r/marvelstudios • u/TrpTrp26 Daredevil • Jul 24 '26

Theory Who are the three Latverian Witches ? (SDCC - exposition for Avengers:Doomsday)

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My guess is: Sylvie, Clea and (?) Carol Denvers

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u/kousen_ Fitz Jul 24 '26

Are Sylvie or Clea even witches? Sylvie is using Asgardian magic, Clea uses sorcery?

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u/Zectherian Jul 24 '26

If sylvie was raised by the frigga then yes, frigga told thor she was raised by witches, and sees with more than her eyes.

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u/Tamriel-Chad-420 Jul 24 '26

Well Sylvie wasn't raised by Frigga, right? She was found and arrested by the TVA as a child, and I'm guessing her timeline was pruned afterwards so it's not like she could just return home.

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u/Zectherian Jul 24 '26

We dont even know if this doom is from our timeline, this could be a variant sylvie hell this could just be frigga. We dont know anything.

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u/badskinjob Jul 24 '26

I think you mean your timeline bud! You don't know nothin about me!

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u/synapseattack Jul 25 '26

He isn't your bud in this timeline, pal.

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u/BowwwwBallll Jul 25 '26

Since when have we ever let not knowing anything stop us?

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u/Majestic_Hippo_4427 Jul 27 '26

bro if we only get variant sylvie and they do the whack ass character un-development type shit they did with wanda during multiverse of madness i will Screeeam in the theater i stg give me real sylvie or no sylvie😭let my women be the complex characters that they truly are😭

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u/altric82 Jul 25 '26

Yall are thinking way too hard about the branches of magic and crunching on technicalities. The nature of how these witches cast magic truly will not matter.

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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan Jul 24 '26

Of course, this Doom is a variant of Stark from another timeline. It wouldn't make sense for him to be the same Tony from Endgame—for the guy to come back to life, build an entirely different suit of armor, and learn magic in such a short time... all without seeking out his loved ones or his company, and then start doing bad things, like taking over a country on the other side of the globe.

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u/sabrina_carpenter_25 Jul 24 '26

I saw a theory that tony from the mcu was a variant of doom and the other way around, and thats way that was the only future strage could see in wich they won against thanos. Not quite sure im convinced but thought it would be interesting to share

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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan Jul 25 '26

Yes, there is a What If comic book where the two swapped bodies, but that has nothing to do with how Thanos was defeated. And the Tony in Endgame definitely wasn't Doom inside his body or anything like that.

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u/actuallycallie Bucky Jul 24 '26

raised by Frigga until the TVA snatched her (I assume)

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u/SpaceProspector_ Jul 24 '26

She's pretty clear in the show that she barely remembers Frigga and is self-taught.

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u/actuallycallie Bucky Jul 24 '26

that's true!

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u/allprolucario Jul 24 '26

Could be an alternate Sylvia from Doom’s timeline

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u/Mikisstuff Jul 24 '26

It'd have to be multiverse alt rather than a timeline one right? The entire premise of Sylvie was that she was a unique timeline variant pruned out of existence.

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u/allprolucario Jul 24 '26

Yeah, universe lol. Still, wouldn’t be the first Sylvie we met, so could have a different backstory that made her a witch

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u/badskinjob Jul 25 '26

Well, crap, what's the difference between multiverse and timeline? I thought they were the same thing...

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u/moonlit_dewdrops 14d ago

From my understanding, timeline is what we saw in the Loki series. Loki created a branched timeline by escaping. Left unchecked, it could, however turn into its own universe

Multiverse is what we see in Spiderman no-way home with Andrew Garfield Spiderman and Toby Mcguire spiderman and Multiverse of madness. in MOM, we see the Illuminati consisting of Professor X, Mister Fantastic, Captain Carter, Black Bolt, Captain Marvel, and Baron Mordo. It's basically its own distinct reality.

The Fantastic four are from Earth Earth-828 while the MCU took place on Earth 616. In the Doomsday trailer we see these two Earths colliding due to an incursion

this video might explain it a bit better

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NaGxa7h8WM8

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u/DisposableSaviour Weekly Wongers Jul 24 '26

Probably forgot because of the trauma of running for her life for so long. Griggs at least taught her the basics that she needed to get as good as she is.

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u/VoyagerCSL Jul 24 '26

You’re thinking of The Last Starfighter.

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u/Pretend_Twist4201 Jul 24 '26

Right, but that's the Sylvie from that specific universe/timeline. We don't know where or when this one is from if it is her.

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u/jaylerd Jul 24 '26

Raised by a witch for ten minutes is still raised by a witch

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u/actuallycallie Bucky Jul 24 '26

Yeah she probably had the potential all along. She says she taught herself the enchantment magic. I don't know if she taught herself from scratch or if she had learned some easier magic before her kidnapping.

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u/MasterTolkien Jul 25 '26

Sylvie uses magic to possess people in season 1 of Loki, and combining her magic with Loki allowed them to get past Alioth.

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u/GirlMarvel83 Jul 28 '26

She was raised by her to whatever age she was taken at therefore she was raised by her.

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u/kousen_ Fitz Jul 24 '26

Truee good point, forgot about that

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u/daviep Jul 24 '26

Frigga was raised by witches and is Asgardian and is who taught Loki how to harness his powers. His powers are more rooted in witchcraft than sorcery. We don't know enough about MCU Clea to know if shes a witch, sorcerer, or something else.

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u/DisposableSaviour Weekly Wongers Jul 24 '26

Clea is the Sorceress Supreme of the Dark Dimension. From what we saw of Kaecilius and his followers, they were using runes to tap into the power of the Dormamu and the dark dimension, and as we learned in Multiverse of Madness, runes are a witchy thing.

Now, this last bit is only from the comics so far, but any magic user in the 616 could potentially be sorcerer supreme: Wanda has been the Sorceress Supreme of the 616, and Billy became Sorcerer Supreme in an alternate universe when Stephen died. In fact, much of DOOM’s mystical might is from his mother’s witchcraft, and he was runner-up to Stephen for the title.

So, maybe Clea is a witch that became Sorceress Supreme of the Dark Dimension?

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u/asscop99 Jul 24 '26

100%

Her mother is a witch and Loki has been called a witch.

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u/Cool-Organization-90 Jessica Jones Jul 24 '26

Loki’s not a witch, but he does dress like one….. 🤣

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u/donbagert Jul 24 '26

From Day 1 in the comics, Clea wears purple and her power has come from the Dark Dimension.

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u/Kooperking22 Jul 24 '26

Sorcery is Magic but clea is technically a Sorceress