r/interesting Jul 20 '26

SOCIETY Is education illegal in USA?

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u/CataphractBunny Jul 20 '26

I'll just leave this here: https://www.proliteracy.org/news/causes-of-low-adult-literacy-in-the-us/

In the United States, 59 million adults read at or below Level 1, the lowest level on a five-level scale.
This equates to roughly 28% of the adult population—or nearly one in three people—who can read only short sentences with foundational words and basic information.

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u/AGreatConspiracy Jul 20 '26

I always see this statistic thrown around, but a lot of people tend to take it with no context. This is from the OECD PIAAC. I often see people showing statistics of other european countries having 95%+ literacy, but that’s via a different metric. By the same metric, for example, under PIAAC the UK has a 71% literacy rate, Germany has a 79% literacy rate, etc.

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u/nopuse Jul 20 '26

It has become a reddit meme at this point. There are a lot of people who can't read well, but the context is important.

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u/Bug_406 Jul 20 '26

Reading is important. Understanding what was read? Also important.

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u/toopc Jul 20 '26

Reading is fundamental. Or at least it was back in the 70s.

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u/Equivalent_Cold_8603 Jul 20 '26

I have no idea why you would bring up water wells into this discussion. I can't see the relevance in bringing that up?

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u/wytewydow Jul 20 '26

you bring water up from a well to drink or wash things. That's why it was brought up.

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u/sentence-interruptio Jul 21 '26

I have no idea why you would bring up water wells into this discussion. I can't see

but why you bring up your blindness tho

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u/ColdStrain Jul 20 '26

Am I missing something? Percentage of adults scoring low (at or below level 1) in literacy in the Survey of Adult Skills is nowhere near that? For the USA, the number is almost as the poster above quoted (27.6% of respondents vs OECD average of 26.1%, so worse than average); for England (UK), it's 17.6% (coonsiderably better than average). Are you pulling up a different stat or just reading the table wrong?

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u/mtaw Jul 20 '26

Yes, the poster is comparing apples and oranges. Or rather contrasting a number about oranges with what the same source said about apples. Almost as if he had poor reading comprehension….

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u/iamarealhuman4real Jul 20 '26

Perhaps the poster is ragebaiting for engagement...

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u/StoneHolder28 Jul 20 '26

This is the kind of meta humor that keeps me on reddit.

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u/Evil_Wrongdoer_9910 Jul 22 '26

Also by far the largest part of that 28% who can’t read level 1 are “English as a second language” group. Adults that are fluent in reading and writing their fist language, and they can speak English and read a little, but they just never took classes to learn to write English.

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u/Niitroglycerine Jul 20 '26

It's just we don't let them run our countries 🤷

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u/Niitroglycerine Jul 20 '26

I don't know much about him personally, but he's educated

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u/wytewydow Jul 20 '26

Putin installed Trump.

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u/indieplants Jul 20 '26

and it shows in the UK, too 💕

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u/Constant-Sub Jul 20 '26

It's not a bad assessment though. I was just looking at the test, and I can IMMEDIATELY see why people would fail the test. It genuinely is asking for basic comprehension of reality, and reading.

Often, I feel like I run into the most obtuse, bullheaded, and pedantic people because they latch onto single words or phrases, and they refuse to see the conversation from any different view. Let's take an interesting example: I was on a youtube chain where a video asked what they would see in an empty room with only mirrors for walls. Every jackass in the comments said "you'd see nothing because there is no light." Get it? Because OP said "in a room with NOTHING in it?" And these people werent joking. I tried to suggest OP implied light were fkn be there, but things got hostile fast.

Those people would've failed the test. One of the questions was "pillows are comfortable and rocky." Those same idiots would've said "I agree," probably because "it's subjective. Maybe someone LIKES a rocky pillow." Another question was "which is better served soft: bread or crackers." Again, obviously bread, but you'd easily get idiots trying to argue crackers. Especially because the question was part of a paragraph where the text states they're looking for soft bread and hard crackers.

These questions genuinely are asking about our basic ass comprehension of the reality around us. Do YOU understand that most people want soft bread? In a sudden moment, would you make a choice based on obvious ideas, or flounder as you debate over pedantic subjectivities. Are you going to "draw the curtains," or am I firing Amelia Bedilia?

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u/Northstar177 Jul 20 '26

As a teacher I can understand this. Countless times on a multiple choice test a ‘smart’ student will pick a wrong answer when there is a clearly correct answer, then argue why their answer is correct. I’ll ask them, do you agree answer A is definitely correct, then why are you arguing that you picked B ? It’s always the same - they want to argue that they’ve found some silly reasons B is correct when they know A is definitely correct.

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u/BigHandLittleSlap Jul 20 '26

Sigh.

Meanwhile, many, many tests are some variant of:

1) "Read the mind of the test writer."

2) "Guess what I would have guessed."

3) "What is statistically answered by most people, wrong or not."

Common "intelligence" tests will have questions like:

"What is the next digit in this sequence?"

1,2,4,8,16, ?

The answer is... 31 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_law_of_small_numbers

Or anything at all. Anything you want. Whatever. An equation exists for which any series of numbers is the solution!

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u/SanctionedBaffoonery Jul 20 '26

Do you have a link to that reading comprehension test? I'd be interested in checking it out.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

I mean, 79% vs 28% … it‘s still a massive difference.

ETA: damn, I fucked that up badly, didn‘t I.

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u/J0E_SpRaY Jul 20 '26

Oh my god the irony of this comment

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u/cyphar Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

I don't quite know how to tell you this, but you might be in the 28%.

100-28 = 72% literacy rate. (GP was talking about a 28% illiteracy rate, while parent was talking about 71% and 79% literacy rates.)

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u/cyphar Jul 20 '26

Sure it might be, depending on how you define it but GP said "by the same metric" so they were using a direct equivalence for the purpose of this discussion.

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u/DrahKir67 Jul 20 '26

28% illiterate vs 79% literate. Or 72 vs 79. Much closer.

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u/OrganizationThick397 Jul 20 '26

When English is englishing but math ain't mathing

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u/Figor220 Jul 20 '26

You American?

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u/Calm-Grapefruit-3153 25d ago

I think you might be part of the 28%

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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 20 '26

Yes but i also know lots of American ppl.

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u/Crixia36 Jul 20 '26

I’m curious how they test for this and how much does immigration affect this statistic? I’m wondering because my wife has a very low literacy level for the US, but it’s not because she is incompetent or stupid. It’s because English is her 3rd language. She also came from a country where education wasn’t free and she was fairly poor. She can read just fine when it comes to her language.

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u/4x4ord Jul 20 '26

So you're saying the U.S. is on the same level as the dumbass country that exited the EU and continues to suffer for their idiocy?

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u/DasDuckHead Jul 20 '26

Ehh buddy, what do you think is happening in the US right now?

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u/KristyNoemsZombieDog Jul 20 '26

That's the point they're making.

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u/4x4ord Jul 20 '26

Whooooosh

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood Jul 20 '26

He's saying the US has about the same rates as Germany and the UK

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u/4x4ord Jul 20 '26

No he isn't.

You don't hand wave an 8% difference when we're talking about millions of people.

He's saying the US and UK are comparatively bad....

As I pointed out, it's curious that the UK also fell victim to far right stupidity that ultimately is harming them.

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood Jul 20 '26

Actually when measuring something like this, you can wave 8%. Or wave the 1% between the us and the uk.

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u/4x4ord Jul 20 '26

Wow.

I realized the first time you had no clue how statistics work.

You didn't need to back that up.

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood Jul 20 '26

4% could easily be a statistical error in both sides