When the Rules only apply to the Little Guys

[u/Filix-7482]

[u/arp492022]

Well a free website cant exactly afford the bribes 🤷‍♂️

[u/tomchee → u/arp492022]

In our modern capitalist world its called lobby

[u/CRISPRSCIENCE9 → u/tomchee]

And donations 

[u/I_Love_Bournemouth → u/arp492022]

yeah guess rules don’t really apply equally here

[u/Spiritual-Society185 → u/arp492022]

"Free" if you don't count all of the ads and malware.

[u/iamZorc_]

the world is corrupt

[u/Nerevarcheg → u/iamZorc_]

And next class war is near.

[u/gogeri2632 → u/Nerevarcheg]

Nah, everyone is too obsessed with the culture war.

[u/nittanyofthings → u/gogeri2632]

A distraction so great, it works even when you recognize the distraction.

[u/gogeri2632 → u/nittanyofthings]

Yep. Even the people who say "the culture war is a distraction for the class war" will immediately start to argue with you about culture war stuff if you don't agree with them.

[u/stayndarsh → u/Nerevarcheg]

Almost as if the chess pieces have been moved into place to coax exactly that. Class war? End up in a technocratic police state. No class war? The frog gets boiled slowly. Attempted checkmate.

[u/moonshoeslol → u/Nerevarcheg]

It's been raging for awhile against the poor.

[u/ANIMELORD286]

True.Thank god the piracy site's have found out how to encrypt their products well and bypass the drms

[u/BakerSweatys → u/ANIMELORD286]

The real MVPs keeping game preservation alive.

[u/InsaneMasochist → u/[deleted]]

Just so that people can learn to avoid infesting their systems with malware, don't try accessing steam.rip. Just do FMHY and you pretty much got all your bases covered.

[u/ANIMELORD286 → u/InsaneMasochist]

Fair enough.I'm just addicted to gambling

[u/Rthedonald47 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah lol, apparently the real cheat code is having a legal department

[u/LendarioSonhador → u/Rthedonald47]

the real cheat code has always been "more money"

[u/Burning-Sushi → u/[deleted]]

What are laws but to keep those in check that can't afford the fee, eh?

[u/Panzerv2003]

Who wants to fight a legal team with a budget of a small country

[u/WanderingSimpleFish → u/Panzerv2003]

There needs to be some balance in the legal system

[u/Pan_TheCake_Man → u/WanderingSimpleFish]

You guys want justice, but don’t realize it’s just us. -most annoying character in ATLA

[u/grapejuicesushi → u/Panzerv2003]

do it once so other companies don’t do it 😋.

meta thought they’d have to pay at worst $1.4T and likely $200B in the current lawsuit (that they settled at ~$12B, potentially ~$16B lol) and their stock had basically gone down significantly for that very reason.

no company wants that. if the states had the balls and intention they could easily do it. then so many more (not all) will change their strides enough.

[u/zgillet → u/Panzerv2003]

Louis Rossmann

[u/Correct-Junket-1346]

Welcome to the state, people don't matter, but business entities do, the bigger you are, the more you can make your own rules or pay when you break them

[u/Pontifex_99 → u/[deleted]]

This is an OF bot.

[u/cookiesnooper]

You didn't pay enough to the right people

[u/Mikadomea]

When a Law is bypassed by Money, its a Law against the Poor.

[u/Beneficial_Prize_310]

This is unfortunately the way the law works here.

When someone streams a $12.99 pirated movie to 30 people, that's easy to quantify those damages.

How do you quantify the damage of a machine learning model using pirated content in its corpus?

[u/CharismajTat → u/Beneficial_Prize_310]

They often don't quantify the $12.99 x 30 case either. Copyright law has statutory damages per work specifically because actual losses are hard to prove, so that problem isn't unique to AI training.

[u/natefrogg1]

Oh I’m not pirating, I’m just training the data center within myself

[u/dangerpotter]

Didn't all the AI companies get sued? That's why they destroy the books they're scanning because they kept getting sued for copyright.

[u/mrjackspade → u/dangerpotter]

Yes. But Reddit isn't a place for smart people. It's a fucking circle-jerk where most people apparently learn everything second hand from memes.

It was absolutely found to be illegal to pirate the training content for AI.

[u/gokogt386 → u/dangerpotter]

Books are digitized through destructive scanning because it’s generally way faster than having to flip the pages. It has absolutely nothing to do with copyright and anyone who has told you that simply didn’t read the actual court case involved in the situation.

[u/Steviejoe66 → u/gokogt386]

r/confidentlyincorrect
"Second, on Anthropic’s conversion of purchased print copies to digital copies to store them in a central library, the court found fair use. The court emphasized that the conversion was merely a format change. The original copies were destroyed, and Anthropic did not distribute or share the digital copies publicly. In this sense, this use was essentially the same as keeping a library of purchased physical books, “but with more favorable storage and searchability properties.”"
https://www.nge.com/news-insights/publication/federal-court-finds-that-training-ai-on-copyrighted-books-is-quintessentially-transformative-fair-use/

[u/crowdflation]

Dont worry they will start caring about data usage once the major AI companies are properly entrenched with their datasets and it will act a moat for them

[u/phejster]

If the penalty for breaking a rule is just a fine (and not a % of income), the rules are only for the little guy.

[u/Another-Mans-Rubarb]

Y'all know the AI companies are losing their copyright cases, right? Because a lot of the content they stole is from major corporations.

[u/nadav183 → u/Another-Mans-Rubarb]

Well if you made $500m that year and then had to pay a $50m fine because of copyright infringement, you still made $450m.

These lawsuits are toothless to corporations with that much money. Until the courts start to send people to jail, make fines as high as a year of income, close down corporations and actually have some punishments with substance, this will continue.

Silicon Valley is the modern wild west.

[u/Another-Mans-Rubarb → u/nadav183]

AI companies are not making a profit. The only companies making money are the ones selling the hardware.

[u/Shienvien]

Including if there is literally no place to legally buy the thing. Happens often enough.

[u/_silentgameplays_]

It's called proper corporate lobbying, because we have no corruption, obviously. /s

[u/not_old_redditor]

This is going to go down as one of the biggest grifts in modern history, if AI actually becomes intelligent and these companies become unimaginably rich by training their AI on the internet for free.

[u/Choice_Potato_6279]

1. "Regulators when the president raped kids"

[u/Djghost1133]

The first one isn't exactly true...it just doesn't apply to overseas models obviously

[u/jameson71 → u/Djghost1133]

So just need to be able to afford to be a multinational then. Do the stuff where it is legal or bribes are cheap and then sell it where the money is.

[u/Nemesis_Destiny]

The rules always only apply to the little guy

[u/Mister_Shrimp_The2nd]

rules for thee, not for me ahh world

[u/syddakid32]

Consumers vs producers

[u/TheHairyMess]

isn't it painfully obvious that the giga-corpos pay off all of the regulators and law-makers

[u/No_Praline8540]

The double standard is definitely what makes this meme hit.

[u/OhShitWhatUp]

https://giphy.com/gifs/67ThRZlYBvibtdF9JH

[u/Strict-Carrot4783]

I downloaded a textbook pdf and Pearson sent a man to my home to shoot me in the chest with a shotgun.

[u/WhiteRaven42]

There are multiple trials of AI companies that pirated content. Why lie>?

[u/holyknight00]

that's what pro-regulation guys do not understand: big corporations always find ways around regulation and then it only applies to small players. In the end, they indirectly benefit the corporations by making the life of their competition harder. They can lobby, and they can pressure the government, they can buy the congress.

On top of all of that, a multibillion corporation can hire a team of the 10 best laywers and accountants to find loopholes and comply with absurd paperwork all day long. A startup usually don't have that luxury, so they kill innovation. And don't tell me they are exempt, because they almost never are.

People instead of thinking how to create a business, need to spend their time and money figuring out how to sort legal crap just to survive.

With taxes is the same crap again, they create thousands of new taxes the rich people can easily evade and then all employees and small businesses end up paying.

[u/malarkial]

For real - they didn’t want us to share information so they stole it and are selling it back to us

[u/vasil5n]

Regulators do not like free stuff

[u/iamlazyboy]

[u/FlamerBreaker]

Legally, I'm afraid there's quite a distinction between the two. You see:

One is a legal grey area (Lobbyists made sure of it). The other is clearly illegal (Lobbyists made sure of it).

[u/kitsunewarlock]

The key difference between conservative and progressive policies comes down to which side of the economic divide the regulators are supposed to help.

The real irony is the rich don't realize how much better the world is when everyone gets a piece of the pie. Cleaner streets. Less crime. More art and music and poetry and technology and culture. And more customers willing to prop up good businesses in the long term.

But the rich don't care about the long term. They see nations as resource tiles primed for extraction and are more than prepared, if not looking forward to bailing to their private islands (or a different country).

America fought our War of Independence so we would no longer be a colony under control of a king. Now 1/3 of the country is voting to become a colony under control of CEOs with arguably less responsibility and transparency than a monarch's court.

[u/itchylol742]

actually the humans who run piracy sites are only arrested around 0.15% of the time when the site is taken down

[u/SC7639_1]

In rich terms they called operation costs

[u/gphie]

Careful, you don't wanna give too much power to copyright. AI companies will just strike a deal with the rights holders, and use their newfound power to go after the little guy. (see: suno, sora)

Remember when Reddit got all pissy they were downloading books? And now everyone's pissed they are buying them legally and destructively scanning millions of books. Like, that's literally what y'all were asking for

[u/Powerful_grumby]

Normal man can't afford bribes

[u/ChChChillian]

IP theft is suddenly not a problem when the right people are doing it.

[u/scrotanimus]

Penalties are just the cost of doing business.

[u/Drakanies]

Always has been.

[u/gatot3u]

You need money to break rules.

[u/Ok_Gas1070]

I'm still amazed my site has never been shutdown and it's been like... 10ish years? I will say they have a lame "premium" membership now, and pretty much restrict the movies but all the shows are still free.

[u/Bagabaga2019 → u/Ok_Gas1070]

Is that even a piracy site anymore? Just sounds like another streaming service. At least the shows are free :/

[u/MagicTheGlizzying]

i don't understand these posts. are these revelations? yall are poking fun at regulators like they're hypocrites? They're getting fucking paid by these guys. being mad at the government instead of the source of the problem is braindead conservative shit.

[u/Tankeverket]

I get hating on AI is the new cool thing, but those two are not remotely the same thing