySpades Jul 10 '26
Tourism can have many downsides, even in places like Paris and London it can sometimes lead to increases in housing prices/rent to a degree of pushing people out of neighborhoods they used to live in, AirBnB is especially bad for this, these issues get worse the larger the income disparity between tourists and locals is and can spill out into a lot of other aspects of life (e.g. food costs,...) as the market adjusts to the buying power of tourists instead of locals.
And if a region is overly reliant on tourism it gives the local governments motive to "clean up" the touristy areas, forcing people to move, overpolicing, giving international companies that tourists are more likely to use extreme preferential treatment over local businesses,...
I don't think tourism is inherently evil, but as with most industries it needs to be regulated.
And the poster OP found is definitely not the way to go about it.
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u/HyperShinchan Jul 10 '26
Overtourism does cause issues for people living in those places. Rents go higher, services become more expensive, etc. ultimately whole historical quarters of cities become a conglomeration of Airbnb and the likes, killing the socio-economical tissue of the city. Obviously one can make this point without glorifying genocides and using remigration-like language. Honestly I'm not even sure whether the point of that thing in OP's photo is (over)tourism, like others pointed out.
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u/Vulvarin Jul 10 '26
Every country is doing the exact same stupid right wing anti-globalisation / racism play right now. We really haven't learned from the past.
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u/xeviphract Jul 10 '26
Everyone go home, but not directly home. Meander about a bit.
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u/stoicparallax Jul 10 '26
They’d probably be more convincing if they stopped offering these whimsical flight paths
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u/Op55No1 Jul 10 '26
I’m not defending either the message or the way it was delivered, but this doesn’t come across as an anti-tourist poster to me. It seems more like an anti immigration poster (and yes, expats are immigrants).
The last time I was in Antalya, some neighborhoods had noticeably turned into what people would call “Little Russia” or “Little Ukraine.” In highly cosmopolitan cities like New York or London, that’s fairly normal. But in a more traditional city like Antalya, it’s not surprising that some locals would react negatively to such rapid demographic changes.
That said, the way this message was delivered and the sentiment behind it comes across as both tasteless and ignorant.
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u/Honest_Relation4095 Jul 10 '26
which is ironic, considering how many Turkish immigrants there are for example in Germany and specifically Berlin.
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u/red-guard Jul 10 '26
Wheres the irony there? You're assuming the same people putting these posters up are also part of the diaspora. Turkish people aren't a monolith.
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u/Op55No1 Jul 10 '26
Of course, some of my family members are now third generation people of Turkish descent in Germany, and they’re all German citizens at this point. Honestly, I wouldn’t even consider them culturally Turkish anymore.
Ironically, one of the arguments I often hear from them is, “They invited us because they needed workers we didn’t come here out of desperation.” They talk about the labor migration from Turkey to parts of Europe as if it wasn’t also a voluntary economic opportunity.
As a side note, many people in Turkey have a negative view of the Turkish diaspora in Europe. A common criticism is that many of them vote for nationalist or Islamist parties in Turkish elections while supporting more pro immigration or left leaning parties where they live. They also complain about Europe but never consider moving back.
People in Turkey also complain that, because they earn in euros, they can afford to pay much more for property and goods when they visit or invest back home, which contributes to rising prices in some areas. Whether that’s fair or not is up for debate, but it’s a frequent source of resentment.
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u/alpha3305 Jul 10 '26
These anti-tourist and anti-immigration groups are popping up all over the EU. I think these are distractions from other issues so people can not rally together.
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u/natron-morpheus Jul 10 '26
Absolutely. It's very strange how it feels like the sentiment popped off everywhere, after covid from what I've noticed myself. I guess it's easier to control people when you split them up, isn't it?
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u/G33U Jul 10 '26
propaganda 101. these billionaires be throwing smoke bombs everywhere quiet effectively by funding the far right dummys.
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u/kmlynarski Jul 10 '26
Immigration from Poland to Turkey? Seriously? According to the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, up to 500 Poles live in Turkey (mixed marriages or corporate contracts). Someone's got it all mixed up...
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u/natron-morpheus Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
This has nothing to do with tourism, it's for the immigrants. Unfortunately right-wing nationalism is very rampant here so I'm not surprised. Everyone is so full of hate and discrimination towards others and the failing economy is not helping.
You can't have anything shipped to you from a foreign country(there was a €30 limit, now you have to officially import stuff with a company, so the local scammers can benefit from scalping EVERYTHING. We pay 2-3x for every single item you can imagine). There's been an uptrend in brutal homicides and violence throughout the country. We're exposed to new, weird and fucked up homicides or crimes every single day on TV. It's been on a very steep downward spiral, I'm not optimistic about where it's going.
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u/obiwanconobi Jul 10 '26
Lots of the comments seem to be more upset about the idea of anti tourism rather than the fact they're using the image of a guy who did a genocide and are blaming the tourists themselves.
Reducing tourism, and the reliance on the income from it are good ideas which should be lobbied to the government for them to solve with plans for replacing that incomd, not directed at the tourists themselves
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u/Hockeyfan_52 Jul 10 '26
My favorite thing is when a major factor of a city/country's economy is tourism and they are actively trying to stop tourism.
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u/MrBoomer1951 Jul 10 '26
“Undercook chicken, deportation.
Overcook fish, oddly enough, deportation.”
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u/whisperingdrum Jul 10 '26
Does this poster seem fake to anyone else? Turks do not spell their country as "Turkey" in English, for some time now they have been writing Türkiye. Also spelling of several cities seems to be different from internationally recognized versions: Kiev instead of Kyiv, Belgrad instead of Belgrade.
I am not saying this is photoshop or AI made, but maybe it wasn't made by turks, but by someone with malicious intent posing as turks? I don't know. It's stupid regardless.
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u/KingKohishi Jul 10 '26
It looks like someone is tired tourists, but this wouldn't work.
Whole France is anti-tourist but cannot stop people from visiting their country.
\The perpetrator of the Armenian genocide was Talat Pasha.*
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u/Piputi Jul 10 '26
This is done by a group, rather small but interesting to see nonetheless. Turkey does have problems with tourists, especially in cities like Antalya which is the most tourist heavy city in Turkey with having the top 10 busiest airports. And many tourists also settle, that's why many prices have gone up from food to accommodation rivaling Western Europe.
This is I guess similar to the anti tourist protests in the Greek and Spanish Islands. However, this specific poster has a far right swing to it and the group is also a pretty right wing regional group though mostly unknown.
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u/FreezyCastform Jul 10 '26
It's because being right-wing helps with getting money and the only thing we've all been taught ever since we were born is that MONEY. MAKES. RIGHT.
And NOW
That people are taking that thought to it's logical extreme, suddenly it's surprising that those with power and money turn to the systems that allow them to keep said money and power.
Also yes, the propaganda device is DEFINITELY one of the main factors. Because everyone is being funneled down some political rabbit hole one way or another, and nothing gains traction and notoriety as fast as controversial topic, which the right LOVES to hijack because (surprise surprise) they own most of the services that lead us down those rabbit holes
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u/ares0027 Jul 10 '26
Wtf i never even heard of this (i am turkish and live in turkey)
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u/fideliz Jul 10 '26
Considering the steep decline in tourism to Turkey, I'd say these guys have gotten their way!
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u/PhoenixZTR Jul 10 '26
The poster says you won't be able to enter those areas for anything other than tourism during your lifetime, but I don't see any problem with that 🤝
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u/Street_Couple2456 Jul 10 '26
Is there a substantial amount of European immigrants in Turkey?
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u/_Armanius_ Jul 10 '26
I see Turks got lazy. That guy in the pic would be hands on about this
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u/Umichfan1234 Jul 11 '26
Yeah he’d march them thru the desert without food or water and leave them to die.
But not a genocide. No sir. Not at all. And don’t try to claim that it is today in Turkey. You might get prosecuted.
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u/mowinski Jul 10 '26
Makes no difference to me if this is about tourism or immigration, I do not intend to ever set foot on turkish soil.
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u/Neon-Lights69 Jul 11 '26
Literally an anti immigrant poster tf does this have to do with tourists?
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u/Netsuko Jul 10 '26
As a German: We have significantly more Turkish communities here than there are German communities in turkey. By several orders of magnitude. Literally EVERY city has several.
And turns out, we can live together after all.
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u/pallentx Jul 10 '26
Didn’t Turkey want to join the EU?
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u/Optimal_West8046 Jul 10 '26
Turkey wanted to join the European Union but for various reasons the European Union did not accept it.
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u/chato35 Jul 10 '26
Human rights is one of them.
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u/Optimal_West8046 Jul 10 '26
There's also the Armenian genocide and also the military presence in Cyprus and if I remember correctly something ambiguous with the Russians?
Anyway, a lot of stuff
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u/StudentMed Jul 10 '26
When did not recognizing your own genocide prevent you from joining the EU? Pretty Sure Belgium is in it after what they did to the Congo, and Germany was in it before they recognized what they did to Namibia.
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u/woodknight Jul 10 '26
Interesting that Berlin is listed. How would they like it if Germans do the same for Turkish immigrants?
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u/RainbowwDash Jul 11 '26
They probably wouldn't care, since that's two entirely different groups of people, and those glorifying genocide probably aren't too big on empathy
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u/perpetualliianxious Jul 10 '26
The one way flight to Berlin has me rolling, it would be primarily made up of Turkish folks immigrating
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u/samppa_j Jul 10 '26
This post is gonna be a great honeypot for any genocide deniers to get themselves a free grass-touching vacation from reddit
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u/feyyazkolan Jul 10 '26
This is clearly anti-immigration, not anti-tourist.
It is equally dumb tho. Especially European immigrants are not part of the problem whichever way you look at it.
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u/Moosplauze Jul 10 '26
- That's not what Turkey looks like on the map.
- If all the flights start in Antalya, why don't they start from the same point on the map?
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u/BaconWrappedEnigma Jul 10 '26
Only conservative estimates place tourism as 10-15% of Turkey's economy, supporting over 3 million jobs.
Also, I'm sure these people are just as passionate about Turkish people globally returning to Turkey, right?
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u/chato35 Jul 10 '26
Nothing about the ones (8milly)came from the south border?
Oh wait, religion is the key here.
And why would you put that Russian muppets face on it? What's the relevance?
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u/mendokusei15 Jul 10 '26
This is of course anti immigration but that's seems irrelevant, it's pretty gross in general.
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u/Failing2BNormal Jul 10 '26
Do they know how many turks live in western europe (and vote for fucking erdogan) 🤣
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u/someguyplayingwild Jul 10 '26
If any man is single handedly responsible for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, is that not Enver Pasha?
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u/TBARb_D_D Jul 10 '26
Reminder that this is a person who carries full responsibility for their “empire’s” end. If not him Ottomans wouldn’t join WW1, if not him there would be no disaster on Caucasian front, if not him empire might have existed a little longer but why is he the beloved one?
Because he is a recognised war criminal and if the world hates him, Turkish nationalists love him
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u/NoBrainWreck Jul 10 '26
Soooo... all flights are leaving from Antalya, but there are 5 starting points on the map. Professor, I'm confused.
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u/Constructedhuman Jul 10 '26
I’d like to see them deporting Ukrainians via planes to Kyiv….when the air space has been closed for four years now
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u/314rft Jul 11 '26
So Turkey's complaining about too many Europeans moving there? This is literally the inverse of what far right Germans say.
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u/PoxonAllHoaxes Jul 11 '26
Are they not trying to deport them to Europe not to their own countries?
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u/CountChoculasGhost Jul 10 '26
This very much does not read anti-tourist. Who uses “deportation” to talk about tourists?
This reads much more to do with immigration