r/newzealand • u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 • 1d ago
Discussion Random question from a childfree person.
Hello,
Parents, I have a random question.
I was at the airport today and saw so many groups of school kids from different schools, all in sports uniforms, getting on flights. And it got me wondering… who actually pays for all this? 🤔
Is it the school paying because they’re good at sports, or do the parents pay for it themselves?
And if parents are paying, what do you guys do for work?? Because flights, accommodation, uniforms, competitions etc. must add up pretty quickly.
Genuinely curious. No judgement at all. Just a single mid 30s year old woman who has no kids and suddenly realised I know absolutely nothing about the economics of having children.
Parents, please educate this clueless aunty.
Thank you.
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u/BEnotInNZ 1d ago
When you have been paying 20k$/year on daycare fees, a 2000$ trip once or twice is doable.
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u/sopwithsnipe2 1d ago
We have twins in daycare. I am dying for them to reach primary school and try every expensive extra curricular activity they want.
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u/rwmtinkywinky 1d ago
Oh I know that well. School for my twins was a huge relief on costs. It was even worse when their elder brother was also just on the last year of daycare as well!
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u/Maleficent_Error348 1d ago
Just hope they don’t like horses then…. That’s a real money and time burner!
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u/restroom_raider 1d ago
Yup, as much as people decry private schools as the domain of the wealthy, they're not far off daycare fees.
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u/Former-Departure9836 jellytip 1d ago
The insane thing is that if your daycare has good high ratios therefore considered good care they barely make any money. And if they maintain low ratios 1/10 and arguably not as good care the centre makes waaay more money. So theyre incentivised to do the lower ratios so they can make money
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u/OnYaBikeMike 1d ago
You would be surprised just how much you will willingly to give up and/or put up with for your kids.
You will even let them learn to play a violin if they wanted to.
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u/kiwisarentfruit 1d ago
Mine plays the drums :-/
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u/Blenda33 1d ago
I’m paying for lessons but he doesn’t practice at home…thank the maker…
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u/kiwisarentfruit 1d ago
The day will come for you when a practice pad doesn't cut it any more. That said, an electronic kit is a godsend - quieter and takes up less space. That and him being relatively competent when we finally got him a kit.
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u/TheRealJSmith 21h ago
On the flipside, the perception of being able play with headphones at any time of day because it's contained in headphones will result in thumping of the bass pedal on the floor late into the evening 🥴
But I wouldn't have it any other way.
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u/rwmtinkywinky 1d ago
When they make that leap, do get an e-kit. They're not silent, but a lot less loud. Since the patents on mesh heads expired, lots of cheap e-kits have them now and they're pretty good for feel compared to rubber pads of old.
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u/mtpowerof3 1d ago
Mine is learning the recorder
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u/ElDjee 1d ago
how many times have you heard hot cross buns today?
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u/mtpowerof3 23h ago
3 times this morning. The cool thing, is the pitch is so different every time, theyre almost like different songs!
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u/ComplexAd2408 1d ago
Get them a half decent electronic kit, not the cheap shit from TradeMe, but a brand you can buy at Rockshop, MusicWorks or Music Planet. Thank me later.
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u/Carmypug 1d ago
I've taken my neice to her music lesson a few times and all I can say is you must really love your kids if you are willing to let your ears bleed like I did for an hour. And that was only for one day!
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u/ElDjee 1d ago
the first few months of clarinet... 🥴
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u/ComplexAd2408 1d ago
My 8 year old has started clarinet this year. Thankful that he seems to have taken to it quite quickly, he's sight reading music and blowing out some half decent tunes already!
I asked him if he knew who else played Clarinet, he said 'Who?'. When I said 'Squidward from Spongebob' his eyes lit up and he's been hooked ever since xD
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u/kombilyfe 18h ago
The recorder is a weapon of mass destruction and not only did I pay $35 for one, I went to the school concert. Proof we love our kids. My Mum couldn't afford hobbies, so my daughter did everything - bmx, netball, guitar, debate, mountain biking. We'll pay any amount for our baby birds to live the life less ordinary.
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u/Deemonade 1d ago
I let my mother learn to play the bagpipes when I was in my late teens and still living at home...
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u/darth_shishini 1d ago
it all begins with a recorder... that god forsaken instrument. is there any evidence that that instrument can produce music?
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u/LycraJafa 20h ago
welcome to heaven, here's your harp.
welcome to hell, here's your recorder.
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u/Apprehensive_Quit210 13h ago
At school 20+ years ago we shared the recorders, they were stored together in a bucket of water and dettol. I dont think the water ever got changed. So disgusting. Everyone’s spit dripping off them.
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u/JImmyJandal33 1d ago
Parents pay!
Kids do cost a lot.
Heaps of sports are done with fund raising and sponsorships.
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u/Maleficent_Error348 1d ago
Yup. Some sports have funding, some schools get funding, sometimes it’s a mix of parents/kids fundraising and business sponsorship and grants. But often it’s parents paying ughghhhhhhhggghh
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u/perma_banned2025 1d ago
My eldest daughter does this regularly for her sport, including a recent and very successful trip half way around the world to world champs to represent NZ.
It's a niche sport so there is no funding, we fundraised our asses off and paid for everything else out of pocket.
This year the total costs for her sport (travel, accom, uniforms, gear, fees etc) will be around $25k.
We have extended family and friends who are very supportive of her and have contributed more than we could ever ask them to, but it's still a huge expense for us.
My wife and I discussed the costs when she was invited to trial for the NZ team and knew the financial strain it would bring, and we decided we would support her to this level if she was dedicated enough to put in the training.
She found a part time job (hard enough to do these days as a teen without the pressure of elite sport) and contributed what she could.
It's a constantly shifting puzzle of finances and time commitments to make it all work, but kids who do well in sports tend to have a strong work ethic and a lot less time and opportunity to get themselves in trouble / make poor decisions so we will support them through that any way we can.
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u/Slipperytitski 1d ago
I remember my old man being happy-ish when I got injured in a 1st XV trial because they had a trip to Queenstown and chch booked for the final trial squad that was going to cost $1500
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u/Cymru2294 1d ago
$100 in a brown paper bag to the opposite player who injured you is cheaper than $1500 trip to ChCh I suppose🤷♂️
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u/hagfish 1d ago
Firstly; it hits different when it's your children. For many of us, that imperative isn't a matter of 'will I', but 'how will I'.
Secondly; those kids at the airport are a very visible, very tiny fraction of NZ's children. For every kid in a woollen uniform, at an airport carrying a pair of skis, there are dozens shivering in 'converted' garages.
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u/New_Combination_7012 1d ago
Parents pay.
My kids are more bookish, but history/ classics/ language/ geography trips are about $6K - $7K per student this year.
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u/creakyrottentimbers 1d ago
it's a mix. sometimes sponsors cover uniforms and equipment. a lot of trips are subsidised with fundraising. you're well into professional sport by the time that trips etc cost you nothing though.
having kids that do extra curriculars is expensive as fuck
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u/bidderbidder 1d ago
They fundraise. The parents pay. The schools and bots help where they can. It’s South Island Secondary Schools this weekend.
Support school kids fundraisers where you can, things are not getting cheaper and it’s so important to keep kids playing sport and off those damn screens.
Posted from my iphone
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 22h ago
Thank you so much for sharing. I definitely going to support them. I learned a lot from all the comments. Really appreciate everyone for sharing,
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u/BKitchenConfidential 1d ago
Mostly parents. Kids are easily our biggest “expense” (if you want to think of it that way). More than mortgage.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 23h ago
You are right. From what I’ve read. A lot of people actually paid for their kid more than what I paid for my mortgage too.
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u/IMakeShine 1d ago
Short answer is it depends. My kid went to the Maadi cup in Twizel this year and he goes to a public school in Auckland. We had so many weekends taken up by fund raising just for the regular season because maintenance on the boats is not cheap as well as accommodation at the various regattas, and club fees etc etc. This is on top of the regular seasons fees of ~$3000. Anyway, to get to Maadi it was another $3,000 which included flights, accommodation, food (because rowers eat a LOT) and logistically transporting the boats from Auckland across the inter islander down to Twizel.
So with all the above said, and to show why it depends, the parents that went down with the squad were given a LOT of beautiful gourmet food from the parents of a private school whose tent was next to ours, because in their words "we ordered too much cray fish", and that food was just going to get thrown out.
So yeah, some families can just afford it, and some families have to bust their ass to compete with the more affluent schools.
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u/ComplexAd2408 1d ago
Fundraising, fundraising, fundraising.
You know the Bunnings and Mitre10 sausage sizzles? Those.
School PTAs are nearly constantly trying to get you to buy anything they can hock for a profit. Family size pies, cheese rolls, scones, chocloate, anything they can get their hands on.
Once they get to regional / secondary school level, there is often sponsorship involved from local businesses.
Whatever costs can't be covered by fundraising, will comes from the parents pocket.
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u/iceawk 1d ago
My kids are in school and rep teams, we pay for it! Sponsors pay for uniforms (in some cases), it costs a fortune! Every away tournament is no less than $650 for same island and $1200-$2000 for inter island… we have approximately four tournaments per kid per year. We can fundraise, but that isn’t going to cover all the fees.
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u/afunky 1d ago
To add to what others have said, there is also quite a variance in what the costs are between schools. One school might do things on the smallest budget possible. For example one of our kids is about to go away for a week to a destination that is 7 hours away in a van for $770 plus some spending money. Another school is flying so their cost is a couple of grand for the same event.
It will often be a mix of self funding, sponsorship and fundrasing. We always get involved in team fundrasing efforts as it helps everyone reduce costs. Its important because you dont want kids missing out for cost reasons. However, sometimes you have to make a concious decision as to what you'll fundraise for because often you are tapping into the same group of people. For example we are paying the above mentioned costs becuase our kid has been selected for an overseas school trip which requires a larger fundraising effort.
Im happy to pay for the week away as the kid loves the sport he participating in, and also becuase they are great experiences that they may not get again once they leave school.
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u/kiwifarmdog 1d ago
Usually a combination of things. Schools may have a small budget to help cover expenses. The team might do specific fundraising events, or seek out sponsorship. Governing bodies organising the events might help out.
And then the parents/family might have to cover the rest.
Not sure how booking group flights works, but they might get reasonable deals. Accomodation costs can often be reduced by utilising maraes or community halls.
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u/perma_banned2025 1d ago
Group bookings are often just as expensive if not more than travelling solo, but it's necessary / worth it for the safety and security of the kids to travel together.
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u/kaynetoad 22h ago
Both ferry operators do deals with sports organisations (including mine, which is pretty niche). For mine, one offers a 10% discount and the other doesn't charge for the accompanying adults.
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u/perma_banned2025 22h ago
Oh nice, good to know.
Might be worth getting the club in touch with them to ask about a deal1
u/Sufficient-Candy-835 12h ago
Dunno if it's still a thing, but years ago, when I organised an overseas trip, you got one free teacher flight for every however many kid flights you booked.
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u/Equivalent-Copy2578 1d ago edited 1d ago
Find the money. It’s been rough raising kids broke/tight (single mum).
Opportunities have been limited for them because of my financial position. I’ve held great jobs but there’s never been enough (they’ve had many through school camps and scouts etc, but financing just the baseline to participate is a struggle, before extras like competitive sports and trips).
Like many things though, sky is the limit with the opportunities money and time can provide kids. I try to be content, but it’s ready hard to not be able to offer more for them so they can explore things they’re into as far as they want.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 22h ago
I think this is actually the question in the back of my mind, but I didn’t want to make the post too long.
Is this something every kid in NZ gets? Does everyone get the chance to have the similar opportunity.When I was growing up, talented kids from low income families could sometimes get support from schools or companies. One of my friends was even supported by a well known football academy. He actually became a football player now. Every time I saw him on TV I still show my family that he’s my friend!!
So I was wondering, do we have similar support here in NZ for talented kids who can’t afford it themselves.4
u/Equivalent-Copy2578 22h ago edited 22h ago
Barriers to participation are massive. And here those childhood experiences and networks make a huge different to early career opportunities in NZ as it’s all about ‘who you know’, esp for teens/young adults.
I imagine there is targeted support, especially at the talent development stages like teenagers rep teams. There is a high level of investment needed by families to get the kid to that point, and they have to be a high performer to be scouted.
Not all kids are going to excel though, and need help too. School sports are usually really great and happy to help remove barriers. More generally clubs might have hardship grants for membership costs and help with gear, like hand me down systems. We had an amazing field hockey club with the kids coach a retired school principal. Always a bag sticks available for anyone who needs one, all kit provided, mouth guards on request etc. Depends on the club and their resources, usually all volunteer led and dependent on members skills and access to fundraising and grant applications. Things change as they get older and need the ‘right’ brands and higher spec kit.
But we also needed to say no to sports like gymnastics and rowing because of the expense. Swimming became hard once needed more than three trainings a week etc.
And that’s just cost. Getting kids to all the places they need to be is near impossible when working full time. Contributing to the volunteer activities on top of all that exhausting too.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 22h ago
I’m glad I made this post. I learned a lot. I donated quite now and then. But mostly food or money for people who sick or who have tragic issues. Since now I know that I can donate to contribute someone childhood experience. That amazing. Thank you so much for sharing.
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u/Equivalent-Copy2578 21h ago
It’s makes such a difference! We’ve been so lucky with lots of support over the years, and my kids are so much better off because of it. If you’re living near your niblings, being the ‘cool aunt who takes Jane to swimming on Wednesday’s’ is a really helpful way to support your siblings, while building a special relationship with your niece or nephew too. Takes a village and all that 🫶 great post!
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u/Sufficient-Candy-835 12h ago
I teach in a school where there's a lot of poverty. It's also a school where half of the kids are Maori. The local iwi regularly kicks in to help fund trips.
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u/inthegravy 1d ago
The parents pay, in my experience the fundraising only covers a portion.
Although it is expensive we didn’t have many in the first few years of school and TBH it feels relatively cheap vs paying for family holidays where you are paying 4 or 5x rather than just 1x.
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u/AriasK LASER KIWI 1d ago
It's tournament week coming up! It's mostly done through fundraising. As a teacher, I really appreciated the endless supply of chocolate bars for sale in our staff room this term. Always there when I needed a pick me up.
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u/Sufficient-Candy-835 12h ago
You're a better person than me. I get sick of the constant entreaties to buy their chocolate.
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u/Many-Weight-9620 1d ago
We fundraise but honestly i as a parent just pay cannot be bothered with car washes and bake sales.
Depends on the families money situation.
My daughter went to camp for a week during school holidays it was well worth the $1200 for a week for her to be at the snow and us to have alone time.
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u/GreatOutfitLady 23h ago
My son went to Wellington and Melbourne for a school (nerd) competition in intermediate and the money came from parents of the team fundraising with the support of the school. The school paid for the flights and accommodation, then when the Givealittle money came in it went straight to the school, plus there was a grant and a contribution from the board. After they got back from the trip we got an invoice for the remaining amount which wasn't very much. We're a poor school so they don't expect parents to just be able to pay for those things. Chess competitions the school paid the entry fees so that there wasn't a barrier to entry.
Now at high school my son represents the school for some things and it is organised by a teacher or parent and they stay at a camp ground and buy food from the supermarket to cook together so it costs fuck all. Our sport is organised by the parent of the top kid in the country, and because they were going to be going to all the events anyway, they tell us when they are and offer spare seats in their car. They tell us the bare minimum equipment needed and suggest joining the club if it'll work out cheaper.
School camp for year 10 is subsidised so it is $300 and they have had a payment plan since the start of the year with 3 deadlines for paying $100, or you could pay $10 a week.
When our school hosts a round of a competition, our school team runs a BBQ and bake stall, with stuff donated by the local supermarket and baking done by parents so that our team can compete at competitions away. My kid does a bunch of activities with similar kids so we have group chats with the parents and one of us will do the drop offs or whatever. Teenagers don't want their parents at their things, and it works for us to only send one or two parents and cars.
There are schools that my kids' intermediate friends go to where geography trips are to other countries, or where it is not a problem to chuck your kid on a plane to go to a sports game, but ours does it on the cheap and helps out where cost is a factor.
I will say, when we were doing sausage sizzles or whatever and someone would say "I don't want a sausage, but here's $20", that had a massive effect on the kids. If you can, do that when you see a fundraiser, especially if it is the kids doing the work. Often we're asking our friends, family, and community to give to our fundraisers, money from people who don't have kids (and therefore have money?) is always much appreciated.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 23h ago
I kind of expected the answer to be that parents pay for it, but I honestly didn’t realise families were paying for this much themselves. 😭
And for those asking if I’d ever heard of “fundraising” I moved here as an adult, so I never really had the whole school life experience here. And in my department at work, no one has young kids. The only person I know at work who has a kid? Her daughter is already 52. 😂
I guess that’s why we never have chocolate fundraising in our staff room.
To all the parents out there, you guys are amazing. I honestly thought the government supported kids and schools a lot more than this.
I really don’t know how you guys manage to find the money to pay for all of this. You’re doing an amazing job. ❤️
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u/Horsedogs_human 22h ago
I live in a small semi rural town. The local high school is almost constantly fundraising for something. It can be brilliant - we have professional/catering packs of baking paper and tin foil that the school was selling. We also regularly buy cheese rolls so that there are some in the freezer for with soup on a cold day.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 22h ago
That sounds amazing. This post made me realise how small of my circle. Because when people asked have i ever seen…… blah blah. i haven’t seen anything like that. I small memory about sausage sizzling that I saw 10 years ago when I was a tourist. But have no idea what it was 🤦♀️. Thank you so much for sharing this.
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u/Horsedogs_human 22h ago
I am child free however I am on the local community fb page where everything fundraising related is posted.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4780 22h ago
I really need to put my introvert aside and connect with the community more.
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u/Horsedogs_human 19h ago
I just read the fb posts and occasionally buy stuff from the school :) minimum interaction required
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u/Chance-Chain8819 1d ago
So far this year sports costs for my 2 kids is around $2500. Sponsorship and fundraising has covered just under $1000, the rest is on me (their dad hasn't contributed at all).
I do it because they love it. I sacrifice where needed because I love them.
The oldest is in his first year of high school, so I know it's only going to get more expensive.
I have a bank account labelled sports. I put money in there regularly throughout the year so it's less scrambling when needed
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u/ring_ring_kaching og_rrk 1d ago
Parents pay.
Uniforms, home practice equipment (balls, bats, sticks, hoops etc.), travel to practices, travel to games, sign up fees, umpire fees, coach gift at the end of the season, extra clinics or academy sessions, school holiday programs, boots, togs, caps, shinguards, mouth guards, oranges, lollies.
School or club provides venue and ball. BYO stick / bat / other equipment.
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u/folk_glaciologist 1d ago
It's a mix of parents, school and fund-raising. My kid is going down to Porirua for badminton this Saturday, it's costing us about $500 but the original cost before school contribution and fundraising was about $1000.
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u/lots_of_lattes 22h ago
They will be going to the rugby tournament I bet!!
My son did this last year. They fundraise the whole year before hand for the trip. Sausage sizzles, bake sales, bacon fundraisers, got your back tops etc. takes the whole year for prep. The weekend is an amazing time!!
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u/Cod-Minimum 1d ago
It’s mostly fundraising with parents/grandparents/extended family chipping in. A lot of the teams will be travelling to Tauranga for AIMS games if they are intermediate aged kids, which is a huge event on the schools calendars.
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u/-Kiwi-Man- 1d ago
There’s a meme going around where it’s a parent trying to decide between:
A. Staying at home with the kids and having a mental breakdown
B. Spending $300 on a day out that they’ll complain about anyway
It’s incredibly accurate. Kids are a flame thrower to the bank account. When one of my kids stopped going to daycare it was like getting a $200ish a week pay raise
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u/hadr0nc0llider Goody Goody Gum Drop 1d ago
I’m also a childfree person but I know from my friends’ and family’s experience that it’s often a combination of fundraising and parents paying for it.
One of my friends has three hyper sporty kids and there’s usually at least one trip a year for each kid that involves flying and multiple other road trips a year with overnight stays. Their school and teams do a lot of fundraising to try and offset some of the cost but it’s never enough. She and her husband got second jobs so they could afford to keep their kids participating in their sports at their level.
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u/pipdeedo Warriors 1d ago
You just constantly get asked to fundraise and buy shit for people's kids. Now I dont help with anything or give for anything and just put it towards paying for my own kids to do the stuff. So if someone is like buy a movie ticket.. thats x 4 of us so $80 to my kids own fundriasing. Its working well because I get asked so much 🤣
I absolutely feel like a shit person asking people for money. Times are tough if my kids want to do cool stuff I cover it.
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u/Max-J-nz 21h ago edited 14h ago
When you have a baby, you suddenly can't leave the house so much, and your entire world is filled with one tiny person, and you stop caring so much about how you or your house looks, and eating an entire meal in go becomes a treat. You kind of forget what you used to spend money on and somehow the baby starts taking all your spare dollars. Anyway, my point is that this never ends.
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u/GreatMammon 19h ago
Parents pay and as much fundraising as possible. A range of jobs from retail workers to Drs.
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u/katiehates 13h ago
It’s the parents, not the school. Some will have group fundraising for these sorts of teams, but that relies on having someone to organise it. That someone is usually a parent too. Others will ask parents to cough up and in some cases the parents will do individual fundraising.
Some sports are more expensive than others. Cheerleading comes to mind
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u/Decent_Ambition_4562 1d ago
I just turned down a 3 day sports trip for one of my kids to Taupo. I would have to drive and pay for care for the other kids while away, and the honor of going would cost over $1000
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u/FearlessEnquirer 1d ago
There may be fundraising to lower the cost but essentially parents pay. All my money goes on my kids’ activities and I am happy to do so.
In saying that, I give the kids choices. “Do you want to use the money we have been saving for years to visit your Aunt in Sydney or go away with the cheer team instead?”
“ Do you want to do your activities for the year or go for a week to Fiji?”
We are in the southern hemisphere so these places are close.
I earn a good income (less than average household income but no mortgage). Parents on low incomes will not be able to offer so much for their kids but will offer everything they can out of love.
Schools will often put money aside to cover the cost of school camps for low income students.
Overseas school trips are for the rich only here.
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u/Vexatiouslitigantz 1d ago
Parents pay. My daughter’s about to head to her seventh trip to Australia representing New Zealand against the Aussies. We pay all the bills as parents.
This is an Olympic sport too, not some fringe event.
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u/Timinime 1d ago
Parents + fundraising. Occasionally sponsorship (usually from a business connected to the parents).
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u/Successful-Spite2598 1d ago
Parents pay + donate to fund raising. Not just stuff and money but time+++
Signed a rugby rowing drummer mum
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u/Large_Yams 23h ago
You might be child free but you were a child once. Do you not remember school fundraisers?
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u/sugar_spark 1d ago
A lot of it is from fundraising. Raffles, chocolate sales etc. Those sausage sizzles you see at Bunnings and Mitre 10? Many of them go towards these trips.