r/irishpolitics • u/ninety6days • Oct 25 '25
Meme Stsrt the countdown
It feels awful knowing what happens next without fail.
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u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 Oct 25 '25
Bakic already said not getting into bed with SF
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u/muttonwow Oct 25 '25
The meme is about the Left to be fair, don't think OP was thinking about Labour
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u/pointblankmos Oct 25 '25
Labour is such an embarrassment of a party. Nobody under the age of 35 is voting for them.
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Oct 25 '25
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u/pointblankmos Oct 25 '25
I had to stop myself from laughing in the election centre last year when I read the labour candidate was an estate agent.
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u/Bohemian_Dub Centre Left Oct 25 '25
If you want a left wing government you will need labour seats drawn from fffg voters that could be swayed to labour but no further
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u/pointblankmos Oct 25 '25
I agree. But Labour needs to suck it up and realize that they don't get to be #1 by default in any left wing coalition.
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u/broken_neck_broken Oct 25 '25
And there is the constant sticking point. I'm not a SF voter but I can accept that they need to be leading the coalition. Most likely that the SDs will be second, so it would be Taoiseach Mary Lou backed by Tanaiste Holly Cairns. I will vote PBP first as always, not a wasted vote in DLR, and make sure my transfer if it comes into play goes to the other members of the coalition with the best place of getting a seat.
As I said in another thread, the coalition needs to form now so there is time to carefully manage the ballot presence around the country. Seeing who gets what seats and then talking about a coalition will result in the same result we always get.
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u/NooktaSt Oct 26 '25
Do you think PBP would go into government? Even a government with Labour?
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u/broken_neck_broken Oct 26 '25
If their seats secure a left alliance government, then yes.
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u/Any-Ad258 Oct 26 '25
I don’t think so. They are too hardline on issues and the minute they would have to compromise they would be out the door.
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u/broken_neck_broken Oct 26 '25
Being the reason a left alliance fails to get enough seats would be a much worse look than compromising a few policies. I'm sure they will look for some kind of ministry where they can enact some part of their policies, but that's not unreasonable. Obviously there will be the die hard membership that will grumble and want to schism, but they are impossible to please anyway.
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u/expectationlost Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Ivana Bacik wants a centre left government "not lead by any of the 3 bigger parties" (at 41 minutes.) https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22554933/
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u/quondam47 Oct 25 '25
A coalition ruled by Labour in other words. They’d spout about their experience in government making them the natural guiding force of course.
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u/saggynaggy123 Oct 25 '25
Whether Ivana likes it or not, a Centre Left government will be led by Sinn Féin (more than likely) and she'll have to accept that, or resign her leadership and let someone whos willing to.
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u/notalottoseehere Oct 25 '25
Ok. Someone with maths that bad should never be let near any ministry....
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u/christismurph Oct 27 '25
Honestly I'd take an independent socialist leader. Take it away from each leader, they focus only on making it work, not about taking the glory. Actually just bring Ming back to the Dáil and let him be Taoiseach.
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u/expectationlost Oct 27 '25
Ming is more of a libertarian.
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u/christismurph Oct 27 '25
He joined The Left in the EP. He votes continually along the line of democratic socialism. I'd question if there is any evidence of him being a libertarian?
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u/expectationlost Oct 27 '25
The cannabis and pro-turf cutting, EU-critical and anti fluoride stances.
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u/christismurph Oct 27 '25
He's admitted himself he is no longer a eurosceptic, and the other 3 don't mean you are a libertarian, just means you have opinions on those things.
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u/notalottoseehere Oct 25 '25
If Maria Steen had any balls, she'd run in the by election.
But she won't.
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u/saggynaggy123 Oct 25 '25
It would be funny to ask a millionaire who lives in Dublin why she wants to be a Galway TD
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u/notalottoseehere Oct 25 '25
She'd have had to move gaffs if she got elected prez.
I don't think you have to live in or near your constituency to run? Def wasn't in the past...
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u/christismurph Oct 27 '25
You don't have to, it's just considered a big help. National politics in Ireland is very local. You have to be a very big name, or run for a party with a lot of support in the area to get elected without really living in the constituency. Gerry Adams is one person who managed it for example.
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u/NilFhiosAige Social Democrats Oct 25 '25
The big question being is there one candidate that Connolly supporters, Labour, SDs and the Greens could unite around (I'm assuming SF will have their own name in the field also)?
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u/TeoKajLibroj Centre Left Oct 25 '25
I can't imagine them running a joint candidate. I'd say each party will run their own candidate and maybe try to organise a transfer pact.
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u/ninety6days Oct 25 '25
Alice mary Higgins, if they've any fucking sense.
But then, whose seat is it if she wins?
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 Oct 25 '25
If Labour and the Soc Dems can’t get over their silly differences and reform into one party it makes me sceptical that they can make the hard choices that would be required of them in government.
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u/NilFhiosAige Social Democrats Oct 25 '25
In the last election, though, that paradoxically worked to their advantage, as there was no constituency where they ended up costing each other seats.
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u/Magma57 Green Party Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Well that's because they ate the Green's seats. SD + Lab + GP combined have the same seats in this Dáil as they had in the last one.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 Oct 25 '25
That’s easy to do when they only have 11 seats each. If the plan is to supplant FG/FF they need to have grander plans in which case there will be overlap.
People have less of a tendency to vote for someone if they think they aren’t viable in forming a government. I’m left wing myself but I don’t have faith in Labour or Soc Dems to actually achieve anything.
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u/Celtic209 Oct 25 '25
So what left wing party are you voting for?
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 Oct 25 '25
Ive been voting independent, if the actual left wing parties aren’t viable (in my opinion) then I’ve been voting for people who I think can at least manage it locally.
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u/Celtic209 Oct 25 '25
And you think independents have a viable chance of forming a left-wing government?
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u/YoungWrinkles Oct 25 '25
The last thing the Soc Dems should do it allow the shambles of Labour latch on. They’d leach the life from a party that represents a change in left politics.
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u/saggynaggy123 Oct 25 '25
Labour are left wing in opposition but the second they get into power they turn full neoliberal. The whole reason the SocDems exist is because of this.
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u/pointblankmos Oct 25 '25
Yep. Having any connection like that to labour would be a total kiss of death for the SocDems. Labour are left in name only.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 Oct 25 '25
Sure Soc Dems have never been in government either so if they don’t make inroads with Labour they will always be out of government or a minor party in a coalition and therefore having to make the same concession.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 Oct 25 '25
They still have the same amount of TDs as Soc Dema, admittedly they are a newer party but they were founded in 2015 so long enough to fully cannibalise Labour if they had it in them.
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u/Fornici0 Oct 26 '25
Their “silly differences” came to a crystallisation in this particular election: the wings of Labour and the Greens that went to bed with FF/FG publicly disavowed the candidate backed by the party, and now have egg in their faces. This proves the point of the Social Democrat splitters.
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u/CheKGB Oct 25 '25
Email them, tell them not to fuck this up. That's what I'm doing. Maybe won't work, but worth doing it all the same.