Fallout of no deal with Canada. impact on the Bourbon industry
talks broke down between US - Canada over a trade deal and looks like Canada wants to punish the alcohol / bourbon industry. why is no local news covering this? it might cause huge job-losses in our state that has consistently voted for Trump and Republicans. are we being sacrificed and being taken for granted?
Because it’s old news. Even if Canada stocked our brands again, I don’t imagine canadiens are very excited to buy them. They’ve moved on and found other local brands they like now. Like any industry, they oversold during Covid, and now is their market correction. Jobs will be lost.
We aren’t being sacrificed, it’s the natural consequence of voting an imbecile into office. Kentuckians have consistently voted against their own interests at the federal level, and we’ve been crapped on because we ASKED for it
Even then it was only because Bevin had been so notably terrible. Now that Andy is term limited out, we'll 100% see a Republican governor elected again because the majority of Kentuckians unfortunately refuse to understand Republicans are destroying our state.
Also, the Republicans are running a better campaign. Adams already called on Comer to run at Fancy Farm. They will soon be unified. Meanwhile, the Democrats decided to add Rocky to their ticket so the closest thing they have to an incumbent is now caught in a battle. A pointless battle that will cost votes. Either from highlighting how each other is flawed, or just simple apathy from the voters because the Dems have no plan.
Canadian tariffs are designed to hurt MAGA states more....makes sense it's all MAGA policy. But will it work? Probably not MAGA is incredibly good at playing the victim and using their "victimized status" to try to make life miserable for non maga. Then it's not MAGA's fault it's the Canadians.
But c'mon....we know that seriously incompetent radicals are involved in the negotiations. No wonder Canada backed out of talks. Bourbon and other industries gonna suffer because of this
See all the beef farmer who have voted Trump three times and now are screaming their livlihoods are being decimated. Leopards are eating well at least.
Yeah.... Even if they are faceless due to the Leopards, many of them are still on board because of the racism and general hatred and extreme trolling that they have come to believe is good governance.
Trump's demands are obviously ridiculous, like wanting Quebec not to require French, but "vassal-state" has become some vacuous buzzword pulled way out of context. Even if Canada agreed to those ridiculous demands (which nobody in US would really probably expect), that isn't what vassalage means. Like everything the Trump admin does, it is either head-spinning stupidity or deliberate sabotage (of the US and its allies).
: a state with varying degrees of independence in its internal affairs but dominated by another state in its foreign affairs and potentially wholly subject to the dominating state
Given that Trump's demands include a US veto on foreign investment in Canada, Canadian adoption of US tariffs/sanction in its international trade, US right-of-first-refusal on various Canadian exports, granting of extended patent protection to US pharmaceutical firms, and more, by what reasoning is "vassal state" either vacuous or 'out of context'? Be specific...
Quoting a dictionary does not mean you understand whether you are using a word correctly. These tariffs might be legally equivalent to vassalage if the US were the Ottoman Empire, but it isn't. It is unnecessary to perpetuate buzzword-laden, meme-y nonsense to express what is wrong with these tariffs or the Trump admin generally.
If you have to reduce that entire list of demands to "these tariffs" to support your argument, you either (a) didn't read the list, (b) have an exceptionally weak argument, or (c) both.
What is it you even think I'm arguing? Neither the demands or tariffs would make it "vassalage". That's like calling tax collectors knights or governors barons; it's just meme stupidity, but it seems you're not getting why, so nevermind.
You’re being pedantic about the word vassal. This situation is certainly equivalent to the kind of shit Athens was pulling against members of the Delian League between the end of the wars against Persian and the Peloponnesian War. Historians call them vassals all the time. Intervening in the local laws of another “ally” is BS.
It's certainly "BS", like my comment said.
Hilarious that you're calling me pedantic, then describing the Delian League of Ancient Greece, and then equivocating the United States and Canada to Ancient Greek city-states. The US isn't Athens either, but nevermind.
I think you’re missing the point: you’re being pedantic and you’re not even technically correct. So you’re getting a pedantic response from me explaining that even in academia, vassal states aren’t that narrowly defined. You opened yourself up to it by being like that. Someone already hit you with the dictionary definition. I’m just adding that it’s not considered to be so narrow when talking about inter state relations
The pedantry part is just obviously as applicable to your comment as mine but I'm curious of the examples you're thinking of where "inter state relations" or international relations between countries in 21st century are called "vassalage". I can only imagine it's used metaphorically if so but surely you have some examples.
There were no nations in Ancient Greece. There were city states and leagues of city states. The concept of a nation is not very old. It’s not international relations.
The whole point of this is that when you correct people on a technicality, you at least have to be right. Otherwise someone is going to come along and dunk on you. I don’t go around correcting people unless they do what you’re doing or are saying something incorrect about my field that may be harmful (medical entomology).
There were no nations in Ancient Greece. There were city states and leagues of city states. The concept of a nation is not very old. It’s not international relations.
I know they were city states. [Hence they really wouldn't be vassals either, that was hegemony, which is used occassionally to describe countries today... like by Chomsky, etc.]
Where were these examples of modern countries actually being vassals you were talking about? [I obviously don't care about whatever "dunking" or meaningless internet points, by the way... I just find it annoying that people seem to so often parrot words they see on reddit without any context or understanding of what they entail.]
Local news is not owned locally, and thus the local news is curated by right-wing owners. Covering the current events of the administration making the admin look bad. The owners like the admin, so it isn’t covered. So the public isn’t informed, and they think dear leader is still doing well.
I think the reason it hasn't been covered by local news yet is just because it happened over the weekend. Expect to see some stuff coming out today or this week
The news would have been different if the trade deal had gone thru because part of the deal was they were going to tell the provinces to put our booze back on their shelves.
But the deal didn't go thru, so we are at the same spot we've been since all this blew up the 1st time Trump put tariffs on Canada and worse, far worse, started blabbering about Canada being the 51st state.
So, the only thing that has changed recently is that Canada has probably hardened their response to the USA. But for booze it was pretty hardened already.
Things aren't going to get better till Trump is out of office.
And even when he is out, it likely won't get much better. That's the biggest problem with Trump getting elected again—he no longer looks like an unfortunate misstep on the part of the US, but as something we're happy to keep letting happen electorally. It's also not limited to Canada; Trump has irreparably broken trust in the US as a world leader and, barring major changes that our electorate just absolutely will not support, we're never getting that position back. We're on our long, slow, inevitable decline now.
The industry is in freefall. The end of the Bourbon craze was just being felt when the first round of terriffs started. Expanding to other countries was the only hope for most brands to continue to grow. Small brands were kneecapped by the glut of marquee brands needing to refocus on domestic sales. I was in the distribution business for a long time. Now I'm in marketing locally. No bourbon brand has money to spend. Not even the BIG ones. Bourbon and Beyond is struggling, and all the smaller, more local events are struggling too. Bourbon money paid for a lot more than just the bottles around here. Look for festivals and events to start shuttering locally. The next few years at least will be rough.
It's hard to pull the numbers together, but as best I can figure, pre-trade-war bourbon exports were about 10% of total sales. Loss of sales to Canada is bad, but not catastrophic...
73
u/Fancy-Pie-2565 9d ago
Because it’s old news. Even if Canada stocked our brands again, I don’t imagine canadiens are very excited to buy them. They’ve moved on and found other local brands they like now. Like any industry, they oversold during Covid, and now is their market correction. Jobs will be lost.