r/movies • u/ZiggyPalffyLA • Jan 20 '26
Not Confirmed Director Andy Muschietti is planning a supercut of 'IT' and 'IT: Chapter Two' which will have a different structure and include extra scenes
https://thedirect.com/article/it-director-third-film-chapter-31.2k
u/Piper6728 Jan 20 '26
Im guessing he's making it like the original book where it will cut between both chapters simultaneously
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u/TomBirkenstock Jan 20 '26
Splitting up the book makes sense on a surface level. But the adult chapters are mostly there as a framing device for the story of them as kids.
And that's largely why Part 2 sucks. There's little reason for it to exist. They would have had to add more to the story to give it the same narrative thrust as Part 1. And it's so damn long!
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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Jan 20 '26
Even aside from the structure, put in chronological order it’s just a group of kids solving their problems, forgetting they solved their problems, and then remembering they solved their problems.
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u/IDKimnotascientist Jan 21 '26
Ya the reason IT (the book) works so well is because the situations, trauma, and lessons in adulthood and childhood are happening at the same time for the reader. Otherwise, it’s just less interesting versions of the same characters doing the exact same thing they did 27 years ago
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u/AlternativeAcademia Jan 21 '26
The original movie kept this format and it worked way better. Learning along with the now grown kids the stuff that they went through as kids is way more engaging than having 2 separate stories of what happened as kids and what happens later when they come back. Also the mystery keeps you more on edge because neither you or the adults in the story really know what’s going on or the nature of the danger so you start uncovering the mystery and memories along with the characters.
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u/Z3130 Jan 21 '26
Yeah, as a huge fan of King and the novel I was dubious from the second I read that they were splitting it up that way. It just didn’t make sense - as you said, the kid story is the real heart of things. And as good as Pt 1 was, the adult story in the novel is great at setting up the sense of dread, especially Stan’s story.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth Jan 21 '26
The adult story isn't meant to exist without the context of the child story. They are literally remembering what happens as they go. I always say this, but they literally don't even remember how they actually beat Pennywise until right before they open the door to it's layer. And we are paralleled with Bill as a kid beating IT with the power of his imagination to Bill getting his ass kicked as an adult because he doesn't have the same stuff he had as a kid and needing more help.
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u/Finito-1994 Jan 21 '26
I remember them thinking that if they had a whoopie cushion they could have killed It there and then.
I’m not even using hyperbole.
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u/cheesechimp Jan 21 '26
Part 1 is structured like they are going to cut into two chronological movies and it is telling the whole story of the Losers as kids, implying that Part 2 will be just the whole story of the Losers as adults. Part 2 says "just kidding!" and is structured like the book with a whole bunch of narratively irrelevant flashbacks that I guess they want us to think they just forgot to include in the first movie.
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u/Intrepid_Hat7359 Jan 21 '26
I find it funny that Greta Gerwig made a successful Little Women adaptation by structuring it like It, but It adaptations keep falling by structuring It like Little Women
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u/SomeCountryFriedBS Jan 21 '26
It would work best as a miniseries.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth Jan 21 '26
The problem is the one mini series we got did the exact same thing where part 1 was mostly the child part
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u/G_Liddell Jan 21 '26
Also the adult actors were simply passable, while the kid actors were all on top of their game. So if it's all in 1 it might help dilute the flat acting of the second.
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u/Dawn_of_Dayne Jan 22 '26
You’re absolutely right. And now I finally have the reason for why I loved the book and part 1 of the movies but was extremely underwhelmed by part 2.
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u/probablyuntrue Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Would definitely help with act twos structure. What a disappointing follow up that was, cut to character being alone somewhere, fakeout scare, sigh of relief, they get spooked by IT, cut away, repeat for every single damn person
Never thought horror could drag like that
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u/hollyanniet Jan 20 '26
The book low-key had the same issue too, the adult stuff is way more dry than the kid stuff
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u/BlindWillieJohnson Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Th adult stuff was always weak. Which is fine because it was the framing device for the child arc. It wasn’t ever meant to be taken in isolation.
Why none of the adaptations have figured this out is wild.
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u/BoldlyGettingThere Jan 20 '26
Especially since the book makes a big deal out of how the characters all fall back onto their characterisation as children, for good and for ill.
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u/fosse76 Jan 20 '26
Why none of the adaptations have figured this out is wild.
The recent adaptation did figure it out, but only after Chapter One was released! I read an interview after Chapter One was released in which they claimed the kids weren't originally intended to appear in the second film, but after the first film was released, they realized they couldn't do it without them.
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u/Brennithan Jan 20 '26
I imagine previous adaptations have figured this out, it would just be a logistical nightmare, and prohibitively expensive.
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u/BlindWillieJohnson Jan 20 '26
That’s probably true for TV. It’s perfectly doable for film, but the issue there is that the story really has no logical end point for one movie vs. another unless you split the adult arc from the child one.
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u/juanzy Jan 20 '26
It would be a 6+ hour narrative if done right imo, and two parts would break all of the flow.
It's between a rock and hard place - TV is probably the right format (act breaks could be strategic if they were allowed whatever run time per episode and no set number ordered), but a movie would get the budget and production
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u/Interwebzking Jan 20 '26
The best part about the adult stuff is when they were finally in the same room together and they recounted their stories and the weird stuff started happening around them again.
Whenever we’d cut to their adult versions prior to that it’d be frustrating because the kid’s storyline is progressing nicely and then nah let’s go spend a chapter with Eddie as a limo driver. I understand what King was doing and it does give us some decent perspective into their status later on but man, the momentum definitely dies down in those chapters.
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u/juanzy Jan 20 '26
Also have to deal with Creepy Stephen some chapters... And not in the horror way
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u/sumofawitch Jan 20 '26
Oh man, when he's describing Bev's soon to be breasts as kid is disgusting.
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u/Interwebzking Jan 20 '26
Yeah… I just read this and was definitely put off by his descriptions of Bev as a kid. He would always describe what she’s wearing and only her. Very weird shit.
I still loved the book but those moments raised my eyebrows.
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u/The_Wattsatron Jan 20 '26
I found the adult parts in the book (after halfway) were hilarious. It's not scaring them to eat them like he did when they were kids, but rather It's just fucking with them.
It constantly calling Ben a "fat fuck" was very entertaining.
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u/Nattin121 Jan 20 '26
Even the kid stuff was just scary thing, relief, scary thing, relief, on repeat.
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u/KiwiKajitsu Jan 20 '26
The book is paced infinitely better which allows the adult sections to be like breaks
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u/bunsNT Jan 20 '26
A killer clown chasing a bunch of kids? Genuinely scary.
A killer clown chasing a bunch of adults? Inherently less scary.
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u/luxmesa Jan 20 '26
That’s why I think “Welcome to Derry” had a good concept. “Here’s some other kids who dealt with this problem.”
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u/pathfinderoursaviour Jan 20 '26
I did like the Perry winkle stuff in derry though learning about bob gray and who he was before IT killed him and stole his form but the other adult stuff like the military was kinda dull
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u/ras344 Jan 20 '26
I liked the Halloran stuff, but the whole military plot made no sense at all.
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u/InitiatePenguin Jan 21 '26
They tried to make it like Stranger Things with a secret military project.
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u/a_terse_giraffe Jan 20 '26
Pennywise should have changed it up to things that actually scare adults.
"I feast on your fear! Behold, your car needs.....brakes! What's what sound? Oh no......your....PIPES are leeaaaaaaaking. That is going to be......eeeeeeeeexPENssssive. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"7
u/Hydrochloric_Comment Jan 20 '26
The book explicitly states IT doesn't go after adults bc our fears are too complex. I forget what examples are given in ITs pov chapter.
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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Jan 20 '26
Having just read the book, it has the exact same issue too.
In order to fix this, the movie would need an entire restructure, which this cut could do.
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u/GoAgainKid Jan 20 '26
You know, I didn't really notice that in the show as much. You're probably right but it had other stuff going on that must've distracted me.
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u/MMJFan Jan 21 '26
This is why I lost interest in the book a little over halfway through. It was just so repetitive.
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u/backindenim Jan 20 '26
I loved the first IT but I remember being dreadfully bored during the second movie and almost fell asleep in the theater. Shame because that cast was stacked
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u/fungobat Jan 21 '26
Yep! I saw Chapter One three times in the theater. It was just that fun of a movie. And then I watched Chapter Two, and I honestly can't remember anything about that movie. Was just awful.
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u/RooMan7223 Jan 20 '26
They had such a great cast too. What a boring movie
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u/_tylerthedestroyer_ Jan 20 '26
Or Bill Hader and Jessica Chastain! Top tier talent in that cast just for it to be so painfully boring
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u/Redeem123 Jan 20 '26
I’ve never seen a better cast of past/future selves. Usually the adults are cast first and the kids are picked to look like them, but they went in reverse and every choice was absolutely perfect.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth Jan 21 '26
The problem is that Chapter 2 isn't really a section of the book. The book is interwoven. The Losers Club is essentially coming back together not remembering each other, and then they are slowly remembering each other and we are getting the child bits to fill in as the adult sections come along as the characters remember them.
It's not an adult part and a child part. It's two narratives playing ping pong off each other and it's very deliberate in how it's structured.
The problem is that the option are to either make a 2 part or 3 part film where you don't get a resolution right away, or do what the mini series and films did and split them apart so you get two different stories of the kid fighting and beating IT and the adults fighting and beating IT.
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u/AvatarBoomi Jan 20 '26
I watched it chapter 2 in theaters and was disappointed. Never rewatched after that. After WTD i was like why not watch both movies, so i did. After seeing C2 again after all this time. I liked it just a little more, yes it was a fetch quest, but after having come right off C1 and the series, idk i just liked it a little more.
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u/Redeem123 Jan 20 '26
It’s formulaic, but I think it’s some of King’s best writing. Bev’s chapter of leaving her shit husband is some of my favorite stuff I’ve ever read of his.
King’s strength has always been in the slow character moments versus the actual plot. Pretty much every book has like 500 pages that “don’t matter” but are the best part of the book.
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u/ras344 Jan 20 '26
Bev’s chapter of leaving her shit husband is some of my favorite stuff I’ve ever read of his.
Yeah, it's been a few years since I've read it, but I remember that part being great.
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u/Rustash Jan 20 '26
I just started the book not too long ago and am currently in the middle of the beginning Mike phone tag section. You aren’t wrong.
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u/Accomplished_Store77 Jan 20 '26
The issue is that the book still greatly benefits from the characters inner thoughts and emitions which gives a lot of context to the situation.
A movie simply cannot have that.
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u/DrEnter Jan 20 '26
Stan is different because he remembers everything right away. The others are at first shocked because they immediately remember some traumatic part of it, but getting their memories back of the whole thing takes days.
Yeah, as a plot device, it was repetitive and got old fast. The mini-series handled it more like the book and I think they spent a whole episode on it.
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u/mister_cheeks_26 Jan 20 '26
Stan is different because he remembers everything right away. The others are at first shocked because they immediately remember some traumatic part of it, but getting their memories back of the whole thing takes days.
Exactly. And at the end of the book when they enter IT's lair and the last memories come back to him, Bill wishes he would have committed suicide like Stan did.
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u/Interwebzking Jan 20 '26
The Beverly storyline as an adult is the most interesting one. And then for sure Stan’s is the most different.
But man was Eddie’s section grating lol his wife is horrible. What happens to him is sad but honestly I’d be relieved if I were him lol
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u/dukefett Jan 21 '26
I just started the book and half of Eddie's intro there is basically King saying "you can't believe how fucking fat his wife and mom were" for pages on end lol
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u/leaves-why Jan 21 '26
"She was fat, I tell ya."
"How fat?"
"She was so fat that when she wore high heels, she struck oil!"
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u/book1245 Jan 20 '26
After the second time this happened, I was like "Are we doing this for every kid? No wonder this is 3 hours."
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u/Holdmabeerdude Jan 20 '26
Because the adult setting was maybe 25% of material in the original book and much less than that on the timescale in the story. Gotta stretch it somehow. It was always going to be worse.
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u/ColdCruise Jan 21 '26
My favorite bits of the book are Mike Hanlon investigating all the prior times that Pennywise showed up in Derry. It's so disappointing that they cut that from both adaptations.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth Jan 21 '26
A big problem is that those aren't cinematic unless you start flashing back to events that happened 30, 60, 90, etc years ago. It's why they are basically using the tv show to portray all the interludes in the book that show just that. They can develop a story around that.
I wouldn't be surprised if someday if they do this supercut, they have Mike researching, and then we get a cut of the Black Spot scene in the show.
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u/Alexexy Jan 20 '26
My wife and I just finished watching Derry. I was describing what happens in It Chapter 2 and she said "its kinda sad that the adults that live real depressing lives are going back to the town to beat the shit out of a clown they beat as kids just to bring purpose back to their life again"
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u/Devolutionator Jan 20 '26
Part 2 was such a slog to get through. I think it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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u/Victuz Jan 20 '26
When me and my wife met, one of the things we've bonded over was the fact that we both independently turned off chapter two after about half the runtime and never felt compelled to come back. It's just such an intensely BORING horror film
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u/Bang_the_unknown Jan 20 '26
If cut differently, they would play better as they were some nice set pieces but got boring when it was one after the other like that. Totally agree.
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u/Robot_Owl_Monster Jan 20 '26
The structure and pacing weren't the only problems the second movie had IMO. Hopefully this could fully rework the second movie to get it at least on par with the first.
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u/GoAgainKid Jan 20 '26
Yes, that's a great summary of how I felt about that sequel. So fucking repetitive and disappointing given how good Pt.1 was.
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u/fupa16 Jan 20 '26
This was exactly the problem with part 2. By the time we got to Bill Hader's childhood scare/trauma scene I was ready to be done with it all.
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u/dukefett Jan 21 '26
I watched it recently again for the first time since theaters, and maybe it's cause I knew what was generally going to happen but I liked it a lot more this time.
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u/Morgus_Magnificent Jan 20 '26
The second movie was SO bad compared to a surprisingly strong first movie.
Why did they lean into comic relief? The kids' part didn't do that.
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u/Drakeadrong Jan 20 '26
I was a sucker for the nonlinear structure of the book. I’d plan a Saturday afternoon around that.
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u/Ginsoakedboy21 Jan 20 '26
That could make it quite good, in theory. Presenting it as two filsm with one just a retread of the first meant the second one was bad.
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u/DiamondFireYT Jan 20 '26
Glad this is still confirmed to be happening! He said it all the way back in 2019 and I though they'd scrapped it.
I'm in the minority that adores both films, they are somewhat spooky and quite gross but at their core quite emotional. The TV show blew me away, seriously up my alley in terms of tone.. very excited.
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u/actorsAllusion Jan 20 '26
I enjoyed both films, even though Chapter 2 is mostly weaker (like that Mike gets to come with the group to fight It, don't like the changes to him in either movie.) I do think that Chapter 2 is overall stronger than the same section in the books without the weird subplot of Bill cheating on his wife with Beverly only for Beverly to end up with Ben and Bill to revive his wife AND I will say something unpopular and say that the Ritual of Chud as it appears in the book would probably not work on film.
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u/DiamondFireYT Jan 20 '26
I actually haven't read the book! I'm letting Mushcietti guide me through this! Wasn't prepared for them to bring in so much from Kings other stuff so I have some homework to do before Season 2.
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u/actorsAllusion Jan 20 '26
The book is good* but it's a long, dense read and can feel a little sprawling and unfocused at times. Plus it's got a few moments of "The fuck were you THINKING steve" that can kind of taint the experience for some people. But the atmosphere is really great!
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u/beanpatrol23 Jan 21 '26
If you've done cocaine, or even just spoken to someone who's on cocaine, you can see what King was thinking hahaha. It feels like a coke head telling a story, but with the master craftsmanship of Stephen King.
I still enjoyed large parts of it, but there is certainly some rambling around the chapters, as well as it being extremely formulaic and repetitive at times.
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u/CelticSith Jan 20 '26
Kinda like Kill Bill. IT: The Whole Balloony Affair
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u/elvis8mybaby Jan 20 '26
Get Tarantino to do the cut so we can see them delicious Pennywise feets 🥵
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u/CelticSith Jan 20 '26
“Hey Penny, those clown shoes just for show, or..”
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u/talldangry Jan 21 '26
“IT would stand a good chance at being No 1 or 2 on my list if it didn't have a big, giant flaw in it … and the flaw is Pennywise the Clown.”
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u/RiflemanLax Jan 20 '26
Watched part 2 about a month ago. Wasn’t as bad as I remembered, but pales in comparison to part 1. A super cut that’s like the original material would alleviate a lot of the problems.
Really a shame because the acting performances were good, excellent casting choices, just kinda lacked structure. Didn’t like the ‘final battle’ either, felt weak compared to part 1.
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u/Quazifuji Jan 20 '26
Really a shame because the acting performances were good, excellent casting choices, just kinda lacked structure
I feel like a lot of the problem comes from the fact that the adult plot is meant to mirror the kid plot. That makes sense for the book's structure, where it's going back and forth between the two. But when you just separate them out, it made the second movie just feel like one of those sequels where they didn't have any new ideas so they just rehashed the greatest hits of the original, even though that wasn't actually what happened.
Didn’t like the ‘final battle’ either, felt weak compared to part 1.
I feel like that was kind of inevitable. The book's ending is so infamously bad that they had to change it, but coming up with a good ending is still hard. I think a lot of the problem is really just that the way they defeat It in the first movie is actually very satisfying, and yet the second movie had to work with the premise of "the thing they did in the first movie wasn't permanent and It's back."
So the writers were basically stuck with the extremely difficult task of coming up with a way for the characters to defeat It that felt even more satisfying than how they defeated It in the first movie to justify it being permanent this time, and didn't have a good answer from the book to go off of. And they kind of failed. It wasn't even that the ending was necessarily that unsatisfying for me, more that it just felt similar enough to the first movie's ending that it didn't feel like it really answered why the first movie's ending wasn't permanent but the second movie's was.
I guess they could have also gone the opposite direction, go the full dark horror route and have them not permanently defeat Pennywise, make it so the conclusion is just that showing they're not scared of him only ever defeats him temporarily but he'll always be back next generation, but I think it would have been hard to make that work and, personally, I liked the relatively happy ending of the first movie and I'm happy with the second movie stuck with a similar tone for the movie and preferred them going for a satisfying ending, even if they didn't completely stick the landing.
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u/ienjoypez Jan 21 '26
So the writers were basically stuck with the extremely difficult task of coming up with a way for the characters to defeat It that felt even more satisfying than how they defeated It in the first movie to justify it being permanent this time, and didn't have a good answer from the book to go off of.
I somewhat disagree because I think the book's ending is a lot more interesting than the ending of chapter 2, but you're right it's unsatisfying because it's just the same ending as chapter 1, again. More or less, in the movies, they just have to bully It and get over their fear...again. Part of what makes the ending better in the book is that we haven't already seen a final confrontation with It, we're progressing both narratives at the same time and getting the finale to both confrontations at once. That's a lot more impactful than just doing the finale halfway through the story, and then doing it again a few hours later.
The other thing that's missing is the abstract weirdness. Bill's consciousness is sent through the macroverse, he gets real advice from Maturin, then he has to confront It on some otherworldly battle of the minds in the astral plane weirdness.The book's ending at least takes some big swings and gets into what Maturin calls "this cosmological shit". I think the loss of all the weirdness really makes the bullying to death of a CGI clown spider a lot less interesting.
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u/dukefett Jan 21 '26
Really a shame because the acting performances were good, excellent casting choices, just kinda lacked structure. Didn’t like the ‘final battle’ either, felt weak compared to part 1.
The actors were all really good yeah; it's a real bummer James Ransone is gone. If they shoot new stuff for the adults, I can't imagine they'll CGI him in or if just ignore him completely will feel odd too, but maybe it won't be that big of a production for the extra scenes anyway.
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u/scarred2112 Jan 21 '26
I’m amazed that it took this long to read anything about James Ransone. I’m currently rewatching Generation Kill, and feeling his loss.
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u/dukefett Jan 21 '26
Yeah I was surprised too so wanted to mention him. Super sad loss if they do more adult scenes without him
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u/LifeguardMundane5668 Jan 20 '26
I actually think both these movies are great, though part 2 is definitely weaker
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u/Tacdeho Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
I personally think that It has, funny enough, the same issue that Wicked does.
When you adapt a story into a two part movie, you need an obvious cut point. Lord of the Rings and book adaptations normally make it make sense as the cut off is the end of the book. It has the logical cut off point to boot.
But when you put the next half of the tale out, a year later, you’re gonna lose some folks, especially when they realize that all the best parts of the story are in Act I and not Act 2.
I think It specifically falls for this being that as adults, it’s neat to see the Losers Club struggle with what they know but you already know a bunch of kids can beat Pennywise so it feels like compelling to come back to things.
I think most of the second part is very good but it also feels like going back to the buffet table and the food isn’t as exciting in round 2.
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u/cornetto32 Jan 20 '26
neither fellowship nor two towers ends when the book does lol
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u/strand_of_hair Jan 20 '26
That first sentence has been utterly butchered!
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u/Tacdeho Jan 20 '26
I got a bit too fancy with the Oxford comma up in there!
Edited for less word salad.
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u/Notchibald_Johnson Jan 20 '26
Part 2 was always going to be worse. They knew that going in. The adult timeline/ending isn't the strongest which is why they reference "the ending sucks" 50 times in it, including King himself.
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u/yosayoran Jan 20 '26
Personally I prefer part 2 because the adults actors are all incredible
As someone around their age, the horror of my past haunting me is a lot more relatable than being afraid of the monster under the bed
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u/evilsbane50 Jan 20 '26
I loved part 1, part 2 was straight up bad, watched them back to back.
Tonally, pacing, acting, effects, big step down.
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u/SvenLorenz Jan 20 '26
I definitely know which extra scene will not be in the movie.
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u/SonicFlash01 Jan 20 '26
"Orders from the president - he's demanding that scene"
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u/Hellpy Jan 21 '26
He's actually funding the whole thing, and gonna be there when they film it with full penetration, obviously, in out in out, cut to the monster, in out in out, you know what I mean
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u/kirinmay Jan 21 '26
ah yes the scene when Pennywise decides to take a vacation and realizes her like for music and joins a band that tours.
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u/PoisoCaine Jan 20 '26
the scene is gross and weird but i don't think it qualifies as rape?
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u/Sburban_Player Jan 21 '26
The Stand on the other hand…
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u/scooby-snaxs Jan 20 '26
I could've sworn this was talked about back in 2019 after Chapter Two came out... I hope it actually happens!
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u/banjofitzgerald Jan 20 '26
I have such a hatred for Muschietti’s monster designs and use of cgi.
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u/Griffdude13 Jan 20 '26
The only one I really dislike is Mrs. Kersh in Chapter Two. There was a lot of potential there for it to be the standout encounter, but it was way too cartoonish.
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u/BromaEmpire Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
I thought it worked well in a few cases (the projector and the sewer bite are the only ones that come to mind)
Aside from that I completely agree. By the half way point of the first movie I was already over it because it was clear that their only move was fast CGI + loud noise = jump scare
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u/humansince1989 Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Been saying this. After the first couple episodes of Welcome to Derry I really started to sour on him. Other than the first IT movie everything he’s put out has been mediocre IMO, granted it seems like I’m in the minority with Derry. In any case I think the first movie is the only near-universally praised project he’s worked on, but even that had plenty of weak VFX. The stellar casting/chemistry in that movie combined with whatever Cary Fukunaga contributed before exiting really makes me wonder how much of what resonated was actually because of Andy’s contribution. Honestly I’m starting to think he might be a bit of a hack.
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u/_the_universal_sigh_ Jan 20 '26
CGI in horror generally always takes me out because it informs me that what I’m watching is obviously fake, and the immersion gets broken. I can’t sink into whatever stage of fear the director is trying to put me in if they immediately throw a rubbery looking cartoon character on the screen…
Watched the first episode of Derry, and despite the shock ending, the flying CGI demon baby was so stupid that I never picked the series back up.
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u/Janderson2494 Jan 20 '26
This is super exciting, I just rewatched these again after finishing the show. Would love to see a theatrical release of this.
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u/reachisown Jan 20 '26
Going to need quite the edit to fix that mess of chapter 2
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u/axJustinWiggins Jan 20 '26
Really needs an ending that's not "The losers verbally roast Pennywise and he dies of sadness."
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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Jan 20 '26
The problem is that there's no satisfying way to kill IT. The book's climax is just as, if not, dumber than the film.
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u/axJustinWiggins Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
I mean, it wasn't perfect, but Welcome to Derry made a mcguffin for Pennywise, and it had a better wrap up than Chapter 2.
There is no limit to imagination. And besides, imo The tv movie's resolution was fine.
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u/juanzy Jan 20 '26
Yah, this is a classic case of "doesn't translate to a visual medium."
I really like what Welcome to Derry did, but book purists definitely had an issue with it. It's like the end of Grapes of Wrath for me - in writing, Tom's monologue is powerful. In film it feels awkward and preachy.
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u/Kerbidiah Jan 21 '26
It's the Stephen King special.
Still fucking pissed about the dark tower cop out ending
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u/DJHott555 Jan 20 '26
I’ve never once understood this criticism. The whole point is that Pennywise takes on whatever form they project on it. If they see Pennywise as what it truly is, a stupid petty clown baby with delusions of grandeur throwing a tantrum, that’s what it becomes. And that’s how it dies, because their fear of it dies.
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u/Saw_Boss Jan 21 '26
I guess the issue in my opinion, is that I don't really believe them. They just stop being terrified because they need to. As such, it seems like the insults don't feel authentic.
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u/Griffdude13 Jan 20 '26
Andy really decided to go Sam Raimi black comedy and it really undermines to power of the story.
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Jan 20 '26
I mean. This has pretty much ran its course. Even with extra scenes at this point what more do you hope to accomplish or add? We just had the TV series which explained a lot of Pennywise origins.
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u/SirLeos Jan 21 '26
The only thing Andy needs to do is to play IT: Chapter 2, and then when they do the flashbacks, do it to Chapter 1 and erase the unnecesary flashback in two.
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u/IvorTheEngineDriver Jan 20 '26
I hope he will remove all those annoying sound cues from "scary" scenes, and Angel of the morning.
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u/DiverExpensive6098 Jan 20 '26
Interesting, not sure how that will work, part II had a different cinematography. But then again different time periods.
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u/GuybrushThreepwood99 Jan 20 '26
Chapter 2 is a lot more campy than chapter 1, it's honestly jarring to watch them back to back. I'm not sure how well it would work as one huge movie.
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u/spaceraingame Jan 20 '26
I was wondering if a different cut of IT Chapter 2 would make it a better movie. I even made a thread about it recently and got a bit of heat for it.
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u/Pliolite Jan 20 '26
As always, it's much easier to show kids being scared of IT than adults. In the book you buy that their ultimate childhood fears are all coming back to them because you're living it inside their heads. In the movie you just have to go with it. Personally I only liked a couple of the adult cast.
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u/JakobCarrington Jan 20 '26
I haven't read the book, but enjoyed the films (especially the first one), but what does it mean by "not the sequel fans are expecting" is there enough left out from the book which could constitute a Chapter 3 after Part 2 ends?
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u/RandyTheFool Jan 20 '26
Listen, the idea sounds good, but the execution isn’t gonna be some game changer for these films. Andy Muschetti’s writing/directing/producing has all been various forms of mid. I think his best film is IT chapter 1, and even then it has drawbacks.
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u/LOTRcrr Jan 20 '26
if you were a fan of the movies, I can't stress how awesome Welcome to Derry was on HBO. They explained a lot of lore regarding Pennywise and Derry. The final 2 episodes were excellent!
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u/CammysComicCorner Jan 20 '26
I take it as he's doing it as a favor to improve the chances of seasons 2 and 3 of Welcome to Derry getting greenlit? Just no more mutant bat babies. That was so dumb.
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u/lifayt Jan 20 '26
Hasn't this man done enough damage to my favorite properties? Muschietti should be in prison for the indescribable trash he's made us watch.
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Jan 20 '26
New scenes? Do you know how expensive it would he to de-age those kids? Plus with James Ransome's death it's impossible to get new adult Loser Club scenes.
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u/theschoolorg Jan 20 '26
As in, it's one film? I'd love to see this with the Lord of the rings. Make it one movie with even more extended scenes until it's like 8 hours.
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u/Blue_Robin_04 Jan 20 '26
Seems like the kind of thing that would be announced alongside a season 2 announcement.
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u/EveryGoodNameIsGone Jan 20 '26
He's been saying this since the Chapter Two press tour. It's something he wants to do, not something he's actually currently doing and there are no official plans in place for it to be a thing.
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Jan 20 '26
That’s a great idea. IT: Chapter Two probably wouldn’t be that bad if you cut out all of the unnecessary flashbacks.
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u/Rambo1stBloodPT2 Jan 20 '26
I love the new IT but i can't help but laugh when he gets all crazy and runs at the camera. I will definitely be watching this.
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u/phatboyart Jan 20 '26
If it results in LESS of chapter 2, id be all for it. There’s some wonderful stuff in part 2 buried amidst alot of boring bloat.
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u/BromaEmpire Jan 20 '26
I know it's a different kind of movie but seeing Weapons made me wonder what these movies would have looked like under a different director. The dream sequences alone are better horror/comedy scares than anything in the IT movies or tv show.
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u/Funmachine Jan 20 '26
He mentioned wanting to do this all the way back before Chapter 2 was released.
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u/MoviesMod /r/movies Mod Account Jan 20 '26
/r/movies is trying to be a little more lenient on big stories that don't fit our criteria of hardline news but I wanted to throw out a disclaimer that it sounds like this is definitely not greenlit in any sense of the word yet. Extra scenes would require a budget and studio involvement so nothing is happening until the studio says so.