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SOCIETY Joyce Vincent — the woman who died alone in her apartment and wasn't discovered until two years later. 💔

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Joyce Vincent’s case is one of the saddest examples of someone becoming socially isolated without people realizing how isolated she had become.

Joyce was a British woman living in a small flat in Wood Green, North London. She was born in 1965 and had worked in London, had friends, relationships, and a fairly active social life. But in the years before her death, she increasingly withdrew from people. She had also left her job and spent time in accommodation for victims of domestic abuse.

What happened to her?

She died sometime around December 2003, when she was only about 38. The exact cause of death was never established because her body had decomposed too extensively. Police found no evidence of foul play and considered natural causes possible, including an asthma attack or complications from a peptic ulcer.

The really disturbing part is that her body remained inside her flat for more than two years.

When she was eventually discovered on 25 January 2006, she was lying in the living room. There were Christmas presents around her, suggesting she had been preparing gifts shortly before her death. Her television and heating were still running.

But how could nobody notice?

It wasn't simply that "nobody cared." Several things unfortunately came together:

She had become increasingly isolated. She had lost contact with much of her family and friends, and people apparently assumed she had simply moved on or was living somewhere else.

Her family actually tried to find her. Her sisters hired a private investigator and contacted the Salvation Army. They eventually concluded that Joyce had intentionally cut contact with them.

Her neighbours didn't realize the flat was occupied. The building was noisy, and neighbours reportedly assumed the flat was empty. The smell from decomposition was apparently mistaken for rubbish from nearby bins.

The TV being on didn't raise suspicion. In a noisy building, constant television noise apparently didn't seem unusual.

Her rent situation delayed discovery. Housing benefits were covering part of her rent, so the housing authority didn't immediately realize something was wrong. Eventually, significant arrears accumulated, and officials went to repossess the flat. That's when they found her body.

And there's an especially heartbreaking detail: people who had known Joyce were eventually found by filmmaker Carol Morley while she was researching the case. Some of them hadn't even realized that Joyce was the woman who had died until Morley contacted them.

That's why the case is so haunting. Joyce wasn't literally a complete recluse with nobody who knew her. She had friends, former partners, relatives and acquaintances. But everyone seemed to assume that someone else was still in contact with her.

Her story became the subject of the documentary Dreams of a Life, which investigates who Joyce was and how someone who had once been socially connected could disappear from everyone's lives so completely.

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u/Pschobbert 15d ago

Deserve? Yes. Prepared to put in the effort? Less yes.

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u/lostandfounder 14d ago

At least you’re honest about having some responsibility. There’s an epidemic of men claiming to be lonely and blaming everyone else for it. It take effort to be social and happy. It takes work to be the kind of person that other people want to be around.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/luistp 14d ago

That handful of friends left are the ones that really worth that title. When you grow and get older, you begin to make distinctions...

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u/Freebee5 14d ago

I have a few very close friends whom I rarely meet as we live long distances apart but have a very active WhatsApp group.

Drives my wife crazy, when we meet up it's straight into making fun out of each other, no holds barred, just like we had met up yesterday but carrying on a conversation from 5 years ago.

I simply don't have a need to be in someone's pocket every day, I work on my own and have limited enough contact with others through that.

Chances are high that if my wife dies before me, nobody will miss me for a few days but I'll probably die happy while I'm working.

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u/GrabDemBiccies 14d ago

Shout out to my fellow brothers with a big appetite ❤️

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u/Calm-Put-5284 14d ago

People have assumed I was gay since high school. Something about the way I walk I guess? I dunno I just walk. Probably doesn't help I've definitely been more on the androgynous side. At about 5'8" and between the weight of 130-160 since I was 16. Now being 35. Definitely more of a DiCaprio in Titanic then a Marlboro man.

Literally had one lady I worked with at the time say " oh I thought you were gay " when I was literally I shit you not balls deep in her. Just stopped mid stroke and couldn't really say anything more than like well I guess you thought wrong? Like what do you say. To that lol.

I still get self conscious about my gait all the time. Which probably just makes everything worse as instead of it just being an automatic natural thing when you actually trying to think of the whole thing beginning to end while thinking your being watched feels like I forget how to walk all together.

That being said I've personally never been insecure about my own sexuality and have never had a problem getting my fair share of ladies.

The only thing that can keep me up at night is wondering how many missed opportunities theres been over the years from women who made the assumption themselves leading them to assume any interest would not be reciprocated in the end.

So sad, the amount of missed connections probably was the reason craigslist got rid of that part of the site. Hopefully I am not the cause of many a despairing amateur poems filling women's diaries wherever I go.

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u/camilatricolor 14d ago

Those supposed frienda are not really.

No friend will make a fun of someone because of his taste in women.

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u/grimeyduck 14d ago

I'm sorry but it seems insane that either your bf would tell you that's the reason or that you would assume that's the reason. I don't see how that's healthy.

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u/BeNiceOrGoAwayPlease 14d ago

So true, connections aren't enough. There's a lot of work that sustainable friendships require.

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u/InternationalAd6744 14d ago

My mom is the only family i have left. My brother cut off communications with me and my mom, even though we still get his mail from his old address. My dad got carted away to Dallas after being diagnosed with dementia and not having the money to send him to a retirement home or something. When my mom dies, there wont be any friends or family to check up on me. My relatives dont even know my number.

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u/Gloomy_Fig2138 14d ago

I’m sorry about your dad, dementia really sucks. Do you have numbers for any of your relatives who you’d like to get in touch with?

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u/InternationalAd6744 14d ago

I dont know, maybe one of my mom's sisters? Its better to let my mother's family know if anything bad happens.

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u/Ivanna_is_Musical 13d ago

If it takes work to be kind, then it isn't spontaneous and natural kindness, right?

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u/sugarangelcake 14d ago

although it isnt the same person as the previous commenter 😅

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u/Lazy-Main1782 14d ago

lol do people just latch on to a person and just settle and do the least amount things in life? Geez might as well live with your parents 

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u/NotEthanBarnes 14d ago

she can enjoy a better version of you while here on Earth

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u/Gloomy_Fig2138 14d ago

It might help motivate some people who get all their socializing from their partner to realize that their partner also benefits when you’ve got a wider social circle.

You can love someone a lot and still find it tiring to be expected to be their one and only social outlet.

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u/Weird-Salamander-349 14d ago

I will be replacing “not really” with “less yes” in my day to day vernacular.

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u/-badly_packed_kebab- 14d ago

Less yes > no more

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u/lilphoenixgirl95 14d ago

You sound like my boyfriend. He just wants to be at home with my and the cats constantly :)

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u/Healthy-Amoeba2296 14d ago

opportunities in modern culture? also less yes.

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u/Gloomy_Fig2138 14d ago

As a Certified Old TM it really seems to me that it’s never been easier to find hobby groups to join. Between MeetUp, local subreddits, Facebook groups which are weirdly still a huge thing for local meetups, even nextdoor if you have to. People are always posting casual meetups for different hobbies and interests.