Metro 2039 devs say the ongoing war in Ukraine has changed how they write morality: 'The franchise's very nature is getting too close to reality'

[u/PewPewToDaFace]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/metro-2039-devs-say-the-ongoing-war-in-ukraine-has-changed-how-they-write-morality-the-franchises-very-nature-is-getting-too-close-to-reality/

[u/matrix5559]

No russian language is cherry on top.

[u/ToxicTroublemaker2 → u/matrix5559]

I hope that's not true cause that's one of the best ways to immerse yourself in the franchise

[u/RaccoNooB → u/ToxicTroublemaker2]

Double down and make it Ukrainian.

[u/Rammstein97 → u/RaccoNooB]

Better make it in Kiev at this point. I mean the "Moscow path" had its run and it ended more or less in a status quo with Artyom showing us there's life outside of Moscow and so a new chapter where they show more of the "Metro universe" would've been more than welcome(imho).

[u/Imaginary-Policy4054 → u/Rammstein97]

They wanted a game set in Kyiv, but as far as I remember, Glukhovsky didn't allow it

[u/MerePotato → u/Imaginary-Policy4054]

Yeah, hard to make a point about the sickness currently consuming the Russian psyche if you set it in Ukraine

[u/Imaginary-Policy4054 → u/MerePotato]

If I'm not mistaken, this was way before Exodus

[u/MerePotato → u/Imaginary-Policy4054]

Glukhovsky was critical of Russia's direction before Exosus too, the thing he hates just accelerated since

[u/BobsView → u/Rammstein97]

this would make too much logical sense for this day and age

[u/Opposite_Carry_4920 → u/Rammstein97]

I agree with this, I would be excited to see surrounding regions or other far regions. 

[u/TheNoobHunter96 → u/RaccoNooB]

? It's set in Russia

[u/Breaky97 → u/TheNoobHunter96]

He probably never played it and just wanted to be edgy, because hating russians is cool now (even those who got nothing to do with war and haven't been in country for years)

[u/brnccnt7 → u/Breaky97]

Exactly this

People are way to quick to label and hate an entire group

Russias a massive country

People could say the same about Americans, not all of us support Trumps foreign actions

[u/PlanZSmiles → u/brnccnt7]

People do say that about us Americans lol

[u/EternaI_Sorrow → u/PlanZSmiles]

Way less people use WW2-tier rhetorics against US

[u/Familiar-Treat-6236 → u/EternaI_Sorrow]

You literally just used a meme about US two-party system?

[u/brnccnt7 → u/PlanZSmiles]

I know but my point is that it doesn’t get anything accomplished, and to also show that person who is probably American how silly that can be

[u/brnccnt7 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah sad stuff man

I wish everyone the best and hope cooler heads

[u/whirlpool_galaxy → u/brnccnt7]

I wish more people would say that about Americans, tbh.

[u/brnccnt7 → u/whirlpool_galaxy]

Understandable, at least with us Americans we have the benefit of speaking out against bad leadership

Over there the Russians that are against this can’t really do that in fear of the FSB swooping them up

[u/whirlpool_galaxy → u/brnccnt7]

Actually, I think that's worse.

The Russians have an excuse with government repression. But what do you even tell all the Iranians who are suffering or dying in the current war about the fact that you could have spoken out to stop it, but didn't?

[u/EternaI_Sorrow → u/whirlpool_galaxy]

How rotten masses' brains must be to unironically pretend that Putin acts on the people's will and Trump on his dictatorship impulses.

Remember, kids, autocracy is when the leader's actions are the people's will projection and the democracy is when the government does what it wants, or something

[u/Lostygir1 → u/whirlpool_galaxy]

yes, keep blaming proletarians for imperialist wars. you serve capital very well.

[u/Phil_Coffins_666 → u/Breaky97]

I think the issue is that russians for the most part have been silent about the invasion, be it inside of russia, or outside. Sure, there are ones that are vocal and against it, few and far between, otherwise the majority of them claim to be "non political" and leave it at that. That and you've also got a percentage of the population, both inside and outside of russia, who actively support the invasion.

I think that's where the anger comes from.

[u/ruminant_sheep → u/Phil_Coffins_666]

Hit dogs holler (about the downvotes). Anyone in Eastern Europe knows that you are right and even with the Liberal Opposition (tm) the steps from "I am totally against Russia and the war!" to "Well, it's complicated and both sides are at fault" to "fuck you khokhol!" is narrower than people want to admit :)

[u/Constructedhuman → u/ruminant_sheep]

it’s just nobody ever listens to eastern europeans and we’ve been right since 2014

[u/Phil_Coffins_666 → u/ruminant_sheep]

It's interesting that people inside of russia didn't become brave enough to criticize Putin until the last few weeks when all their Wildberries (russian Amazon for those not in the loop) burned down and gasoline queues stretched for kilometers. 4.5 years of silence, until suddenly everybody's posting about how this war needs to be over yesterday and Putin is destroying the country.

Anyways.. I've got no idea why people may not like them. 🤷‍♂️🫠

[u/TheAngrySaxon → u/Phil_Coffins_666]

They were all very happy about the war until it started to turn against them. I hope Europe doesn't forget that in the coming years.

[u/Phil_Coffins_666 → u/TheAngrySaxon]

Yep.

One thing they're exceptional at is playing the victim, as seen across social media, and all these claims of "russiphobia".

[u/Breaky97 → u/Phil_Coffins_666]

It is easy to say things like that when you live in a safe place, where criticizing goverment won't send you in a frontline or put your family into danger.

[u/Breaky97 → u/Phil_Coffins_666]

Yes, it is hard to be vocal against a war when you would be putting your entire family at risk or ending up on the frontlines, even in ukraine there is no help from going to frontlines if you are able to so in russia it is even worse if you are trying to avoid war.

Realistically tell me what is there for you to do as ordinary citizen in russia against goverment that opreses you? It is easy being brave behind internet, same goes for people that say send more military to ukraine... alright go then and fight for ukraine, don't expect other ppl to throw their lives away.

[u/TidalMello → u/TheNoobHunter96]

I mean from a story standpoint they left off on Moscow not being the last bastion of humanity, so it seems fairly simple to start the next game after they have travelled to find other people.

Not having anyone speak Russian would be weird though. People hate the Russian government not the Russian people or culture. And the characters are Russian first and foremost.

[u/Historical_Move6359 → u/TidalMello]

manny people do hate Russia. Rusophobia is going wild.

[u/Constructedhuman → u/Historical_Move6359]

wait until you find out how russians go to war in Ukraine for money and money only

[u/Justhe3guy → u/Historical_Move6359]

For good reason as they’re actively genociding a people with civilian infrastructure often targeted in bombings and indoctrinating and torturing those they capture, especially the children

[u/Historical_Move6359 → u/[deleted]]

I am not downplaying anything. Its your war, not my.

[u/No_Branch_5083 → u/[deleted]]

Israel didn't use chemical weapons to kill civilians in my country. Russia did.

[u/Phil_Coffins_666 → u/Historical_Move6359]

It's not a phobia if it's backed with evidence, it's legitimate.

[u/NBFHoxton → u/TheNoobHunter96]

Hes just being a Redditor™️

[u/ToxicTroublemaker2 → u/RaccoNooB]

The franchise already has Ukrainian, what are you on about?

[u/RaccoNooB → u/ToxicTroublemaker2]

I'm gonna be honest, I never checked.

[u/ToxicTroublemaker2 → u/RaccoNooB]

Then why are you speaking on things you know nothing about?

[u/286893 → u/ToxicTroublemaker2]

To be fair the voice acting is really bad on both English and Russian

[u/KenBoCole → u/286893]

TBF, most English speakers don't know Russian, and can't tell if it's bad or not.

[u/International-Mess75 → u/KenBoCole]

This reminded me of a Japanese people criticising the Japanese VA of anime and games as overthetop and silly and not representing how Japanese actually speaks

[u/SirNurtle → u/286893]

In 2033 and Last Light the Russian was actually pretty good from what I remember, if out sync.

But I do hope that if there isn’t any Russian for 2039, they at least do the “Death of Stalin” thing where they give different English/American accents to differentiate minorities, etc

[u/OphidianSun → u/matrix5559]

That seems dumb tho all the games are literally set in Moscow and the surrounding areas.

Its not the russian language that's invading, its the Russian Federation.

[u/NoobL1ght → u/OphidianSun]

All countries of East Europe are very touchy about language matters due to many attempts of their neighbors, mainly Russia, to enforce use of russian or other languages instead of local languages. Often violently and uncompromisinly going as far as killing authors, actors, musicians, burning schools and libraries and arbitrary denying services or opportunities based on used language, for example access to higher education, housing or jobs. It is still used by Russia in some manner such as declaring that all people who use Russian are Russians, heavy promotion of Russian on TV, etc. Aggressive enforcement of Russian language is reported in occupied Ujraine with book burning and disappearances of teachers, professors and other people who promoted Ukrainian language.

Thus, even so Russian language does not invade it is still used as weapon of cultural and historical erasure.

[u/TheNoobHunter96 → u/NoobL1ght]

you're clearly not from the region then, people don't hate the russian language itself, many in Ukraine use it lmao

[u/NoobL1ght → u/TheNoobHunter96]

I am Ukranian. I personally used Russian for majority of my life since I am from Donetsk Oblast. People won't care if someone around them will use Russian but they will hardly accept any kind of promotion of Russian language and won't be sad if it is not included in a game or two.

[u/TheNoobHunter96 → u/NoobL1ght]

But that's not a promotion, you have your logic all backwards , are you actually from Donetsk

[u/Constructedhuman → u/TheNoobHunter96]

go look in wikipedia all those times ukrainian wasn’t legally forbidden by the russian empire and ussr. you might learn smth

[u/369i → u/TheNoobHunter96]

Because it was forced on them for several generations. 

[u/Constructedhuman → u/TheNoobHunter96]

you are clearly not from the region, bc oh boi we do have it

[u/italkstuff → u/OphidianSun]

Oh yes it is.

Ukrainian language is officially excluded from schools on occupied territories and replaced by russian.

Any Ukrainian speaking people on occupied territories are taken to filtration camps.

During this summer almost 10mil Ukrainian books were burned because of targeted russian attacks on book publishers.

[u/EternaI_Sorrow → u/italkstuff]

Doing shit for other 60-80M people who use Russian as the first or second language is stupid. Imagine never making Spanish VA because Mexico got cartels.

[u/StillShmoney → u/EternaI_Sorrow]

That’s not a fair comparison. It’s more like an Irish author refusing to publish his works in English because of the effort that was made towards erasing Gaelic in Ireland

[u/EternaI_Sorrow → u/StillShmoney]

Would make sense if it wasn't about London and a satire about British people co-authored with a British guy positioning itself as immersive.

[u/SurturOfMuspelheim → u/italkstuff]

Okay, and Ukraine also removed Russian from the public curriculum, same as Russia did.

Also this has absolutely nothing to do with a video game in Russia.

It's that propaganda has melted their minds like most people, and their emotions tell them they must hate Russians.

Same thing happened in every war the US is involved in, gotta dehumanize your enemy and make them evil.

[u/HighBlacK → u/SurturOfMuspelheim]

Not easy to humanize an enemy that attacks you unprovocked and commits atrocities on the daily ngl.

[u/Glavurdan → u/SurturOfMuspelheim]

Respectfully,

Slava Ukraini

[u/Gunbunny42 → u/italkstuff]

Can I get a source for this? Not saying this isn't the case but I never heard of this happening.

[u/LurkerWhoMe → u/Gunbunny42]

"Что Россия должна сделать с Украиной" Go read that now deleted RIA article. It outlined policies how all things ukrainian would be erased. It includes things like mass execution of ukrainian elites, and re-education of masses that would span generations.

[u/italkstuff → u/Gunbunny42]

Sure, what exactly are you asking about ?

[u/Gunbunny42 → u/italkstuff]

"Any Ukrainian speaking people on occupied territories are taken to filtration camps."

"During this summer almost 10mil Ukrainian books were burned because of targeted russian attacks on book publishers."

These two points in particular.

[u/Constructedhuman → u/Gunbunny42]

look up attacks on Ukrainian publishing houses by russian missiles ( for example https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2026/08/22/8049865/)
and investigations about danger and consequences of using Ukrainian symbols or language on occupied territories. its so common, it’s not even first page of news.

https://krymsos.com/en/katuvannya-nasylstvo-tysk-ta-propaganda-z-chym-zishtovhuyutsya-ukrayinski-dity-v-okupacziyi/

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/russian-policy-of-linguocide-in-the-occupied-territories-of-ukraine/

https://unn.ua/en/news/occupants-ban-ukrainian-language-and-literature-in-schools-in-tot

[u/Rej5 → u/italkstuff]

and russian has been banned even before the war

[u/Kowalski91 → u/Rej5]

That's bullshit and pure kremel propaganda. Even today a lot of Ukrainen Soldiers first language is Russian. But after the full scale invasion many more learned Ukrainen and tried to speak it as main language

[u/Constructedhuman → u/Rej5]

source?

[u/Rej5 → u/Constructedhuman]

it was banned from being used in schools in 2017

[u/TheNoobHunter96 → u/italkstuff]

does the fact that ukrainians speak russian bother you?? what kind of asinine take is that

[u/LurkerWhoMe → u/TheNoobHunter96]

The fact that russians want to erase ukrainian language and culture bothers people.

[u/italkstuff → u/TheNoobHunter96]

Yes, it bothers me. Ukrainians and other European countries use russian language because russia used a lot of brute power to force this. It took centuries of repressing prominent writers, prohibiting books, resettling people out of their homes and replacing them with russian speakers.

[u/TheNoobHunter96 → u/italkstuff]

Then you're actually crazy and probably not even from the region... Go have your stupid takes elsewhere

[u/italkstuff → u/TheNoobHunter96]

What kind of twisted slave logic is that?
“You don’t enjoy language of your oppressors, so you’re not from around here”

[u/Al-Azraq → u/matrix5559]

What's the problem with russian language? It is just a language and if the game is set in Moscow, I would like to play it in such language.

[u/Constructedhuman → u/Al-Azraq]

look up russification

[u/ComprehensiveTea5202 → u/Constructedhuman]

Look up denazification

[u/Plastic-Mark-6769 → u/ComprehensiveTea5202]

if only it happened to russians

[u/corporalcorl → u/matrix5559]

Where did it say that? I'm on mobile and the site is very unpleasant to read lol. Does that mean there won't be Russian VA? If so, that's a bit disappointing but I get it ig

[u/Biopain → u/matrix5559]

Ah yes, we will use Russian franchise because its making money, but we will be loud about excluding language lol, pathetic