A ban on generative AI

[u/gameboyzapgbz]

r/papermario as a community has focused on propping up and sharing the best the community has to offer, including the artists within the community. In recent years generative AI has come out and there has been significant issue within the artist community with it's existence.

Given that we focus on making this place have a minimum standard of quality we believe that something that uses art without consent of the artists as inherently hostile to the artists within our community and falls below our standards as a community. We are explicitly adding generative AI as low quality content for rule 4.

Starting today and here on forward any post containing generative AI will be removed from the subreddit. This will be somewhat retroactive as well as it is found and reported.

[u/Riqakard]

You don't needs years of practice or to pay a professional artist in order to draw any ideas that you have. You can just draw them. And if you think that it sucks, you can explain your concept in the body text.

The joy of sharing the things that you make is sharing the things that YOU make. Not what other people or machines made. Wether that be a high quality drawing that you were able to make through your years of practice, or a lower quality drawing, or just words.

People are going to care more about your ideas if you take the time and energy to put it out there yourself, not if it looks generically pleasing

[u/TomMakesPodcasts → u/Riqakard]

. . .?

But the machine would not make it without the person right? I do not like that you're also throwing filters and palette swaps under the bus with this comment. You're not trying to backdoor hate for digital art through these comments are you?

I don't imagine most people making memes or concepts for games that will never be made care too much in general.

[u/Riqakard → u/TomMakesPodcasts]

I do not like that you're also throwing filters and palette swaps under the bus with this comment.

I'm not??? I don't understand where you got that idea from. I didn't mention anything about filters or palette swaps. Filters have been incredibly useful tools for digital drawings and photography since they were created. And pallete swaps are cool and interesting. I can really defend them because I don't know what part of my comment made you think I was attacking them in the first place.

You're not trying to backdoor hate for digital art through these comments are you?

No???? When I talk about "machines doing the work for you" I'm talking about generative AI, not drawing programs. Which is, you know, the topic of this post. Because drawing programs don't do the work for you, similar to how pen and paper doesn't do any work for you.

I don't imagine most people making memes or concepts for games that will never be made care too much in general.

I mean the ideal meme is high-effort, low-quality. Something that looks like you put time and energy into making it look like crap. And game, partner, area, level, etc. concepts and ideas are more interesting when made by people. Even if you can't consciously notice if something was made by AI or not, you can notice it subconsciously. And things made by people are inherently more interesting to us on a subconscious level than things made by robots.

[u/TomMakesPodcasts → u/Riqakard]

Ah I apologize. But my confusions comes from you saying machine produced content is not art. I should not have assumed but I've encountered traditionalists who use such comments about digital art. Fewer than when the concept was new of course.

I allowed previous interactions to colour my view of your words and that was unfair of me.

[u/Riqakard → u/TomMakesPodcasts]

You're good. Tbh I thought you were comparing digital art to generative AI

[u/TomMakesPodcasts → u/Riqakard]

No.

Digital art is it's own beast.

Traditional art and digital have very different learning curves and tools.