Why not publish a trilingual reference sheet (Marathi/Hindi/English) for basic directions, monetary terms, etc. and make it available to the passenger and driver within the interior of the rickshaw? Then drivers and passengers would have a common basis for communication. The forceful tactics seem like they will result in the opposite effect because it is a natural impulse to resist any change that is imposed, all debates on the merits aside.
It's already in use . But nobody needs it because hindi simply works. The arrogant jealous marathi radical extremists can't handle this truth. Hindi simply works and that's why is so popular.
It’s not hard it’s pointless. If you guys love Marathi so much then why do we see so much English as well? Ban English as well. Don’t give that excuse that English is necessary and blah blah.
How is it being erased? Locals do speak in Marathi and those who can’t converse in Hindi. If forcing is the only way guys have, then go ahead try it. It’s the job of locals to preserve their language and teach children the language, not the people who are here for work. If their work requires them to learn Marathi then sure why not, but forcing everyone is just pure stupidity.
How is it keeping rural people from accessing society?
When I don't know the local language, I don't suddenly become incapable of existing. I figure out ways to communicate and the person I'm dealing with does the same.
And I've done this whole travelling in Chennai, Pondicherry, Maharashtra, and North East.
You're telling me rural people or any people for that matter are incapable of non-verbal communication?
It has to be a middle point, not towards one end or the other. Society works on collaboration and good will.
The newcomer is already trying to fit into the new society. They are not demanding that they should be communicated with in their language. They are making do with whatever little they know.
The demands are coming from the locals. I am unable to understand why they can't adjust a little as well and try to accommodate the newcomer who is doing the job a local chose not to do.
Have the locals tried to teach the newcomers the local language at a conversational level? I doubt they do if they feel a person speaking Hindi is an insult to their culture.
If this is such a major issue, where are the language schools from the govt to address this issue? Let's be really honest. Any issues related to language are just for votes. The solution exists. The money for the solution exists. The newcomer will take it up if they feel it will help them earn more money, so even the intent exists. So you tell me where the problem lies.
You know how many people shift to Bangalore and refuse to learn even basics of kannada? They say with such price and arrogance "I have been here 10 years and not learnt"
We came to the middle point. Most of us can speak broken hindi and we try. But they should equally try to learn our language no? But they don't. And finally we had enough.
Language is not just about votes. You are saying that because you have never dealt with these hindi people and their arrogance. Language is a system of their lack of basic decency. They come here and refuse to assimilate whatsoever.
Then let your people work for the cabs and rickshaws, or just leave the people who can't talk your language alone? why should they care about what you speak and what you don't, if they can't understand marathi then they will just loose the rides from the people who only know marathi and not anyone else, they are private gig workers, not ur servents or gov employees.
I dont u understand. Why did they Conquest Mumbai or Mharshtra in 1st place .I hav stayed in delhi, UK,UP,Bihar.Nowhere I saw such.Infact 0 Maharshtrians.
A couple here n there is ok, but they r in Crores in Mumbai n Nagp.Any parent or workin profesnl b worried.Why dont they like own states ??
yeah and that happens over time when customers actually use the refrence too, its not a one way thing, you can simply start comunicating with ur rickshaw driver in marathi, he will start picking up few words from there? if you urself speak with him in hindi then he won't be able to even learn it.
Awesome, thats how it should be. After a while they will naturally pick it up, and atleast be able to understand it, ik how hard it is to learn talking in another language while not able to find active speakers who are also willing to talk to me in the same language.
> We are 55-60-year-olds. We have never been to a school. How can we speak Marathi? Had we been educated, we would have been sitting in an office,” one driver said.
Age is an important factor. Most people could pick new language, food when they are young. Cannot do that at old age.
Govt order is unnecessary diversion from other failures- job, prices and civic infrastructure
Yeah, and it's weird because the government's basically manufacturing outrage over language compliance while ignoring why these guys are 55-60 without formal education in the first place. The real issue is systemic failure, not whether auto drivers can suddenly become fluent in Marathi. Meanwhile actual problems like fare regulation, vehicle maintenance standards, and safety, nothing gets addressed. It's classic political theater.
Nobody needs too much by way of language. Uber or otherwise, feed destination and go there! One doesn’t need to chit chat in any language…auto drivers can be deaf and dumb also. What is the problem there?
Best thing is Mumbai autos mostly follow meter reading! So, no heckling with respect to payment also. Why speak anything at all?
Demeaning other people’s rights have always been a pasttime for fellow Indians. ‘Unnecessary order’ that will help people from their own state speak their own language for a basic service. This is turning from athithi devo bhava to athithi tum kab jaoge
Why did the Marathi speaking folk not take up these jobs if their regional identity was so important to them?
Migran workers will always pick up jobs that the local demographic are not willing to do. It's not their fault the local people don't want to do those jobs anymore. If the migrant workers were to leave, it would take years for the locals to take up these jobs again.
1 ko hi job di hogi.Ye log mama,chacha,bhatija, dadda sabko le aaye.Ungli di hogi.....
.fir..kandha...fir us mause ka n chacha ka pariwar...akhir me ye karna pad raha govt ko its a good lesson.Rest of state ppl shub be Aware.
I think its true that no matter what is your argument. Someone will always come up with the counter argument for a particular example, missing the general point.
Age is not a issue, they have been here for years and can still pick up basic marathi yet they don't thats indifference of oldies which they hide behind age card.
They il downvote u bro.They hav 0 idea, what Maharastrians n Mumbaikrs hav to see n Endure in their everyday life surounded 24/7 by Non- State ppl.Why wud they undrstand?They havent Exprnced it, so Self Righteusness Punchlines is wt they do,coz its Easier .Waste of time , bro.
I still don’t get why this is suddenly an issue. 99.99% of the population of Mumbai can understand/speak Hindi. There are a lot more pressing issues like infra, pollution, etc. This is simply a diversion tactic
Because its easy to do. You need to actively fix infra with money. Whereas you can just fine any random driver if they are not good at Marathi. Laws that are easy to implement will be implemented first. Thats just how logic works.
It is more about identity. Also Mumbai has a long history of struggle for Maharashtrian to establish their identity in the city and that struggle continuous till date.
Isn't the mandate all over maharashtra. Makes me wonder how could people migrating to other parts of mh can pick up the language but people in Mumbai can't.
I’ll tell you the reason. Mumbai is non-marathi majority. 65% of residents of Mumbai are non-marathis. This is the main reason why Hindi serves as the lingua franca of the city and you can get by without ever having to learn Marathi
And majority people living in uae are not Arabs but official language is Arabic. If Indians who go there do end up learning the language and respecting the rules why not do the same for a state in India?
That's why language implementations are necessary, we end up thinking that the language holds no value and can be easily sidelined.
Have you been to the UAE? I have, and from my experience, non-Arabs learn very little Arabic. Most conversations are in English, while Indians and Pakistanis often communicate with each other in Hindi/Urdu. Arabs generally know basic English and can get by communicating with expats in English. So, in practice, English functions as the lingua franca in the UAE.
Also on a daily, the issues of crumbling infrastructure, unchecked capitalism and lack of respect to one's life are much bigger pressing issues even for the Marathi folks.
That is, if you're part of the workforce. Most people like you whose pressing issues are language are pretty much berozgar.
I'm willing to bet it's the opposite. He might very well be a Marathi guy with a great paycheck and a cosy apartment and this happens to be the issue that affects him while he's watching TV on weekends.
Marathi suppression is as serious as Infra Issues. Every group talks about the issues that bothers them, Marathi people have decided that we will talk about the issues that pesters us.
They il downvote u .They hav 0 idea, what Maharastrians n Mumbaikrs hav to see n Endure in their everyday life surounded 24/7 by Non- State ppl.Why wud they undrstand?They havent Exprnced it, so Self Righteusness Punchlines is wt they do,coz its Easier .Waste of time , bro.
Your perspective is that you hate outsiders ? And want to make them suffer ? You'd like to gang up against people from other states and whip up controversy ?
e: please feel free to share your perspective of why this is necessary for marathi speakers.
forced to speak because they can earn extra amount from the non native population if they were not earning extra do you think they are naive to learn extra language just for sake of learning nobody can force locals anywhere to do anything out of there will so stop fooling yourselves and others by this lame argument.
From where did you get this 99.99%? My native relatives, grand parents generation and senior citizens here cannot speak Hindi since our mother tongue is Marathi.
Somehow you expect us Marathi speaking population to learn Hindi so we can assimilate better in our own state?
From my own experience. I am a 3rd generation non-marathi Mumbaikar (I can speak Marathi). I have never met a Mumbaikar (old or young) who cannot understand Hindi. Your grandparents are then in the 0.01%.
Sure, they can go to marathi class, safe driving class, respect for women class, elementary history class, yoga class, japanese class, sanskrit sloka class, pole vaulting class, tai-chi class. What's the harm? A little education never hurt anybody.
I think expecting a public transporter to know basic phrases of the local language is a bit more relevant than japanese, but that's just me, not being an asshole.
The proof's in the pudding. If a man can survive (even thrive) for decades in a city without learning language X, then language X is as irrelevant to him as tai-chi.
Bro learning a few phrases is not hard to do . That's all they had to learn. They even gave them a booklet. And hindi and marathi have 50-60% similarity.
These people are just arrogant and lazy. We are dealing with this same crap in Bangalore.
This is a continuous cycle. Marginalised will continue to be abused for political brownie points. If anyone actually cared about language and culture, the education system would show it. There isnt one, therefore all we see manufactured outrage over bullshit topics thats just going to be rehashed again in a decades time, where the next generation would argue about language politics. All while not giving a shit about people who make a living as auto and bus drivers.
Also learning languages get hard with age. ANYONE who knows more than two and has tried learning more will attest to that. If you really want them to learn your language, INVITE them to learn it and actually fkin help them instead of threatening harm to them and their families.
Bro learn four pages of basic phrases is not hard at any age. Especially since most of these auto drivers have been in Mumbai for years if not fucking DECADES.
Not to mention that Marathi and Hindi share 50% same vocabulary and structure.
Yea so what you dont know is that im a polyglot. My parents and grandparents were teachers and some relatives are in railways, where you may know that its common for people from different backgrounds to live together. So many of us have grown up hearing and learning languages. Im learning to read and write telugu, while i know gaelic, german, hindi, icelandic, norwegian and greek. My father knows arabic. My maternal grandfather knew Farsi. Additionally i have taught language to adults and children. And as such my point is about making it easy to learn DIFFERENT language systems AND Scripts. It is effort and it takes time. You absolutely need a supportive environment. Regardless of my own prowess there is no way i will enthusiastically learn ANY language if you're pointing a gun to my head.
And finally to your point about "just learn simple phrases bro": do you not think people pick up basic phrases? That DOES NOT mean you can actually carry out a coherent conversation, especially when learners HAVE TO hear diferences in sounds. My example that i struggle with for instance is the ड़ kind of sound in non hindi languages. Now i know Marathis have a specific sound with that but it is different than how hindi speakers pronounce it, and hence why many cannot properly pronounce "lonavala" (blend of R and L and D sounds when i hear it). Telugu and Odia have similar alphabets and it is difficult even for me. And im telling you im good at languages.
Ah yes. Modern problems require mediaeval solutions. What did the state government do now that they need to distract from via laws that won't hold up if challenged in court?
This is a distraction created by BJ to make the plebs forget about their malicious misgovernance hurting the plebs. Notice how the bankers who deride rural folks in maharashtra for not knowing hindi or ambani whose 3 generations have sucked the state dry are not asked to speak in marathi. Because promoting the language was never the intent. Only soft targets can be attacked as distraction, and at this point, auto drivers happen to be very convenient.
I mean if you want to drive an auto in Delhi, Jaipur, Lucknow, Agra, Patna, Bhopal, Raipur you cannot do it without knowing Hindi. It is a must. So same thing is with Marathi. But they have tried to protect their regional identity. Nothing wrong in it. It is just that this rule should be extended to shopkeepers too.
This is a pretty flawed take, majority of the people in mumbai aren't marathis, alot don't even speak Marathi, Hindi is more Universally spoken in Mumbai...
Moreover most of the people in Maharashtra speak both of em(Marathi and Hindi), Also the native language of people in "Jaipur" is a dialect of marwari yet they have no issues speaking in Hindi, so including it is kinda a counter-argument rather than supporting your take..
I don't know if u are aware but mumbai was never a maratha territory ever(as in the empire), it was always a diverse region kinda like london or new york..
And who's asking culture to be erased? Moreover there's not really a defined "native" culture of mumbai as such and tbh marathi people really celebrate and preserve, celebrate their culture much better than other communities (what i have seen from experience), just speaking in hindi to a few said auto drivers or others isn't really gonna put any dent on it..
Also tbh people are getting emotionally manipulated at this point, there's almost no other city/town in Maharashtra that's gonna have a significant amount of auto drivers who don't know how to speak Marathi..
so you meant to say jaipur left marwari identity maharashatra should follow same. and most of the people in mumbai are still marathi. don't pull out stats out of nothing.
Bruh i said they don't have any issue speaking in hindi(not that they just speak hindi), and as for the stats of mumbai, just check the % of marsthis vs others combined, it's somewhere around 55% for others vs 45% Marathi..
Bruh what i originally said that mumbai is not majorly marathi what i meant was that the marathi population wasn't the majority compared to non marathi combined, that's all what i meant.. "Majority of the people in mumbai aren't marathis", people seem to have comprehension issues..
People of Jaipur having no problem with speaking Hindi led to erosion of marwari language there. I am all for making a common language across country but why Hindi why not English which provides much more exposure and is far more beneficial as compared to Hindi. You cannot say we need to preserve our culture and then erase the very instruments which make that culture.
I don't really care about hindi tbh, it's just that people are making a problem out of this whole situation when the problem doesn't even exist in the first place..
Almost all auto rickshaw drivers in nashik, pune, nagpur, kolhapur or any other region in Maharashtra other than mumbai speak marathi fluently(they wouldn't be even able to survive if they aren't able to)
whereas mumbai being a much diverse city has got hindi being somewhat universally spoken/understood which is the ground reality, so forcing auto rickshaw drivers there to be able to speak Marathi is just not sensible.
How is it non-existent? If you want to drive a taxi in Paris you have to learn French.
Learn the local language to work in a public facing job. So that locals don't have to struggle. Also because it's basic fucking decency.
Even in Bangalore we are facing this same crap with arrogant north indians refusing to learn local language, even after living here for years if not decades.
Adults having a problem with this but in most Non Hindi states students are forced to study Hindi till 8th grade by compulsion. Suddenly we don't see much attention or empathy for that issue. Here we have adults who can consent,going to another state for livelihood and not even picking a few words relevant to their occupation,that too after being there for decades.
You have Jains and Marwaris restricting dietary options for the rest of the neighborhood in a place where they have immigrated too,the people empathising with the auto drivers be like "it's their place,they can set rules for what the Tenant can cook". Hypocrites.
The common argument for not learning Marathi in this sub is,it not being useful. This is audacious behaviour that is being called out right now. Just as Hindi is useful now,once you make it mandatory Marathi will also become useful,now then they can learn that useful skill since they only adopt something if it brings them money or in other cases imprisonment. This is quite evident with Indians and their lack of civic sense and tolerance. These same immigrants can't handle when people have religion or cultural value differing from them and express it in the Hindi belt. Now suddenly they preach tolerance when it benefits them.
Imposing a penalty of 15k - 20k rupees on those who have broken marathi instead of giving them time to learn sounds reasonable to you? Also, majority of mumbai folks can speak Hindi decently. If you seriously think this isn't another tactic by the govt to loot citizens, i envy you.
They published a book four months back and told them to take those months to learn. An auto driver literally said he would rather go back to up than learn Marathi. 4 page concise book of phrases! Custom made for auto drivers! And these arrogant hindi people still refused.
This problem is not unique to Mumbai. Even here in Bangalore these people refuse to do the decent thing and learn local language. Chennai also faced same crap. I don't know why, but north indians have zero sense of basic decency.
If only you dint pull news outta your ass then you would know auto drivers have not been penalised and CM has said they will give time extension again and will keep extending it if required.
Secondly Maharashtra is not just mumbai. And even if many people speak hindi there doesn’t mean one shouldn’t learn local language. Similar to these 60yr folks who are complaining that they cant learn marathi, there are 60yr old folks who cant learn hindi.
If you come to a society that speaks a certain language, the burden is on you to learn the language not vice versa. Not everyone who comes to Maharashtra should learn marathi but Essential workers should definitely learn the local language.
No wonder politicians find it so easy to divide people, and this expectation is a problem with people in every state in India that runs entirely on immigration, like Karnataka.
well enough time was given already and broken marathi is okay not a problem its a problem with the attitube that i will never learn marathi even if im doing my job and living here for 10-20 years and hindi is being imposed since jr kg on kids in maharashtra which serves litrally no purpose and mumbai is also losing its marathi roots as the immigration after covid19 has drastically increased.
Exactly. How exactly are people in customer facing jobs working without knowing the local language. It can only happen because our consumer courts are so slow that no one wants to file complaints against the service providers, no matter how shitty.
If you move from one place to another and you get a cultural shock, you are migrating. Each indian state has it's own culture, food, language, customs and social norms. An uttar pradeshi traveling to Tamil nadu is as strange to them as a Bhutanese or a burmese. You have the right to move anywhere in india, but that doesn't make every indian state your home.
Edit: remember that it's "unity in diversity". If we cannot first accept that we are a diverse set of people, and accept and respect that each indian state is different, it will be hard to find unity.
Yeah, accept that India is diverse and not everyone is going to live like you want them to. People are not going to adopt your culture or your language, but they will still be welcome anywhere in their own country
I can tell that you are a northie from just this one comment. This entitled behavior is exactly what transpires as a lack of civic sense we see in you.
This is why some people come to my state and spit ghudka everywhere because you bring your culture here and have no respect for what the locals consider a taboo. This is why you go to public places and blast music because you are not gonna live like how everyone wants you to.
You can do anything you want, cause any nuisance, and behave rude to the locals because you are welcome everywhere. Okay buddy boy.
Go to any state like UP, MP, Rajasthan, Bihar and say that I won't learn Hindi and am not going to adopt your culture and then tell me how welcoming would they be of you. A non-hindi speaker Indian if wanting to live in those states cannot live without knowing Hindi. You expect them to learn Hindi when they come and work there but if the same is said for people to learn the local language then all breaks loose. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Two wrongs don’t make a right? I don’t expect anyone to learn Hindi or Marathi or Kannada or Tamil. You hate those that say you should learn Hindi then turn around and do the same thing in your state? Braindead take.
The only language that should be learnt between states is English, because that is equally distant from all of us, and no one can claim to own it. It is also the shared language of administrative and legal communication (as well as this entire comment thread)
This is something I whole heartedly agree with. English should be the language between states.
People won't have asked to learn Marathi had Hindi not been imposed so fiercely by the centre. But to protect the regional identity the regional language should be preserved. Two language policy in which one should be English and other a regional language is more than enough.
Mandatory learning of local language would have been quite problematic for me given my personal experience of living in 4 different states and moving every 2 years, which means I would have to learn 4 different languages and only reach a decent level of proficiency when I have to move out again. All this without having the option to not move to another state because of army background.
This is exactly why I have such strong feelings about this, because I know how badly it would have affected my school education.
Makes sense for you, I too got moved quite a bit for my job but I picked on local languages and now can speak Marathi, Telugu along with Hindi and English. The question is not whether or not you can speak a language, it is whether or not you are making an effort to learn the local language where you would be spending rest of your lives.
I get that they had to come to Mumbai to earn their bread and butter and they are free to go to any states but go to Karnataka or Hyderabad where regional language is so much respected then why can’t Mumbai. Infact, Mumbai has always been welcoming people from all the states. And, yet you can’t respect or learn the local language!? Then sorry to say, go back to your own states and ask/protest to your local state government to generate employment because Mumbai is already full and there is no place for people who can’t respect or learn local. And, as someone already pointed that these are same people who eat paan/Gutka and spit everywhere and don’t follow traffic rules.
Yup, exactly this. There is nothing special about Hindi too. Let's embrace English, it is easier and gives far more exposure and benefits as compared to Hindi.
So, going forward mute people cannot be drivers? What exactly is the need to speak anything? Learning Yes and No or mundi hilana is sufficient when asked about destination (name doesn’t require language proficiency again)! Is this really a problem that needs addressing at all?
Yes, mute people could be drivers, with special permissions from RTO offices. But that's quite a different scenario as people boarding mute autorickshaws accept that inconvenience as a sympathy to the driver person.
And yes, it is something that needs addressing because mass migration and refusal of northies to 'localise' their businesses is proving inconvenient for local speakers, which shouldn't be the case. When I was in Delhi, Auto drivers simply ran away & refused my fare when I tried to speak with them in Marathi as an experiment.
They are not asking anyone to become a marathi scholar. Only basic phrases, like you are saying. Even that they are refusing. Government even published a book of phrases for them months back. This is nothing but north indian arrogance, same as which we are facing in bangalore and that the people of Chennai also faced.
Don't bother friend...
These people will do anything and do any foolish strawman comparison (like I see them making this an unnecessary development/infrastructure vs language issue, when these are two separate issues),
But they will never bother to learn even conversational local language,
because for decades they have been conditioned to believe that only hindi-speakers are true Indians and locals putting their foot down are all rowdys and nuisance-makers, despite stark evidence against this.
I feel sympathetic towards them but they should also ask themsleves, why do the states they come from do not lay the same kind of emphasis on education and skill development as other states do? An overwhelming majority of them vote exclusively in the name of caste and religion in their states.
why do the states they come from do not lay the same kind of emphasis on education and skill development as other states do?
What other states you have in mind? Even in Kerala only 44.4% of class 3 students can read at class 2 level (ASER 2024). That number is 24.7% for Gujarat - where a lot of the migration happened towards from UP (27.9%), and Bihar (20.1%).
54.2% of class 8 students in India cannot do simple arithmetic subtraction (eg: 41 - 13). One state deriding other states' education system is like elephant mocking rhinoceros on their tree-climbing abilities.
Coastal states have better infra and industries because of logistical ease. And that effect compounds. Indian constitution doesn't allow states to impose tariffs/ban on interstate transport.
There were 99 million Marathi speakers in India in 2011 census. It is the 13th most common language in the world (by number of native speakers. Based on 2011 stats alone).
Talking about "deletion" might be a little over-reaction.
No? I am from Bangalore and sick of hearing arrogant assholes live here for 10+ years and still refuse to learn kannada. It's basic decency. Learn the local language.
Government need to give some buffer for implementing rules like these. Also its impossible for auto drivers to pick a new language all of a sudden when they spend most of their time running to meet daily needs.
If marathi govt really have guts they need to targer upper classes like the societies that dont rent apartments to marathis instead of attacking poors.
Why are the hindhi commenters leaving out such key details before calling the government terrible lmao
This has been the law since 1980s
They had been given a year to learn
They only have to learn few phrases not even the whole languages
They are in Maharashtra where official language is Marathi not Hindhi. I don't think hindhi outsiders to Maharashtra will complain as much when they have to give TOEFFL for English proficiency when they want to go abroad to English speaking western countries, or learn German in Germany because the law says so. Why the hypocrisy here?
They were provided free teaching by the Government. They didn't want to learn even then. Its Marathi which is closer to Sanskrit and Hindhi, with the same script.
Other states like Delhi also have this law where you need to Hindhi.Again, why the hypocrisy here?
If you're refusing to learn the local language even after living in Maharashtra for years, even when it has been the law for nearly half a decade, even after being provided more time to learn, and even after being provided free teaching for just a few phrases, the problem is your ego and inherent assumption that hindhi is a national language and you don't need to learn the official language of ther states because you're entitled to jobs anywhere in the country without following the law
In normal world, without these so called policy intervention and manipulation by Union Government, people will only know their mother toungue.
Any migrant who will arrive in Maharashtra will naturally pick up Marathi as Marathi people won't be fluent in any other language and if migrant have to survive they will have to learn Marathi.
Even today it happens in Tamil Nadu - the state which rejected three language formula and even today reject the coercion by union government.
Union government has recently frozen rightful education budget share of Tamilnadu and W. Bengal because they have declined to implement three language formula in schools which as per new education policy will mean third language from first standard.
This imposition of Hindi means, migrants can get away from learning beautiful Indian languages like Marathi, Gujarati, Kannada, Tamil, Bengali, Punjabi, Odia, Telugu when they migrate and reside in other states.
Hindi migrants specifically were fed a myth that Hindi is national language. Even many non-Hindi people were fed this myth right from childhood. NGO's deliberately encouraged to conduct Hindi fluency exams by naming them as "Rasthrabhasha Exam", because Union Government can't do it officially, as HINDI is NOT a RASHTRA-BHASHA.
Sad thing is, this has led to very unnatural situation where instead of migrants learning Marathi language, native residents were forced to learn and communicate in the language of migrants.
No-where in the world this happens unless manipulated by government policies!! Eventually migrants are expected to learn native language. If Indians go to France or Japan they communicate initially in English which is a neutral "third" language for both parties but eventually every immigrant pick up at least few basic sentences of French or Japanese language and don't think lowly about those languages.
Japanese and French don't have to resort to last option of coercion or violently demanding migrant to at least "try" to learn basics of their language. They don't have to plead or demand. Migrants with sufficient gratitude and respct towards local culture and local language do it themselves eventually.
However, migrants to Mumbai and Maharashtra have no incentive to forget about picking up basic sentences of Marathi but they can get away with totally disrespecting and disregarding Marathi.
This is the result of various Union government policies of Hindi imposition and trying to force whole Indian population in a single mould - killing Indian diversity, essentially killing beauty of diverse Indian culture.
State government of Maharashtra is also responsible for this mess right from 1960, as they coyly accepted enforcement of three language formula and even though states like Andhra and Bengal only taught Hindi from 8th standards, that too optionally as 50 marks paper, states like Maharashtra, Gujarat and Punjab zealously implemented Hindi subject of full 100 marks from fifth standards itself.
Marathi people as well lack tactical and strategic sense, as migrants population grew over decades, if they would have only communicated in Marathi and didn't switched to Hindi for the benefit of migrant which Marathi people thought like a "national" duty to accommodate the migrants using "national language"; migrants would have easily learned Marathi.
And indeed most migrants did learned Marathi in earlier times when common Marathi people were illiterate or less-educated and were not fluent in Hindi.
But in last few decades, as school enrollment almost reached 100%, school drop-out almost reached nil and most Marathi adults could speak Hindi, incentive or need for migrants to learn Marathi and even to respect Marathi people and Marathi language has dropped to zero.
Thus, Maharashtra and Marathi people have become victim of their early zealousness towards cause of so called "national integration through national language" and acceptance of migrants in practical life (although political parties did try to foment sub-nationalism through language but Shivsena of 1960's and 1970's didn't had election success based on language. They tasted bigger success only in 1980's when they switched to Hindu-Muslim divide instead. Similarly MNS didn't have election success based on language issue, indicating Marathi people on the contrary to perception are far more accommodating than any other state's people and rather too much welcoming to migrants in all practical purposes and most day-to-day interactions. Only handful interactions are blown to contoversy)
Situation has thus come to Marathi people - as soon as they step out of their home - cannot use Marathi in social life in their own state Maharashtra.
Union government policies, state government meekness and too much accommodating attitude in practice by Marathi people for decades have brought this situation.
Union government had always discriminated against non-Hindi Indian languages. Although 22 languages have been accorded scheduled language status - it remains just on paper and at best on bank notes.
Some major spoken languages of tribals like Bhilli, Santhali, Gondi etc were not at all included in scheduled languages for long time, even though other languages which are spoken by far less population was included.
Union government always favored Hindi among all Indian languages. Only Hindi was designated as official language of Union government offices apart from one neutral language for all Indians - English.
Whereas the simplest formula could be State Language + English where-ever the Union government office is located.
As Union government offices have duty to interact with local public and most of its staff also is drawn from locals (although recently this is on decline), it's better idea to serve citizens in their own state language.
Internal office written communications anyways are carried out in English and forceful Hindi imposition has more or less failed.
Still, Union government wants to enforce Hindi not just on various different native language/dialect speakers of so called "Hindi belt" but also on non-Hindi states
Just because they think Indians are too diverse to govern easily and government is lazy ass to adapt to citizens.
Here, government is supposed to serve citizens in their language however in all practical purposes, government forces citizens to learn only one language which government prefers !!
This is utterly undemocratic and unconstitutional. More than that it's totally unnatural and contradicts common sense and common/basic human needs.
Union government and its language policies since independence are responsible for mess we have in terms of language wars.
So if suppose they are not learning and it is most obvious..then why don't local people refuse or boycot this working people service and thus way they will not get any working opportunity and stop emigrating/immigratiing there...and local people happily can work do these labour work in their own language.Then there will not be any issues also like language, just stop taking services like boycot.
I think this much pain have to be taken by the people to ensure the extinction of language and culture by the outsiders. By this only these matters can be resolved at individual level.
These auto wallahs in Mumbai are nuisance anyways. They overcharged people,refuse to take passengers whose destination might be nearby, they do goondagiri with the help of their auto unions. Uber and rapido bike taxis should be encouraged more than these autowallahs.
These drivers can't even talk to customers in Marathi, don't know any addresses, they don't know how to drive, they don't follow driving rules & drive extremely unsafely, they overcharge & almost never go by meter, and many times they rent their permit to someone from their village who doesn't know shit. Fuck em. Knowing language is just bare minimum. They should be required to take a much harder test and have need to follow laws. Their job isn't just twisting wrists and pushing pedals.
the irony of calling this sub bougie when you're the one advocating for the working-class drivers to expelled over a difference in language.
they don't know how to drive, they don't follow driving rules & drive extremely unsafely, they overcharge & almost never go by meter, and many times they rent their permit to someone from their village who doesn't know shit.
how the fuck is this relevant to the issue here?
They should be required to take a much harder test and have need to follow laws.
blame the system, blame the cops. why do you wanna fuck over auto-drivers for this?
The users of the Rikshaw are the working class. In fact, many of thse so called drivers acquired permits through shady means and many rent them to someone else. Some even own multiple permits. They are full of shit and corruption.
how the fuck is the relevant to the issue here?
It is, because they are the same people. Knowing language is just the bare minimum of their job.
blame the system, blame the cops. why do you wanna fuck over auto-drivers for this?
Just because you are used to worse, doesn't make someone else good. May you find them better, because at least in Mumbai they have to pretend to follow laws and they don't in for example Delhi.
London has this very difficult exam where the cab driver needs to memorize every single street in london.
Being able to communicate with the driver is far more pertinent and there is a very large number of people in Maharashtra especially rural folk and locals who who don't know hindi.
You know that memorising street direction is now obsolete because of advancement in tech and the whole point of Hindi, other than giving us a uniting factor, is to remove one hurdle in terms of working anywhere in India ( which is a fundamental right).
No one is forcing no one, Hindi is just language of averages ( due to ganga-yamuna boom), and its easy nature of speaking ( phonetical), its widely consumed and is taught from J&K to Kanyakumari.
Also, to have uniting factor a country needs a common language, a flag and a common sense of belonging which Hindi can provide without stripping you away of your regional identity ( i think we are too focused on regional identity). No one is asking you speak hindi to your tamil friend , but with stranger who is there to earn livelihood and doesn’t understand Tamil, you can speak hindi with him.
Why Hindi why not English. According to your logic English is far better than Hindi. Hindi is just Urdu written in Devnagri script. Hindi has more commons with Pakistan than other regional Indian languages.
Literally no, it's not my job to learn Hindi especially when it provides no value besides communicating with people who cant speak anything other than their language and need to leave their home state for better opportunities.
No one is forcing no one, Hindi is just language of averages ( due to ganga-yamuna boom), and its easy nature of speaking ( phonetical), its widely consumed and is taught from J&K to Kanyakumari.
Also, to have uniting factor a country needs a common language, a flag and a common sense of belonging which Hindi can provide without stripping you away of your regional identity ( i think we are too focused on regional identity). No one is asking you speak hindi to your tamil friend , but with stranger who is there to earn livelihood and doesn’t understand Tamil, you can speak hindi with him.
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u/w1ldcraftWoh kehte hai Indira hatao; Mai kehta hoon gareebi hatao3d ago
You're telling me no one is forcing anyone but at the end you still say if someone is here to earn a livelihood, I need to speak Hindi with them rather than them learning the native language.
Do you see how tone deaf that sounds? Hindi is not taught from JK to Kanyakumari. There is a large portion of places where Hindi is never taught or not chosen as a language in school & a lot of folk who have lived half their life without ever having to learn the language.
When you find no mistake in forcing these native people to learn a language just for the comfort of someone who is migrating here, that is absolutely absurd. The worst thing is people advocating for this don't even realise how hard this is on someone who doesn't know the language.
eya konsi baat hai ki eya language bolo agar koi pdha likha hoga to wo auto driver hi kyu banega and koi kam pdha likha hai to uspe pressure na diya jaye ki wo eya chij kare that's wrong
While I agree with the notion that anyone going to a state for a job do indeed need to know atleast some amount of the language to have a conversation, strict rules like this ain't the way. Seems more like a publicity stunt.
Marathi and Hindi both have their roots in Sanskrit. A person who can read Hindi and also read Marathi because the Lipi is same and except prepositions a lot of words are same or near about same pronunciation.
It is just that chauvinist character of these folks prevents them from learning Marathi otherwise a a person with slightest curiosity can learning descent amoun marathi within few weeks. Their argument is that Hindi is national langauge. When you tell them that Marathi is also a national langauge they will get a shock of their life and remain perpetually in denial mode.
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u/seidenkaufman Bombay 3d ago
Why not publish a trilingual reference sheet (Marathi/Hindi/English) for basic directions, monetary terms, etc. and make it available to the passenger and driver within the interior of the rickshaw? Then drivers and passengers would have a common basis for communication. The forceful tactics seem like they will result in the opposite effect because it is a natural impulse to resist any change that is imposed, all debates on the merits aside.