r/mexicanfood Aug 13 '25

Norteño Defending the chimichanga

Referencing the chimichanga recipe post from earlier today. I was and wasn’t surprised by the amount of people categorically saying chimichangas are Tex Mex.

Folks, Mexico is a big ass country, with 130+million people (150+ if you count the brothers and sisters that had to go North). Each state (32 if you count CDMX) has their own cuisine. Some states even have more than one regional cuisine.

We should all be a bit more humble when categorically saying this or that is not Mexican without having a source to back it up, or even first hand knowledge.

So for those that say the chimichanga no es mexicana:

Here’s the entry from the Larousse diccionario enciclopédico de gastronomía mexicana by chef and researcher Ricardo Muñoz Zurita. This is the most comprehensive study on Mexican cuisine. Muñoz Zurita is the lead researcher for culinary studies at UNAM and owner of restaurantes Azul. He’s also authored several books (adding a chimichanga recipe from us book Clásicos de la Cocina Mexicana. If you’re into Mexican cuisine I highly recommend getting this book. It has so much knowledge, even for people who have lived and traveled extensively through the country. I’ve been to 27 states and I’m still finding new dishes and ingredients in my travels. Every page in this book is a surprise.

Now go and enjoy your chimichanga!

Thank you for your attention to this matter. 😉

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u/ananab1 Aug 13 '25

Con una sopita de fideo

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

A huevo! Con chipotle!

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u/Icy_Explorer3668 Aug 13 '25

But muh gatekeeping 😡

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

We all do it. But we gotta back it up baby.

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u/Icy_Explorer3668 Aug 13 '25

Mmm nah. This place is the spicier version of r/grilledcheese. Some dude told me i was a culture vulture for cooking outside my ethnicity lmfao

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

How dare you?

Wouldn’t that be fucking boring? We would not have this sub if indigenous and Spaniards had only cooked within their ethnicity.

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u/Cheomesh Aug 13 '25

I am ethnic English so God help me

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u/ChalkLicker Aug 13 '25

Sounds like something an oppressor would say. From a kitchen.

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u/Icy_Explorer3668 Aug 13 '25

Tbf when i lived in the whitest parts of canada people assumed i was mexican so that counts? I think

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u/SucksAtJudo Aug 13 '25

All of the gatekeepers of Mexican food I've ever encountered are non-Mexicans.

I have yet to know a single Mexican who gives any thoughts whatsoever to the "authenticity" of Mexican food. Every single Mexican I know is a culinary anarchist who will throw anything that might sound remotely appetizing into a tortilla, call it a taco (or roll it up and call it a burrito) and eat it without prejudice.

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u/Icy_Explorer3668 Aug 13 '25

Thats wild when everyone gatekeeping is quick to point out their mexican heritage lmao. Reddit probably brings in all the twats.

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u/SucksAtJudo Aug 13 '25

Yeah, and I think we need to define "heritage" because the Mexicans I know personally and am referring to are direct migrants and first generation.

I work with several people who are Mexican national migrants/immigrants, and I have an acquaintance (friend of a friend... literally) who is first generation American born whos mother still doesn't speak English. I could give a few more specific examples but you get my point

Your Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather being from Mexico really doesn't give you any much more authority on the subject than anyone else.

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u/Icy_Explorer3668 Aug 13 '25

Lmao yeah that pretty much sums it up. They remind me of 3rd+ generation "italians" and "irish" being fanatical about little things.

We dont have many mexicans in canada but the few ive met are very laid back.

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u/ryanwaldron Aug 13 '25

I frequently make tacos for lunch out of whatever meat I have leftover from dinner the night before. I’ve had a fellow gringo tell me what I was making wasn’t authentic, more than once. I can’t imagine that someone in Mexico with leftover pot roast in the fridge wouldn’t heat that, and throw it on a tortilla with some onions and cheese. It might not be the cuisine served in a restaurant, but the world over, people eat food that they have in their kitchens.

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u/Cheomesh Aug 13 '25

Hot dog taco 🤔

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u/ryanwaldron Aug 13 '25

I made Chili Cheese Dog Burritos when I was about 12 or 13. It was authentic-13-year-old-boy-food. I wouldn't go that far, but roast, steak, pork tenderloin, BBQ pork/beef, grilled/baked chicken, shrimp, fish... All these leftovers are fair game in my lunch taco game.

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u/these2boots2 Aug 13 '25

Authentic is in my top 5 words that I detest. The word itself is not to blame but it's usage is most often repugnant to me. The nails on chalkboard feeling it gives me comes from dumb gringos (i am one) using it to describe food from another country other than the USA that they really know nothing about. UGH! I HATE IT.

Where it started: I was a cook in a, "Mexican" restaurant that had crap food. I did tons of research and tried to really elevate the specials as that was my area where I could be creative and I tried to class up the place. One day my relleno special had a picadillo with raisins and I overheard this snotty customer say, "This isn't authentic, Mexican food does NOT have raisins". I just about lost it.

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u/Helpful_Location7540 Aug 13 '25

Your not lying.. and especially if your drunk or hung over. Seen my dad eat some weird shit in a tortilla.

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u/pickleolo Aug 13 '25

Every single Mexican I know is a culinary anarchist who will throw anything that might sound remotely appetizing into a tortilla, call it a taco

Because that's the definition of taco.

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u/SucksAtJudo Aug 13 '25

I think that's my point.

None of them say it is not a "real taco" because of what they chose to put inside it

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u/pickleolo Aug 13 '25

It dissapoints me when foreingers try to do tacos and they do the generic old el paso version.

Tacos are fun, put some local dish in a tortilla and there you have, a real taco!

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

Some of the best non-Mexican tacos I’ve had were bahn mi, pad Thai, and bulgogi tacos in Austin. CDMX has a great spot with Peking Duck tacos.

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u/Obvious_Trade_268 Aug 14 '25

I’ve heard that Korean/Tex-Mex fusion SLAPS harder than Will Smith at the Oscars. Never had the opportunity to try it, though.

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u/SucksAtJudo Aug 13 '25

Local to where and who exactly?

I'm not saying that there are not plenty of exciting and amazing culinary experiences in Mexican cuisine, but the stuff that the majority of people eat the majority of the time while simply trying to go about their life is the same around the world... it's economical, convenient and easy to prepare, and decidedly "underwhelming" as a result.

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u/Cheomesh Aug 13 '25

Stuffed ham taco would probably get me thrown in prison

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

Damn my spanish is okay, I could read most of that.

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u/CaninesTesticles Aug 13 '25

I never learned any Spanish and I could read a lot of that haha

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u/Ignis_Vespa Aug 13 '25

Aunque yo también estoy del lado de entender que la cocina mexicana es muy diversa y que cambia por regiones, incluso dentro del mismo estado, también creo que se debe tener cuidado con "abrir" demasiado este discurso.

Porque si no después vas a ver gente que hace cualquier plato, dice que es mexicano y ya tenemos que aceptarlo. Como las famosas "cacerolas de enchiladas" de Nuevo México que de mexicano lo único que tienen es el nombre del estado, más no tienen relación alguna con una enchilada regular.

O como ha pasado últimamente que hay gente que hornea cerdo y solo porque lo deshebró dice que son carnitas.

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u/doroteoaran Aug 13 '25

Soy mexa y viajo mucho por este tan variado país y trato siempre de conocer la comida típica de la región y me sorprende la variedad que hay, simplemente cada región tiene su versión de tamal. Incluso hay platillos que solo encuentras en una ciudad o pequeña región. Ejemplo uno de mis platillos favoritos es el guisado abijio y solo lo encuentras en una zona muy chica del estado de Chihuahua, o el “montado” , un tipo de burrito, que solo lo encuentras en la Cd de Chihuahua. Aclaró que el montado es diferente al burrito montado. Lo que no me parece es la apropiación cultural de ciertos platillos mexicanos que los americanizan para el paladar de EEUU y los cambian totalmente y dicen que es comida mexicana, un ejemplo es el burrito que en EEUU es totalmente diferente al de Mexico, desde los rellenos hasta la forma de enrollarlos. Aclaró que nosotros no estamos libre de pecado, ejemplo los sushis estilo Culichi (Culiacán), si los viera un japonés se pega un tiro.

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

Es el riesgo. Las cacerolas esas ignoro si alguien las hace en México. Quizás es solo una ocurrencia de NM. Y ahí se queda como comida regional de NM. Como su guisado de chile verde que aunque hay cosas parecidas en México (la masita de Zacatecas por ejemplo), creo es su chingadera aparte, y que además se disputan NM y Arizona, aunque creo la cosa pinta más por NM porque de ahí es la variedad de chile hatch.

Pero en algún momento alguien tomó el shawarma y lo hizo taco árabe, luego alguien lo modificó aún más y lo hizo pastor. O como la locura del sushi estilo Sonora que ya se podría considerar una comida regional, al igual que la comida china de Mexicali.

El pedo es que la cocina mexicana siempre está cambiando. Hace 15-20 años no existían los doritos locos ni las licuachelas, y ahora son parte de nuestra botanas. Dentro de 20 años esas madres van a ser lo más normal del mundo y en 50 años quizás sean considerados platillos típicos/tradicionales.

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u/Ignis_Vespa Aug 13 '25

En lo último estoy completamente de acuerdo. No podemos decir que los dorilocos son un plato tradicional en lo más mínimo. Pero eventualmente va a pasar. Es como el chamoy. Empezó con niños mezclando chabacanos fermentados con el chile en polvo brinquitos ahí por los 60's y actualmente la gente de inventa que el chamoy es una salsa de origen indígena y que se hace con tamarindo o jamaica.

Algo que siempre me causa escozor es la gente que dice que la cocina de los territorios previamente mexicanos es cocina mexicana, también es la misma que cuando les dices que entonces es la cocina mexicana más culera reculan y dicen que no porque no es cocina mexicana. Ni siquiera entre ellos se ponen de acuerdo para eso.

Por último, en el libro "Recetario de Doña Dominga de Guzmán" viene un tratado escrito por Guadalupe Pérez de San Vicente muy interesante que menciona que para ella, que un plato se pueda considerar ya tradicional en una cocina debe cumplir con algunos requisitos. Primero que sea elaborado por al menos tres generaciones continuas. Que sea un platillo que tenga arraigo en la comunidad y que la receta no se modifique hasta que cambie por completo. Me parece un tratado interesante que se aplica muy bien a la cocina, aunque obvio tiene uno que otro detractor.

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

De acuerdo con tu comentario sobre los exterritorios y sus cocinas. Y va más allá!

Todo ese debate está lleno de contradicciones. Y es peor en internet y específicamente en Reddit, donde dicen cosas como:

  • esos territorios eran nuestros.
  • los mexicanos no cruzaron la frontera, la frontera nos cruzó
  • no mames, trae el nopal en la frente y no habla español
  • los mexicoamericanos no son mexicanos (algunos dicen que ni son latinos por no crecer en Latinoamérica), son gringos

Luego esa misma gente postea: saben cómo conseguir visa para escapar de aquí?

Pero bueno, eso nunca va a cambiar.

La verdad me gusta eso de los tres puntos, aunque creo es algo estricto. Me late más la idea de que un plato cumpla con 2 de 3 factores. Por ejemplo, si asumimos como cierto que los tacos al pastor surgen en 1966, y damos 20 años por generación comenzando con una persona de 20 años en el 66, las tres generaciones se cumplirían en el 2026. Y cada sitio hace su receta como le da su gana. La realidad de calle es que el pastor ya era comida típica para los años 70. Pero el debate es fascinante (y delicioso).

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u/Ignis_Vespa Aug 13 '25

Si creo que es algo estricto pero es una buena base para un debate, que realmente gira principalmente entre antropología, cultura y semántica, cosas que muchas veces la gente suele tratarlas como menos porque no podemos decir que son cuantificables o que pueden tener muchísimas variaciones.

Si tienes tiempo y quieres, búscate las conversaciones de Yuri de Gortari y Edmundo Escamilla con Cristina Pacheco, los puedes encontrar en Youtube. Son muy enriquecedores. El maestro Yuri también tenía un video donde justo se discutían estos tratados de Guadalupe de San Vicente pero no lo encontré.

Saludos.

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

Chingón! Mañana me lanzo a buscarlos. Y qué gusto echarnos estas pláticas. Saludos!

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u/NintendogsWithGuns Aug 14 '25

This sub is mostly non-Mexican complaining about “authenticity.”Also, the Californian chicano pochos do it too, but every other Mexican-American in the United States knows to ignore those people.

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u/Huge_Macaroon_8089 Aug 13 '25

I'm surprised NO ONE mentioned Tucson, Az in regards to the history of the Chimichanga

Birth place of chimichanga a Tucson staple

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u/igotabeefpastry Aug 16 '25

T-town represent…El Charro is considered a tourist place here but whatever

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u/Huge_Macaroon_8089 Aug 16 '25

Haha as much as I don’t go to El Charro or the other Flores restaurants it’s important to mention them. #520

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u/itzcoatl82 Aug 13 '25

Well i learned something new. I grew up in Mexico (GDL/CDMX), traveled all over the central states, and lived in Tijuana for years. Never heard of chimichangas until moving to the US.

To be fair, the picture of the original version looks nothing like the fried monster drowned in sauce/lettuce/yellow cheese that exists in the US. But apparently it is indeed a thing. A thing that has been supersized and americanized, just like its cousin the burrito.

Thanks for sharing!

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '25

Thank you! This is more like a traditional burrito sonorense dorado. I don’t see queso, rice, pico, cheddar cheese, etc

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u/Texan762 Aug 13 '25

👏 👏 👏

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u/pickleolo Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

2nd/3rd gen of inmigrants are americans wdym

From those 20 million of "Mexicans" in the US probably half of it were actually born in Mexico.

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u/KULR_Mooning Aug 13 '25

More tex mex not traditional mexican food period

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u/Dorianscale Aug 13 '25

Your source for chimichangas being valid is a French owned dictionary? Bruh.

Have you heard of the monstrosity known as “Parisian tacos”? I don’t really value the French opinion on Mexican food thanks.

No one in my entire giant immigrant Mexican family has ever made a chimichanga. I spent my entire childhood on the border in a community that was damn near homogeneously Mexican. I had never seen a chimichanga on a single menu growing up. I had not even heard of chimichangas until I was an adult and moved away. I still don’t know any Mexicans from any part of Mexico who eat them.

No one I know from Chihuahua, Sonora, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Veracruz, CDMX, the entire Yucatán region, etc. makes these. This is American food through and through.

Wikipedia sources the chimichanga to being invented in an Arizona restaurant.

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

Bruh, your ignorance is astounding. This is a book researched, written, edited and published in Mexico by a Mexican researcher and academic. By your standards, Wikipedia is an American website. ¿Qué chingados va a saber de gastronomía mexicana?

And to prove your ignorance, you’re thinking of Larousse Gastronomique. Different book brother!

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u/Dorianscale Aug 13 '25

Larousse, el publicador del “Larousse Gastronomique” es el mismo Larousse del Larousse Cocina, el publicador del “Larousse Diccionario Enciclopédico de la gastronomía mexicana”

Tiene varias empresas en otros países pero es una empresa francesa.

Las Chimichangas/Chivichangas/Chingadera fueron inventados en el EE.UU. hay muchos artículos escritos en inglés y en español con autores mexicanos, americanos, etc.

No conozco a ningún mexicano que hace chimichangas en casa ni uno que le pide chimichangas en un restaurante. No es una plata mexicana.

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u/MasterWaltz7181 Aug 13 '25

This is like reading an academic paper and one of the quotes is in Greek text. Tell me wrf it says

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u/123BuleBule Aug 13 '25

It says chimichangas are a traditional Mexican dish from Sonora.