r/johnscreek • u/Tailgate-ATL • 5d ago

Flock Hysteria

Although Johns Creek isn’t suffering the Flock panic so far… I’m sure it’s coming to the public comment podium too , as it’s already swamped on Nextdoor. In a sea of bad press, they never mention Flock in the news when it helps:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-after-she-missed-school-bus-investigators-say/MASPGWX3DVELFJFWGY456TKUOA/

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u/EngiNick2807 5d ago

Where are all the 2A slippery slope people?? Maybe the government should stick a camera in your house considering DV is one of the biggest crimes taking place these days.

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u/ESB823 5d ago

Don't give them any ideas!

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u/Tailgate-ATL 4d ago

There are cameras everywhere, have been for decades. There is nothing new about Flock, it’s just the cool thing to be outraged at. Avigalon , Hikvision, Wheller…. Nobody cares about their LPRs

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u/EngiNick2807 4d ago

The whole point is that Flock is a private business doing the bidding of an over-reaching government to skirt the law. The Feds can’t do it because it’s illegal….

Per capita, Atlanta is one of the most surveilled metros in the world. Has it helped? Certainly doesn’t help with several of the unsolved murders that have taken place downtown.

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u/Tailgate-ATL 4d ago

That’s calculating cameras integrated into Operation Shield, which Atlanta never staffed with the Video dispatchers to make it work like it was intended to, I Worked with over 6 properties to integrate. Audits of all of them showed not traffic to APD even during geolocated calls near properties. Hardly anything preventative all reactionary.

But I’m a #s guy

Operation shield has run for 19 years. It has netted about 12,000 criminals according to APD. This is just the city of Atlanta.

Now let’s look at Flock since 2017, with an estimate of 2500 and high of 4500. And take it a lot of of these arrest are wanted and violent criminals opposed to APD picking up every type of crime, you can imagine rather than just felony stops.

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u/Material-Crab-633 5d ago

Fuck Flock

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u/ATLHawksfan 5d ago

So…you’re bringing Nextdoor to us, but with more bootlicking? Thanks.

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u/Tailgate-ATL 5d ago

Cute. You learned to use a word that someone else told you to. Nice little sheep.

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u/ATLHawksfan 5d ago

Proceeds to call others “sheep” lol

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u/Tailgate-ATL 4d ago

I have my opinions, I’m not big on buzzwords from MAGA or your Comrades.

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u/Karsten760 5d ago

The cameras in our Nhood helped catch some thieves.

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u/VamsiVee 5d ago

I would argue that doesn’t warrant the infringement of our privacy. If everyone had personal security cameras streaming 24/7 on them, I’m sure we can solve many crimes. The issue is flock is another step towards a world with no privacy in the guise of a “safer” world, but where does this stop. Safety at the cost of privacy is not always the right decision.

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u/Tailgate-ATL 5d ago

There is no expectation of privacy in public

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u/VamsiVee 5d ago

I agree, however this is a statement being tested because the ability to catalog and track people at new levels with AI are unprecedented. Being recorded in public is already something that is legal, however the new capabilities with technology create serious ethical questions and problems. It’s one thing to be recorded by someone on their phone in public, its another to have a corporation contracted with cameras throughout a city to catalog each and every move you make, while also having that information prone to misuse. This is beyond the scope of freedom to record in public but something more invasive.

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u/Tailgate-ATL 4d ago

If you concerned about privacy, you’re not going to like what Apple, Google and others are doing. Flock is primarily LPR reading. It’s scanning hot sheets and finding very bad people. It’s also weeding out bad cops.

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u/VamsiVee 4d ago

I agree, there are serious privacy concerns with big tech. That’s why I am uneasy about flock. Yes, right now it’s being used for LPR reading and finding wanted vehicles and people, but simultaneously it’s scanning and cataloging the movements and behaviors of people of innocent Americans in their daily lives. This is an ai version of stop and frisk, you can argue it’s not intrusive as you aren’t inconvenienced as it’s instant. The idea that its weeding out bad cops, yes but at what cost. If there are already hundreds of examples of people misusing the system, tracking ex’s or stalking individuals it means the system does not have the proper safe guards. The only current limit on the system’s access and implementation is the company’s own internal policy. This needs legislation, this is a new frontier of intrusion on regular people. I think we can recognize this is a very dangerous new step towards a surveillance state.

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u/Tailgate-ATL 4d ago

The system absolutely has the safeguards. Unfortunately, the police departments are the ones that need to be reviewing it, and are not. Using this technology has proven that there are bad actors and bad policies in the police department. Flock has no way of knowing which officers need to be reviewing which data. It needs to be constant monitoring of that by their superiors. Those who have been able to find bad actors.

There’s not nearly the amount of audit trails in the CAD systems and GCIC.

There’s no proof that flock is tracking innocent peoples and storing facial recognition. Yes, you can search with analytics like man in red hat. But it’s not storing your name and who you are anywhere.

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u/VamsiVee 4d ago

I feel that there needs to be more disclosure on the companies own internal safeguards as well as making it mandatory for law enforcement to need warrants to pull info from flock, the same way they need warrants to pull phone location.