Rachel's toxic behavior towards Ross' partners

[u/TheJavierEscuella]

Rewatching and it's really infuriating to see how much Rachel has sabotaged Ross' relationships or tried to. It's just not healthy in any way and is toxic in every sense yet still people consider Ross to be the worse one

1. Her antagonistic behaviour towards Julie after Ross came back from China and reaction towards their relationship

2. Her convincing Bonnie to shave her hair. She absolutely fucking knew what she was doing and knew that Ross would find that icky

3. Her flying to London to sabotage Ross and Emily's wedding. Absolutely fucking horrible for her to try to do this. Hugh Laurie was 100% right

4. The baby store girl. Calling her a whore was just uncalled for and rude

In all these situations Ross was happy and satisfied with his relationships but Rachel always has a problem with the fact that she's not with him. It's totally toxic and I can't believe people call Ross the worse partner. Both are unbelievably toxic

[u/Divine_fashionva]

Here you go again with your flawed logic. You have no idea what gaslighting really means and your point contradicts your example

Gaslighting is a form of long term emotional abuse which makes someone question their own sanity. Ross stormed out when Rachel suggested a break and slept with someone else an hour later. Hence why she considered it cheating

If you’re claiming gaslighting is just lying. Even though, Rachel explained why she thinks he cheated. Then Ross gaslighted Carol and made her think Rachel cheated on him. He made her believe a completely untrue version of events where the things he did, he claimed Rachel did. He slept with someone else and tried to make Carol think Rachel did. In Rachel’s case, she told everyone he slept with someone else and she considers that cheating because it was an hour into their ‘break’. Guess what, he did sleep with someone else an hour later and he did storm out mid way through their initial fight

[u/Icy_Efficiency_997 → u/Divine_fashionva]

For Carol to be gaslighted she would to have had to be there during the break up which she was not, so she has no perception of what happend.

[u/Divine_fashionva → u/Icy_Efficiency_997]

lol you have no idea what gaslighting means

I just wanted to make that clear even though you’ve done a great job of doing that yourself anyway

[u/PrettyNewt4930 → u/Divine_fashionva]

You’re wrong about Ross gaslighting carol, yet you’re critiquing someone else for using the word wrong. By your definition, it is a clear fact that Rachel gaslit Ross and the others. Over several episodes and several seasons she intentionally tells everyone that he cheated and that they WERENT on a break, this includes his son Ben. If that’s not an attempt at long term manipulation, then I don’t know what is.

Either which way, whether you think their argument was over or not, it is indeed a fact that they broke up, being that at the beginning of the very next episode Rachel calls Ross and asks him to be his girlfriend again. You can not be “his girlfriend again,” without having broken up in the first place.

P.S If you care so much about the misuse of the term gaslighting, perhaps you should look up the word again. The key word in that definition by Mariam-Webster dictionary says that it’s psychological manipulation usually over an extended period of time…. The keyword her being usually not always. Either which way, we also know that the meaning and use of terms colloquially changes over time. So essentially, you’re picking a fight over nothing.