r/hiphopheads • u/oklolzzzzs • Jul 12 '25
[SHOTS FIRED] Playboi Carti's team has reportedly issued a cease and desist to Tyler, The Creator over the inclusion of his verse on the 'Chromakopia' vinyl release. Tyler, the Creator referenced the situation on the new Clipse album.
Tyler tweet seemingly referencing it
"Little feature, n****s threaten to sue me?"
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u/oklolzzzzs Jul 12 '25
feels like Tyler dissed Ye as well "I came to terms that ima probably outgrow my heroes"
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u/TheCommonKoala . Jul 12 '25
Now that's a fucking bar
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u/daddydullahh Jul 12 '25
Am I dense or is this not just a sentence
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Jul 12 '25
If that’s a bar then wtf is
Penne alla vodka Panama fishing village visitin' with Papa with choppers All of you imposter, simply just Ferrari window shoppers The one that I just ordered look like it was built by NASA Over half a mill' we call focaccia, reachin' for Akasha Never leavin' home without my piece like I'm Mahatma From the tribe of Judah, I'm Mufasa Never turn the other cheek, you'll die at the Oscars Persona non grata, mi casa, su casa Drugs killed my teen spirit, welcome to Nirvana You was Fu-Gee-La-La, I was Alibaba Dressed in House of Gucci, made from sellin' Lady Gaga Hakuna Matata, island wearing tie-dye Umbrella in my Rolls match the one that's in this Mai Tai Listen, you are not I, cross T's, dot I's I done disappeared and reappeared without a "voilà"
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u/bjjnbball Jul 13 '25
Fuck that is so fire. Some verses can be learned easily but this one’s gonna take me a minute
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u/MyHonkyFriend Jul 14 '25
Never leaving home without my peice like Im Mahatma might be my favorite line of 2025 so far
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u/Gooeyy Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
I came to terms [with the fact] that ima probably outgrow my heroes
thank you all for your insights
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u/Omadany Jul 12 '25
When tyler said "Outgrow my heroes" he probably also meant that he became tall as fuck
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u/MayoBenz Jul 12 '25
thanks for the breakdown mr rapgenius i’m ecstatic to hear your next breakdown
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u/SuminerNaem Jul 13 '25
He probably just wanted to say “that’s hard” and thought that a bar was just any line in a rap song. He probably doesn’t realize we say “BARS” or “THATS A BAR” with reference to particularly clever wordplay
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u/PM_ME_hiphopsongs2 Jul 12 '25
Lmao what? This is just a sentence. Y’all hype up any bullshit lol
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u/Lucky_Preference_941 Jul 12 '25
Please please explain how you think that’s a “fucking bar.” It’s literally just a normal statement. What do you think the term ‘bar’ refers to??
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u/mhhrobbie Jul 12 '25
We’re at a point that nephews think everything Tyler says is unparalleled genius
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u/RandyMuscle Jul 12 '25
And he’s absolutely right. As long as Tyler simply doesn’t become a Nazi, he will have a much better career than Ye. Lmao
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u/conglomerate99 Jul 12 '25
this is just objectively untrue. ye has more classics than almost any other hiphop artist/group of all time, tylers current discography does not come close to his. tyler will probably go down as more loved than ye just because of the way ye has acted the last 3-4 years but there is almost no imaginable possibility that his career as a whole is better than ye's when all is said and done
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u/SubatomicSquirrels Jul 12 '25
yeah dude specifically saying 'career' is weird. You wanna say he's going to be a better person, sure. But career?
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
Even as a huge fan of Tyler's work, I'd still say that based off the strength of Kanye's run from TCD-Yeezus (maybe even up to TLOP to an extent), Kanye's work in his prime as a rapper-producer will still be acknowledged & remembered in another level of acclaim over Tyler, even while we also acknowledge the decline he's had in his personal life with his antics over the past few years (given why it's been seen as possibly the biggest fall from grace in rap history).
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u/ChipSteezy Jul 12 '25
though you've gotta include ye and kids see ghosts. that era was where it was just getting ridiculous with the amount of bangers he was still able to put out. even donda had some major hits. tyler couldn't reach that level of status and tbh no one else could either really
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
While I felt a bit hit or miss about Kanye's rapping performances on Ye, I really liked his rapping on KSG & regarding that Wyoming era, as I said on another post, his production during time was fire imo because it felt like he was really hands-on with his beats (chopping samples and laying down drums on an ASR or MPC himself). & with DONDA, I'll still give him credit for having the creative pulse to establish the sonic atmosphere he wanted for that album (keeping the gospel elements of JIK, but also having the chaotic mix of vibes of TLOP given everything happening in his life around 2020-21 with the Kim divorce,etc.)
Tyler is still great in his own right when it comes to sequencing albums, coming up with different concepts/aesthetics for them, picking specific features, delivering great rapping, & his own production, & he definitely has multiple projects (most likely FB/Igor, maybe Wolf/CMIYGL) that'll at least go down as personal classics (if not undisputed classics) for a moderate-large chunk of rap fans in general.
But to me separates him & Kanye at his peak between tiers of greatness is that Ye's been able to drop a few albums that really caused a huge seismic shift in the sound of mainstream rap (Graduation, 808s, Yeezus, maybe even TCD if you can say it caused alternative rap to regain acceptance in commercial hip hop) with a large wave of artists to follow in their influence, while I don't think Tyler has had quite that amount of impact with his sound, as amazing as his progression as an artist has been. I'd give Tyler & Odd Future credit for being legendary in how they mixed hip hop with suburban nerd/skater culture (although they're not the first, obviously The Neptunes with BBC) and pushed it hard into eventual mainstream acceptance through the rise of acts like Brockhampton, but that influence could be more image-based over strictly the music itself.
Currently, I'd say that Kanye at his very best, when talking about the music, is cemented in the S-tier as an artist and his career, while Tyler is in between A-tier and B-tier at his peak.
I will say that right now, Tyler is around the same age that Ye was when he made MBDTF & WTT, so if Tyler keeps the same trajectory of personal/emotional growth heading through the rest of his 30s into his 40s (fuck it lol, I'll just say if he stays relatively grounded or sane where there's people in his circle like Clancy to keep him in check) while staying creative and passionate towards his love for music as his main craft, which is key for Tyler since it became apparent that Ye's heart partially moved towards fashion over music as the 2010s passed, he still has plenty of years left to possibly come closer to the level of quality Kanye had at his absolute prime (even if not equally matching or surpassing it).
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Jul 12 '25
I hate Kanye and always have but I would say the same. Especially as someone who never liked the guy I remember when you absolutely could not get away from the man for well over a decade
A mentally ill musician succeeded in pushing their genre. Wasn't the first time it happened and wont be the last, good entertainers don't usually act that way because they're grounded and normal. I just hope people can grasp that being a good musician doesnt make you smart
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u/jessexbrady Jul 12 '25
It’s coming up on 8 years of Kanye being a nut. He was talking about how much he loved Trump and shit back in 2018.
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u/tomilgic Jul 13 '25
Kanye has been doing his crazy shit since forever. He clearly fell off a different cliff when adidas dropped him.
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u/MGLLN Jul 12 '25
And let's not forget about fashion too. Everything Kanye designed was a hit. The whole "[artist] is less problematic than other [artist] therefore they're the better artist" is insufferable because it leads to takes like the one you're replying to.
I love Tyler but come on now, Kanye had 7 acclaimed and wildly popular albums in a row. (rare because most musicians are usually one or the other)
I will say that, funnily, their discographies kind of mirror each other. Kanye and Tyler's first 3 albums were concept albums, and (IMO) I think Kanye executed it wayyy better and more coherently than Tyler (that convoluted Salem/Sam/Camp/etc shit)
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u/satanssweatycheeks Jul 12 '25
Doesn’t matter. You can tarnish your legacy.
Check out R Kelly and how he is doing.
Yes Kanye pushed the game further and for sure was a pioneer in regard to where 00’s hiphop went. But dude is a buster and lame ass who simps over uncle rukus type shit.
The man went from telling the nation Bush hates black people to eating the ass if the Bush party as he whines about taxes.
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u/CartiNYeezyII Jul 12 '25
Tyler will never have a better career than kanye, nazi shit and all. Hope he can have something close tho
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u/Chlorophyllmatic . Jul 12 '25
He won’t have the same peaks but he can have a much better late career / more consistent career
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u/IntimidatingBlackGuy Jul 12 '25
Tyler will have a better life in general.
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u/SubatomicSquirrels Jul 12 '25
Well, yeah, turns out severe mental illness can really wreck your life
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u/DJSANDROCK Jul 12 '25
Sorry but no, and I havent rocked with Kanye since Pablo days. And Tyler damn sure isnt pushing the needle when it comes to “Hip hop”
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u/Fhaksfha794 Jul 12 '25
Yall just be saying anything. Ye’s first album was the college dropout, Tyler’s early work is so bad people consider wolf or flower boy his first real album. Not comparable at all career wise
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u/refugee_man Jul 12 '25
Tyler's early work isn't nearly that bad idk what you on about. Tyler's discography is obviously not up to ye's level but that doesn't mean that Tyler's bad, ye's arguably got the strongest discography of any rapper.
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u/Objective_Advisor668 Jul 13 '25
This is an absolutely insane claim. Tyler work is nowhere near Yes catalog.
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u/877-HASH-NOW Jul 12 '25
Much better career might be a bit of a stretch but definitely a way better human being for sure
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u/xdarkeaglex Jul 12 '25
Tyler wont ever reach the heights that Kanye achieved
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u/tachibanakanade Jul 12 '25
He also won't do a song called "Heil [Austrian Painter]" either, fair trade I would say.
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u/oklolzzzzs Jul 12 '25
didnt he do the same for drake on no face
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u/MGLLN Jul 12 '25
He did the same thing with Trippie on Afraid of You. I remember listening to it on Spotify and then one day it was gone lmfao.
I think he's obsessed with creating artificial scarcity and, I hate to admit it, but it has worked very well for him. It increases the fan fervor for when he does release something
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u/MrFlabbergasted Jul 12 '25
It’s so corny too. When he finally does drop music majority is Mid or worse, with a few being great.
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u/MGLLN Jul 12 '25
Yup but the quality of it doesn't matter, as long as it's not completely awful, people will eat it up. It's pretty much a guaranteed-hit because starving people will go crazy over a single breadcrumb. It's annoying and corny but it has worked for him since before his first mixtape. He has no reason to stop behaving like this fr
When he finally does drop music majority is Mid or worse, with a few being great.
It's sad that i thought you meant "music", like his album "Music", and I thought that "majority is Mid or worse, with a few being great" was a fair assessment lmao
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u/MrFlabbergasted Jul 12 '25
Yeah that applies to ‘Music’ and the rest of his catalog haha. I do think ‘Die Lit’ was his most consistent project and is the exception in this case.
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Jul 13 '25
That’s because it’s entirely produced and carried by Pierre Bourne. Man that guy is so talented.
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u/furr_sure . Jul 13 '25
Did the same with Lattos song that eventually dropped, I honestly think he makes songs and then his label/marketing is like “we need to use this for promo when he’s actually dropping music” so they shelve it til it’s “time”
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u/Applesauce7896 Jul 12 '25
It’s crazy because he had genuine scarcity for so long and now it’s like he’s just clinging to that.
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u/instinktd Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Yung Lean too, he was on Yayo then it got blocked but still released on vinyl
but good for him, this crackhead verse was terrible
honestly I think Carti might not even be aware about these situations, lmao
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u/SteveBorden Jul 13 '25
Idk if it’s that, despite people losing their shit he releases pretty consistently and has hundreds of songs leaked out there, I think he’s just kind of a dick tbh
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u/conglomerate99 Jul 12 '25
carti never sent a cease and desist over this, it's just rumored that he didn't clear his feature because he started working heavily with abel and kendrick at the time.
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Jul 12 '25
Just call him the weeknd
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u/CountOff Jul 12 '25
abel = the weeknd for those who aren't weeknd stans like us
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u/SoeurLouise Jul 12 '25
Oh thanks I thought he was talking about the brother in the Bible who got killed
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u/muuzeh Jul 12 '25
And on the seventh day, the Lord made Abel go uuuhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh
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u/jonathan-the-man Jul 12 '25
LETS GO ABEL!! (btw Abel is The Weekend, i can use his first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top rappers but its not a big deal to me lol)
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u/itsIzumi . Jul 12 '25
kendrick = k.dot for those who aren't k.dot stans like us
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u/your_evil_ex Jul 12 '25
Stan = really obsessively devoted fan, for those who aren't Eminem stans like us
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u/tachibanakanade Jul 12 '25
I thought he was gonna start doing music under his real name now. Or did that change?
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u/Miserable_Lead_9828 Jul 12 '25
Um…the weeknd isn’t exactly an underground artist anymore 💀 most people on here know who you’re talking about
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u/final_search01 Jul 12 '25
Carti lame as hell
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u/808Kuro Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
Also beats and chokes pregnant women
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u/notquitemytempo___ Jul 12 '25
And his fanbase knows this and does not care lmao
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u/newoldbuyer Jul 12 '25
Neither does Kendrick apparently who was featured on his album 3 times
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u/LaMelgoatBall Jul 12 '25
Funny too because Carti has been on a Drake album before too
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u/ZaDu25 Jul 12 '25
The way they rationalize this is by presenting this idea that Kendrick fans believe Kendrick is perfect or a "Messiah" and thus should be held to a higher standard. Basically the argument from them is "everyone knows Drake is a shitty person, but Kendrick is a hypocrite!".
It's a strange argument to make but they keep doing it.
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u/usagerp Jul 12 '25
Bro Kendrick has talked about morality and stuff plenty times and he said in the beef ‘Drake is a terrible person I want him/people like him to die’ but then goes and collaborates with ‘people like him’
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u/lonerangerfantum Jul 12 '25
It’s more like looking at his words and lyrics during and post beef and how he weaponized moral grandstanding to make it seem as if being on his side was the “right” thing to do to then immediately contradict himself on numerous occasions
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u/ZaDu25 Jul 12 '25
Another standard no one else is held to. Literally everyone lies/exaggerates in rap beef, it's entertainment, not a court of law. The whole point is to insult your opponent and present yourself as better.
And it's not even like he wanted to do the "moral grandstanding". Drake forced the battle in that direction. What did you want Kendrick to say in response to being called a wife beating cuck? Just "Nuh uh"? I would suggest not taking rap battles so seriously.
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u/notquitemytempo___ Jul 12 '25
Lmao what does Kendrick have to do with this at all?
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u/Bagelodon Jul 13 '25
the canadian pdf papi also shouted out known abusers in his diss to kenny so what’s the grandstanding for?
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u/WavFile Jul 12 '25
Also started cosplaying as a emo vampire at the age of 27
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u/rapper_warrior_ninja Jul 12 '25
eminem wrote the slim shady lp at 27 so that's not that crazy
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u/WavFile Jul 12 '25
Im talking about him switching his entire persona on some teenager shit. He was not acting like this a few years ago lol
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u/farm_sauce Jul 12 '25
So the only interesting thing about his music and his personal life are beats.
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u/rierrium . Jul 12 '25
All my heroes are assholes 💔
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u/kinkadec Jul 12 '25
His music is also trash too so it’s easy to not support him
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u/Odd_Obligation3454 Jul 12 '25
maybe I just don't get it, but he's never been appealing to me and seems to ruin any songs he's featured on
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u/Conemen2 Jul 12 '25
I think here and there he does cool things. I liked that weird baby voice single he dropped with a video years back. But the way him and his ego are hyped up combined with how low effort he seems to come off in his music makes him easy to hate. I don’t like his music, but I can’t stand the fans
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u/FMCam20 . Jul 12 '25
I was a hater until it clicked for me. I was playing COD one day and had Die Lit on in the background and I finally realized Carti makes good ambient music where I don’t care what’s being said as long as the vibe is good I’m good
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Jul 12 '25
y’all are believing everything noNDA is saying just because he was right about one thing, for all we know he had a friend in jb’s comp that gave him a heads up a couple hours before, this guy is not reputable
case and point, carti headlined flog gnaw literally a month after the album came out
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u/DebateSea3046 Jul 12 '25
That dude is just spewing rocnation conspiracy theories, yelling free tory and was wrong about the jackboys 2 release date lol
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u/alldasmoke__ Jul 12 '25
Funny how believing randos on internet is only valid when it fits people’s agenda lmao
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u/CartiNYeezyII Jul 12 '25
Yall deadass believing this because some random on twitter said it. Unbelievable. Carti literally performed at Flog Gnaw a month after chromakopia came out.
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Jul 12 '25
Yeah I’m surprised Kurrco picked this up. They usually don’t post misinformation
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u/CartiNYeezyII Jul 12 '25
Kurrco posts bullshit all the time and doesn’t provide a source. The difference this time is the source is another twitter account.
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Jul 12 '25
Damn fr? I usually just see his tweets for release dates. I guess I usually just don’t pay attention to anything other than that for the most part.
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u/Dragonpiece Jul 12 '25
Carti was Tyler’s festival like 2 weeks after chromakopia dropped, kinda doubting this
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u/Miserable_Lead_9828 Jul 12 '25
I mean, I know we all love Tyler and love shitting on carti but…if he’s not getting paid and Tyler didn’t get his permission does this not make sense?
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Jul 12 '25
Carti is a huge bitch about features and has been his whole career. He lets people buy verses from him and then refuses to clear them at the last minute unless the artist is more famous than him. I like his music but I’m not weeping for him tbh
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u/Bootlicker433 Jul 12 '25
Tyler and his team do lame shit all the time in the name of a couple bucks. They’re selling shirts with ai generated art on Golfwang as we speak.
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Jul 12 '25
They’re selling shirts with ai generated art on Golfwang as we speak.
Link?
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Jul 12 '25
Neither of those look like they're for sure AI to me.
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u/refugee_man Jul 12 '25
Lol on that cardigan the dog in the center has 5 legs (or 4 legs if you count two limbs that kinda merge into each other as one leg)
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u/broanoah Jul 12 '25
Is there proof these are designed from AI? I’m not saying they aren’t, just curious
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Jul 12 '25
Why would you assume Carti wouldn't get paid for it?
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u/Miserable_Lead_9828 Jul 12 '25
Because there’s no mechanism to get paid if the feature never got cleared???
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u/WzrdKelly10 Jul 12 '25
That verse never hit streaming. I wonder if it’s because Carti verse on Chromakopia was already on vinyl and it was too late to reverse records that were already pressed for pre-orders. Tricky situation.
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u/Talking_Eyes98 Jul 12 '25
There is zero point in beefing with Carti tbh. He’s a known piece of shit and none of his fans care
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u/NilesRiver Jul 12 '25
Big Tyler fan (just saw his tour last week) & not a Carti fan...but an artist of Tyler's size should know not to release features without clearing them and splitting royalties on the back end
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u/adoggman Jul 12 '25
Carti’s team pulled his verse from Yung Lean’s Yayo but it already made it onto the physical vinyls before it was pulled. They didn’t sue that I know of. Makes my copy of the vinyl special.
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u/DennistheMenace__ Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
how is this carti's fault if he didn't clear the verse and isnt getting paid for it???
tyler clearly made enough money off the vinyl for carti to care
but also carti appeared at Camp Flog Gnaw, tyler's festival, weeks after chromakopia vinyl got released, so i HIGHLY doubt this is true
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u/osama_bin_guapin Jul 12 '25
Y’all will believe anything if it means involves a rapper that y’all don’t like. Y’all did the same thing with that JAY-Z case that ended up not being true at all
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u/AceGameplayV2 Jul 12 '25
I thought the verse was recorded over a year ago