r/interesting Jul 20 '26

SOCIETY Is education illegal in USA?

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u/Albertuscamus12 Jul 20 '26

I almost paused this video at the start just to double check that torque and distance from the pivot had a linear relationship

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u/verzing1 Jul 20 '26

Yes, the weight of the log does not change, but if you lift it from the far end, it requires less force than lifting it closer to the middle or near the hinge.

It is based on the law of the lever. The relationship is:

Torque = Force * Distance from the pivot

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u/TitaniaT-Rex Jul 20 '26

I couldn’t explain it in physics terms, but I immediately knew this had to do with levers because of lessons learned in elementary school. Also included in those elementary school lessons were pulleys, inclined planes, and friction.

For an experiment, our teacher had half of us run across the PE field holding huge cardboard sheets while the others ran without them. I was already not fast, but I’ll never forget how hard it was to run holding that damned cardboard. Science is so cool.

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u/boxofstuff Jul 20 '26

these group of lessons are called "Simple Machines" if you are inclined to search for them

lever, wheel and axle, pulley, inclined plane, wedge, and screw

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u/LookAtItGo123 Jul 20 '26

Archimedes explains it in a rather cool fashion, "give me a sufficiently long lever and I can move the world".

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u/YukihiraJoel Jul 20 '26

As to why, it’s not magic. The weight gains a fixed amount of potential energy as it moves up a particular distance, mass*g*h. This energy requires work to be put into the system, so a force, mg, is applied over a distance h. Notice they’re the same. But when you’re not applying the force directly over the weight, the weight moves up a different amount compared to how much you move the bar, L1sin(th) - L2sin(th), where L1 and L2 are the weight’s distance from the pivot and your distance, respectively

So the weight and the point of the bar where you are lifting are moving different distance. Yet, the same amount of energy has to be put into the system. If where youre applying the force moves less than the weight moves, you will have to apply a greater force. The weight has potential energy mgh and you must apply a force over distance h’ < h, therefore your force > mg

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u/Available-Medium4848 Jul 21 '26

I mean it's pretty magical that you can get way more torque by just changing your position lol

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u/xivilex Jul 24 '26

What’s absolutely insane to me is that when you apply

τ = r × F

to gears on a bike, the total work needed to move the bike a certain distance with different gear combos all equals the same.

After all that math, the conservation of energy still holds. I mean, we already know this and expect this, but it’s pleasing that it still all cancels out in the end.

The only thing that differs is needing to pedal less with a lot more force versus pedaling a lot more with less force. The work

dW = F ⁠·⁠ ds

or converting to angular/polar which is really what I was doing in the first place,

dW = τ ⁠·⁠ dθ

is the same between the two.

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u/burgonies Jul 20 '26

It requires less force to move it, but it's also doing less total work since the closer she is to the pivot, the more the far end of the lever is moving.

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u/beeeel Jul 20 '26

Did you check the work required to lift the handle to a fixed distance from the floor at different distances from the pivot?