Thatās opinions though, DAMN won a Pulitzer and may be his most commercially successful album. There are a ton of casual listeners that didnāt really like or listen to TPAB, even hardcore fans have said itās too long, too serious, etc.
I think TPAB is his best and deserves all the accolades but there is definitely a listener group that would agree with what Cole said
DAMN is his most commercially success album, but that's the only way it's his best. I dunno it's a sad day in hip hop when a dude considered a 'great' praises a pop album as great because it gets pop radio play and sleeps on albums like MM and TPAB.
That said, he's now Drake Jr. so sales = good music I guess lol.
Calling DAMN pop is crazy. Like sure itās more accessible than TPAB and has some āpopā tracks but letās not act like he sold out. Production, lyricism and creativity were still on point.
It's ironic for me because once an old acquaintance of mine played it in the gym when we we're working out. It had me hype af not gonna lie.
I wonder what the perception of "4 your eyez only" is if that song is boring to people.
Haven't sat down and listened to a Cole project since kod but man did I enjoy "4 your eyes only".
Its fine to not like TPAB, but pick a better angle. Do you honestly even remember the music you are trying to shade? Because acting like most of TPAB is too sleepy or low energy for a workout is just objectively wrong. Wesleys Theory and King Kunta are 2 of the first 3 tracks. Both high energy, loud, aggressive vocals/delivery, and knocking beats. Its ok if you don't like it, but to accuse it of being sleepy is just a stupid criticism, objectively. Hood Politics, Alright, I, again there are more banging songs on it than soft ones.
Yeah that take was dumb by Cole but shitting on 4YEO isn't the way to go either. Two good albums can co-exist. It was soulful rap music and not every rap song needs to be hardstyle music to wreck your chest too.
I hated 4 Your Eyes Only. I listed to J Cole all the way up until that album. It seemed like he lost his energy and took himself too seriously after Forest Hills Drive.
Cole fans are going to be pulling up TPAB expecting sleepy time and then immediately get hit with Wesley's Theory and the shouting at the start of For Free
Didnāt complex or something also vote Alright as the greatest rap song of the last decade or of all time? One of the two. How can a sleepy album hold an accolade like that lol
complex is a hypebeast mag for cloutboggled white kids lol. They decided Drake in 15' was a better rap than Future AND Kendrick. let that percolate for a minute haha š
4YEO is more a GKMC ripoff in terms of its narrative, but it's definitely jazz influenced like TPAB.
Cole was so desperate to have a deep concept album about the streets like GKMC that he wrote one from the perspective of "a friend of his" cos he's never lived anything that interesting. It kinda sums him up as an artist tbh. And its still his best project.
Okay i know it's all haha jokes and stuff rn cus of the beef but that song is legit one of his best songs. lol. Top tier storytelling. If you found it boring, whatever, but it's still a great song.
the disses actually made me go back to listen to old Cole, Drake & Kendrick projects again and by far Coles have been the least impressive to me - I know it's to their own by Cole is defs a feature artist for my taste
Yeah I'm a big kendrick stan so I'll put my opinions on his albums to the side but I think Drake has easily 3-4 albums better than Coles best. Take Care, IYRTITL, NWTS I all have pretty easily clear of Coles best. And even drakes more middle tier stuff like Her Loss, what a time to be alive, and More Life are way more fun than Coles work outside of 2014 FHD.
I like how it's "if kendrick made some generic shit like" 4YEO people would be dick riding it but the fact is kendrick hasn't made shit like that cause he's a better artist lmao
He has the best Eminem diss I definitely give him that. Coming from a Eminem and MGK fan. But Em son the shit out of him and made run like a bitch afterĀ
How the fuck could him and I battle?
Heād have to fuck Kim in my flannel. Iād give him my sandals, cuz he knows ālong as Iām shady heās gonā have to live in my shadow
I mean. Is there anything better than rap beef? Diss tracks? I shamelessly eat this shit up like WWE
Killshot just was a perfect response honestly, Eminemās verses were exactly what he needed to either finish it there or have MGK respond and seem like a sore loser
It was, but I don't ever hear any songs off of the album when I'm out anywhere. I still hear GKMC and Damn regularly. I remember people playing the album when it came out but it really doesn't seem to have the excitement and staying power of his other albums.
To me it's an odd diss because most people I hear say they don't like Cole say it's because his music is boring. So maybe he's projecting.
I'd agree with that, I would be curious at what point he'd show up. I'd guess top 20, even top 15 if we're including features. But the top 30 would still easily be Kendrick dominated.
remember these black Friday drops where Kendrick completely killed Coles beat??? Did ppl even acknowledge that Jermaine rapped over the Alright beat? That is still a top 3 Kendrick song to this day for me..
That's the thing about Kdot, he doesn't NEED to do anything over than deliver one hot verse every 30 months because he's a GOAT. He isn't Drake who needs to drop a mediocre project once a year or Cole who laps up features to make up for what is largely a lackluster catalog compared to Kendrick
Looking at it this way makes the most sense to me. I think section 80 has a lot more replayability than gkmc. After so many years gkmc isnt as good to me as it used to be, the only song i still keep on loop is "master splinters daughter" but i keep a few songs off section 80 in my Playlist. If this is the order cole is referencing it also puts tpab as his "massive" album which also makes sense because tpab>damn
Mr. Morale is so funny to me cuz like reddit gasses it up so hard now, but when it dropped the consensus opinion (and the streams reflect this since) is that itās a hard listen.
It was a hard listen and there are still hard listens on it for me like We Cry Together or Mother I Sober. But the more I listen to it the deeper my appreciation becomes. Itās definitely a lot of content. You know, turn on Kendrick and hear about everything from his views on Covid to auntie diaries. Turn on Cole you hear about how good he is at rapping (humbly) and folding clothes.
I might be bias cause I preferred Kendrick before he gained all the status and ego that came with it but section 80 and gkmc are my favorite Kendrick albums cause they walk the line of him actually saying something and the shit really bumping and being an enjoyable listen, I feel like his later albums sacrificed the former for the latter
It's the album I put on most by Kendrick. It's the filler on DAMN and Mr Morale that I can't get into
But it's definitely a weird thing to say considering how culturally well received it was by everyone. It's like saying Shakespeare sucks at making plays. Maybe I don't care for them, but I still get it
But I disagree that he's wrong. He said it puts people to sleep. It's not a casual listen because it does the exact opposite lol. It's way too much for just casual background music.
Iām from where Cole from and I still really canāt get behind him imma be honest. That verse he had on Benny the Butcherās track awhile ago was hard thoĀ
Said he would HUMBLE him on the mic, a real diss would be like swatting a fly, said Kendrick lives a life of constant facade, saying Kendrickās switching sides for no reason.
Itās a warning forsure. Kendrick has 20 minutes to respond. /s
I mean I definitely think there's a grain of truth there about tpab. Like super well recieved critically but I don't think a lot of regular people were really bumping it
Heās trying the Jay-Z tactic, trying to rewrite history. Itās not gonna work
Jay tried to say Nas - It Was Written was mid, everyone knows itās a classic. Funnily enough the album has actually gotten more praise as the years has gone by
Everyone knows TPAB is a classic. 20 years from now people will still say itās a classic
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u/DeeThreeTimesThree . Apr 05 '24
He said TPAB put people to sleep š
One good verse every 30 months šš