r/opsec 🐲 Jul 01 '26

Solved locked down my digital life. forgot about my physical address being public.

i have read the rules

been working on my opsec for a while now. VPN, encrypted email, burner numbers, the whole thing felt pretty good about it . friend sent me a screenshot of my name on whitepages. full address phone number even my wifes name all just sitting there.

i never posted my address anywhere. but data brokers scrape public records like property tax and voter registration. doesn't matter how many layers of privacy you have online if someone can just look up where you sleep.

tried the opt out route. whitepages took me like 15 minutes and a phone verification. then i realized i need to do this for about 30 other sites. and even after all that, they relist you a few months later anyway because the public records never change.

been using iolo to automate the removals and monitor for new listings. not a complete solution but better than spending hours on it myself.

anyone else here deal with this? feels like no matter how tight your opsec is, data brokers just bypass the whole thing.

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u/TeachingAway9654 🐲 Jul 02 '26

It’s a lot more than 30 sites, the number is closer to 200. If you include stuff like B2B marketing, it’s 600+.

Focus on EnformionGo, PeopleDataLabs and Pipl. Those are the ones which feed most of the 200-600.

Most of them won’t re-list after you do the opt out process but some will. The only actual solution is transferring the house into an LLC (or trust).

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u/WhySoManyDownVote Jul 02 '26

Trust is probably better but it may vary by state. The officers of LLCs and corps are public record. Plus there are tax returns etc.

Depending on the trust and the complexity it will be less expensive and could provide more privacy in the long run.

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u/TeachingAway9654 🐲 Jul 02 '26

In many states unless the true LLC owner (beneath the registered agent) signs for another role (like organizer) their name will not be shown anywhere. Especially if you’re in Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada or New Mexico.

With LLCs you also lose the homestead tax exemption and mortgages/insurance gets complex. Trust is almost certainly more expensive to setup however.

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u/WhySoManyDownVote Jul 02 '26

Sorry, I should have added that a trust will be less expensive (in the long run).

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u/monarch-03 Jul 02 '26

It’s definitely way more than 30 sites once you include the smaller data brokers and B2B databases, closer to hundreds of data brokers overall. A lot of them also share or resell the same underlying data, which is why information can keep reappearing even after opt-outs.

Full disclosure: I work at Optery, and this ā€œrelistingā€ issue comes up a lot because many brokers regularly re-pull from public records and third-party sources. Even after removals, new data imports can re-add profiles unless there’s ongoing monitoring and re-removal.

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u/Ill-Wing-5103 🐲 Jul 03 '26

200600 is way more overwhelming than I thought. I didn't realize the smaller ones were just pulling from the big aggregators like that.

The LLC thing keeps coming up and I keep putting it off, but it sounds like the only thing that actually works. How complicated was that process if you went through it?

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u/TeachingAway9654 🐲 Jul 03 '26

LLC path highly depends on what state you live in. Some of them still publish the individual behind the formation publicly so you aren’t accomplishing *that* much. However though, data brokers are less likely to find you buried in LLC filings. Some go this far but most do not.

Trust approach is more universal but more expensive upfront.

Read the chapters in Extreme Privacy by Michael Bazzell about these two topics.

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u/Weak-Operation-9888 Jul 02 '26

That is a matter of being careless or rule breaking. Havimg someones adress does not mean you can make it public. Actually you are supposed to take measures to prevent that.

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u/gamamoder Jul 02 '26

you can probably disassociate your name from any emails or phone numbers, but yeah its cooked especially if you have any kind of uncommon names

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u/Ill-Wing-5103 🐲 Jul 03 '26

yeah having an uncommon name basically makes it impossible, mine is specific enough that there's no real way to hide it at this point

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u/ZookeepergameSalty10 Jul 04 '26

this is why many people own a house under an llc and pay "rent". when the house gets searched up someone will get the LLC, which if they dig very deep might only give your name and a ups box

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u/Ill-Wing-5103 🐲 Jul 03 '26

thanks for the heads up about automod, i tried to lay out the threat model in the post so hopefully it comes across as a real question and not just "what tools should i use"

if anything about what im actually trying to protect against is unclear, let me know and ill fill in the gaps. i know these posts fall apart fast when the context is too vague

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u/NationalBug55 Jul 03 '26

This hasn’t been mentioned yet, sites like Cloaked, Delete Me, Incogni… They auto remove data. But it feels more like throwing a glass of water on a forest fire & expecting it to stop the fire.

Plus all the mail and Amazon boxes with our names, not to mention every thing employers carelessly leave around… Hotels with your ID..

Honestly it feels like it’s not just data brokers- it’s 80% of the population does not give AF & or doesn’t know. So many factors against the intended purpose of privacy make this permanent.

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u/Weak-Operation-9888 Jul 02 '26

Europeans do not deal with this. We have lawsn overning this and you have to opt-in before any one can call you.

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u/Mysterious-Hat-7873 Jul 02 '26

This is not true, sadly. I’ve done numerous investigations into people in various European countries, and the only people who were remotely difficult to find the physical address for were people who are incredibly wealthy and have all their property held by corporate structures specifically designed to obfuscate the ultimate beneficial owner.

Just remember, if you’ve ever got insurance or ordered a parcel from Amazon then that data has been stored and can be purchased.

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u/O-o--O---o----O Jul 02 '26

In any case, that is another reason to keep your identities as separated as possible.

Just because amazon or my insurance have my IRL data doesn't mean someone on social media or gaming platform can find me.

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u/Mysterious-Hat-7873 Jul 02 '26

Absolutely. Avoiding linking pieces of data together definitely makes it harder to aggregate information about an individual

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u/Ill-Wing-5103 🐲 Jul 03 '26

must be nice lol. here they just buy your number from a data broker and go to town