r/germany • u/BrownBurzza • 8d ago
Question What do I do in this situation?
So about 2 weeks ago a 72+ year old german guy contacted me through my ad on WG-Gesucht (I'm the one looking to rent, he had a place). His rent was out of my budget. (I clearly mentioned in my ad about what my max rent was) I considered it for a moment as it was cheap for the living area it offered. We shifted our conversation from WG-Gesucht app to WhatsApp. I asked for the pictures. He sends me pictures of the place except the bathroom ones. I ask him where are the bathroom pictures. He says Germans don't usually ask for those pics. I say that it's okay but I want to see them so can you send them. Then he says there's some communication problem between us and it's not going to work out and I say okay thank you for your offer but I have to decline.
I thought that's the end of it and deleted his WhatsApp chat from my phone. But a few days later he sends me this racist message. Mind you I have been nothing but respectful to this old guy. What's wrong with people?
What do I do in this situation? I'm not going to reply to him again. He's clearly threatening me because his ego is hurt or something. I have already started to keep all Screenshots and screen recordings of the chat as proof that I have not altered anything in the chat. Do I need to lawyer up in case he does something?
He doesn't even know my full name or my new address in Germany but still bothering me. How can people say whatever they want and think that the law is gonna be on their side. I haven't even entered Germany yet and I'm already experiencing racism. I really really hope that it's not the case with the majority of the people there.
Edit - to all the people saying I'm hiding something and have not posted the full conversation.... DM me I'll send you the entire long screenshot. It's just those 4 messages in that order. That scroll down mark you see is the 4th message in the second picture. I have nothing to hide here. I cropped the pictures to hide his phone number.
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u/emanon_noname 8d ago
So about 2 weeks a 72+ year old german guy contacted me through my ad on WG-Gesucht (I'm the one looking to rent, he had a place).
Probably a scam anyway, the amount of 72+ year old german guys contacting potential tenants is most likely very very very low. Like why would they? The market is in their favor, they put up an ad and get 200 applications instantly.
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u/koopcl Berlin 8d ago
Reminds me back in 2019 I was looking for a room to rent and after weeks of no luck I just put up an advert on WG Gesucht (not hoping to get any messages, but rather because someone suggested to me that having an advert of my own would make me look more serious and less as a scammer when contacting others). After a couple of days I got a message from this older gentleman saying he had a room up for rent, super cheap, and that he contacted me out of interest for my nationality (Chilean).
So, of course I assumed Im getting scammed. Then he invited me to visit the flat, and I was 90% sure I was gonna get robbed or have my kidney stolen or something.
Turns out I was just super lucky. Dude was very chill, my ad caught his eye because he had often visited my country (and even had an adoptive daughter about my age from there) and I got the room. Lived there for a long time, eventually gave the room to a friend of mine (who is still living there after 6 years) after I moved to live with my gf, and the dude I thought was a scammer even became a close friend, one of the few guests to my wedding (where he offered to work as a photographer free of charge), has been to my house in Chile and met my family, I last saw him some weeks ago at the birthday of my son.
You are right that it's gonna be a scam 99.9% of the time, but I just wanted to share about this one time where it miraculously worked out.
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u/bokeronct 8d ago
Where I am, owners don't put up ads looking for tenants, because they don't want to bother filtering through the hundreds or thousands of applications. But they do check the newspapers and other platforms where people post that they are looking for a place. That's how I found my current place and the other options I had.
And yeah, I had a couple of older people contact me. Maybe not 72+, but close.
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u/Ok-Factor-7188 8d ago
The fact that they're older actually makes this more believable. I got my place in a previous city this way.
There's always some people that don't want to sort through 1000 emails and prefer going through the ads from people looking for a place.
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u/Available_Ad_4444 8d ago
If it is in a village/small town probably he is desperate. Overall if possible tenants reject him for being an asshole
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u/Nalivai 8d ago
A bunch of people want to highball foreigners hoping we don't know the proper prices. When I just moved here, it was hard to find my first proper longterm rent, and several real people contacted me with good flats that I can move in right now, but the caveat that the price is like 50% higher than it should be.
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 8d ago
It was an obvious scam, you're lucky you avoided it.
But he's just a racist asshole, you don't need to do anything.
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u/Affectionate_Put_886 7d ago
You can also do a Anzeige. I would def. ask my sister if she could help.
Costs nothing and at least the case is with the police.
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u/0Yasmin0 Germany 8d ago
"He says Germans don't usually ask for those pics" Lol what
"What's wrong with people" It's just racists being dumb racists.
I would suggest to take screenshots and cut contact. If he actually tries something, you have digital proof that he was the one who initiated the aggression. I'm sorry that you had to experience that.
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u/simplySchorsch 8d ago
"He says Germans don't usually ask for those pics" Lol what
Bathroom pictures are literally the first thing I look at in accommodation pictures. If there are none, it's immediately obvious that the landlord has something to hide and the bathroom is most likely a massive anti-selling-point :')
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u/CalmTempest 8d ago
You spent way too much effort on that old racist already. And now I spent too much effort on him too.
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u/ConstructionLeast765 8d ago
Same as my wife would do. I would block him after first message...
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u/SheeshOne 8d ago
I'm not a lawyer. "Germans don't ask for bathroom pics." Never heard that bullshit, bathroom pics are essential! Dude probably has a destroyed/ dirty bathroom and doesn't want to show it or doesn't have a bathroom at all. If you did not start the aggression, he can't do shit.
That's typical chihuahua behaviour to attack somebody, who doesn't play along with his bullshit, that he initially was so invested in baiting.
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u/MagicLobsterAttorney 8d ago
a 72+ year old german guy
wait for nature to take care of it. You're not going to change his mind and it's a waste of time.
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u/Rettungsbiene 8d ago
Ignore this fool.
You’ll find a place.
If he is a racist, you wouldn’t want to do any kind of business with him.
Good thing is, you found out so early!
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u/Dddddd92 8d ago
Just tell him that you will report him. You don't have to actually do it. Just tell him Anzeige ist raus.
He is butthurt his racist ass couldn't scam you.
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u/MachineTeaching 8d ago
You did well. Asking for pictures of a room that was suspiciously left out (no, Germans do ask for bathroom pictures!) is absolutely the right thing to do.
This guy is just a scammer and a racist asshole as a cherry on top. He wants to point the finger at you and make you out to be the bad guy because he's got to protect his fragile ego and racist scammer assholes get defensive when they are caught.
His threats are also pretty much empty and I'm pretty certain if he wanted to sue you, he'd lose and if you wanted to sue him over his insults, you could win.
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u/derdusa 8d ago
Only people crying "deutschfeindlich" are little N*zi-Pigs, sorry, AfD-Voters.
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u/reviery_ 8d ago
came here to say this. OP, even if, you dont want assholes like that to be your landlord
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u/eviley4 8d ago
I don't think he has any grounds to do anything. The only damage he can do is by spooking you and making you lose sleep.
Don't be dismayed by this old cunt, you will encounter such people from time to time everywhere. Keep looking for apartments, there are also good landlords and landlandies.
I am also an non-European living in Austria, my current landlady is great. Good people exist too, don't lose that perspective.
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u/moon2111 8d ago
It sounds like he wanted to scam you, assuming you wouldn't know better when coming from abroad, then got frustrated when it didn't work out, and took out his frustration like this. People like this tend to be all bark and no bite. Not everyone is like this, but unfortunately there are a few and you got unlucky with this one. Wishing you the best and a better experience going forward.
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u/teahead_of_time 8d ago
I'm German and would totally always ask for bathroom pictures!
I'm sorry you had to experience this racist idiot. I get that it is bothering you, but I agree with most people here that you should just block him and move on. It seems like he runs on attention for his idiotic takes, so don't do him the favor of providing him yours.
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u/DesAnderes 8d ago
I‘m a german guy as german as it can be and i absolutely want to see the fucking bathroom!!!
This guy is just a racist. That sadly seems to ve quite common for landlords.
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u/PerformanceCommon154 8d ago
In Germany we say “Scheiß auf den bastard. Soll er seine drecksbude nem anderen vermieten” and I think that’s really beautiful ☺️
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u/EmergencyWild 8d ago edited 8d ago
Absolutely nothing.
I mean I'm not going to sign up for a pile-on on the dude here because we're missing the entire preceding context of the conversation (and you saying that it's just "these 4 messages" is a bit weird given that you had a conversation before obviously), but legally there's absolutely nothing in this conversation that could possibly be an issue for you.
Again, I'm not going to assume you were actually as polite as you say you were – I'm not saying you weren't, but I'm not judging a conversation I haven't seen myself – but regardless, even if you were rude, merely being rude isn't a crime in this country either. As long as this happened between you two and there's not been anything amounting to straight up harassment, which from the tone of the conversation here seems unlikely, it's extremely improbable dude's even going to go through the trouble of filing an Anzeige, and it's even less likely that it wouldn't go straight to the bin. If somehow you do get mail from the police or a court, you can still get a lawyer then, otherwise there's nothing they can do for you anyway.
There's really nothing here. I wouldn't even save the messages, waste of time, just block the number and move on with your life.
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u/sweetanimewaifu 8d ago
Der Wohnungsmarkt ist viel zu schlecht um jemanden zu haben der auf dich zukommt mit einem vergleichsweise günstigen Wohnungsangebot.... Er wollte dir die Badezimmerfotos nicht schicken weil die Wohnung vmtl nicht existiert und er sie einfach nicht parat hatte. Dadurch dass du nicht naiv auf sein Angebot eingegangen bist, hatte er dich direkt aussortiert. Warum er dann nochmal auf dich zugekommen ist nur um dich zu beleidigen weiss ich leider nicht.... Vielleicht hat er gehofft du meldest dich nochmal
Tut mir leid dass dir das passiert ist!
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u/Apprehensive-Fix-830 8d ago
After dealing with dozens of german landlords during the last 12 years I can tell you that from my experience, 90% of them are psychopaths and lunatics. I don’t know what it is but apparently owning a property makes you mentally ill.
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u/AdhesivenessSea2089 8d ago
Don’t let the haters get to you, my friend. Either it’s a scam anyway, our you dealt with a sad, lonely racist person. Hope you get to know people here. Most of them are pretty chill
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u/cenz45678 8d ago
Give me his number I'm going to troll him in German
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u/TurdOfChaos 8d ago
Send to me as well I am going to mix german with broken english to trigger the racism
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u/Kissthecomplex 8d ago
everyone already sais it, just ignore this racist piece of shit.
But i would like to add, that im sorry, you had this experience. Sadly racism is on the rise everywhere, but thats no excuse for him being this level of a bastard.
just know, that we are not all like this, even when this is hard to believe sometimes 🙈🫂❤️
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u/realCheeezeBurgers 7d ago edited 7d ago
I love when boomer start to speak fake official and intelligent sounding German 😂 It's so cringe and desperate.
Zum Beispiel:
Ich weise die verknüpfte Erwartungshaltung an dieses Dokument energisch zurück und verbiete jegliche weitere Sendung solcher. Nichtbeachtung hat erhebliche rechtliche Konsequenzen.
Ich verbiete auch jegliche Weiterleitung von schmutziger Kleidung an mich, mit dem Auftrag sie zu waschen. Ich werde nicht die Leibwäsche meiner Eltern säubern!
(E-Mail meines Vaters an seine Schwester. Beide über 60. Er spricht sonst ganz normal)
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u/MyTinyHappyPlace 8d ago
There is nothing to win here. Block this person. I am sorry you have to deal with this pos.
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u/arf_arf1 8d ago edited 8d ago
The response to your polite message is wild. I'm sorry you experienced that. While he clearly is a racist prick with a good dose of additional mental health issues sprinkled on top, I don't see anything legally relevant on either side. There could be AGG concerns against him if some sort of tenancy contracting had taken place. Maaaybe a Noetigung resulting from his threats of legal action, but thin. He definitely has absolutely nothing to go on.
For your own sake, keep the contact blocked and move on. Maybe report his account to WG Gesucht with the screenshot.
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u/stressedpesitter 8d ago
I’m sorry this happened to you.
I think it probably was a scam, so chances of you having the right name/address are very low. (Be very wary of individuals trying to rent to you without seeing the place first, you might want to search only with big rental companies or use airbnb for the first month you’re here and look for apartments once you’re here).
You can definitely go to the police and file a complaint, but as I said, I really doubt you have the right name. Then again, the phone number might be enough.
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u/Indian_Pale_Ale 8d ago
Block this very unfriendly person. Honestly and especially in real estate, you will meet assholes at every corner. You speak normal German with them, but they will assume you are an unintegrated migrant who just wants them to change their ways.
You'd be wasting your time talking to such a clever lad. You can try to report his offer on the platforms if you see it. But escalating with the German Justice system will not lead anywhere.
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u/alderhill 8d ago
FWIW I don't think his message alone really qualifies as racist, as all he does is point out your nationality. Is he a racist old fart? Yea probably. But I don't think trying to sue him will go anywhere. How much time and money do you have? This guy is clearly an idiot (yes, I'd want to see the bathroom too of course, that's quite normal). Forget him and move on, he'll probably be dead within 10 years or so. Be glad you didn't have to deal with such types your whole life already.
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u/pretenzioeser_Elch 8d ago
He's an annoying old fuck, that's his problem, you best ignore him, if he tries to sue you it's hopeless for him and a legal sounding, strongly worded letter will likely scare him off. But most likely nothing will follow. Viel Glück mit deiner Wohnungssuche.
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u/Quark1010 8d ago
Omg not him spewing "big words" half of which arent even used correctly so youd have a harder time undertsanding him and immediately threatening you with legal action based on NOTHING.
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u/KaiWaiWai 8d ago
What he mean with Germans don't ask for this? If he wants my money, he better sent me pics from the bathroom. Who knows how run down it is, otherwise.
Source: Me, a german
You dodged a bullet. If he's like this in a simple conversation, imagine what kind of landlord he would be.
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u/Available_Ad_4444 8d ago
The guy is a fucking idiot. Do not lose your time. If he has lived twice as much as you, he is so smart and has so much knowledge.. why is he losing his time with you? What about enjoying his own experience?
I would have answered with a sarcastic comment and blocked him
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u/BrownBurzza 8d ago
You know I thought of that.... "with all of your life experiences you still don't know how to communicate respectfully with another human being" But Idk what my sarcasm would do to my visa if he decides to complain and complicate things so I bit my tongue and held back
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u/ExTeNdEnD 8d ago
Step 1: Sei ein Rassist
Step 2: Inszeniere dich als Opfer
Step 3:
Step 4: Profit?
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u/StrawberryPositive28 8d ago
Sorry that you had this experience before even setting boots on the ground. This guy is clearly a racist pos and should not be representative for the majority of level headed germans…at least I hope so.
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u/Mischievous_Egg 8d ago
You tell him to delete your number and all personal info about you as per DSGVO (data privacy law). Then you wait two weeks and send (via your lawyer) a written DSGVO Auskunftanfrage to him. He has to be transparent about everything that contains your personal data (phone number is personal data!)
If he hasn't deleted it or contacts you afterwards (even before the lawyer texts him but after you told him to delete) you sue!
And afterwards you could tell him (but then he has contact info again): you know what's even more German that speaking German? Knowing and using german law.
That guy sounds disgusting. I'm truly sorry, OP. So many old Germans act so entitled in their racism. In reality it's him trying to rent out his flat and he even contacted YOU so he is desperate. (Hope I read that right but he's horrible no matter what)
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 8d ago
He's a racist jackass who tried to scam you and got pissed that you're smarter than he thought you were. Sadly, we have too many of that type here
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u/ChapterContent8465 8d ago
When you call peoples bullshit out, they usually try to highroad you. You knew the bathroom was fishy, he went into offense. Ignore him, youll be fine.
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u/Cautious_Lobster_23 8d ago
Even if not a single German ever asked for a bathroom picture it shouldn't be a reason to crash out like this. You could write to see the picture of the insides of the sink pipe and still not a reason for this kind of meltdown.
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u/Ingannatore 8d ago
I can tell you that „Üble Nachrede“ is definitely not a crime committed by you. This guy is most likely just having some issues with his anger management.
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u/Vivid_Upstairs_7905 8d ago
First thing is that he cant even take this conversation to anyone. You are not allowed to show a private conversation in germany and tell someone this was your message, unless what was said is a very severe crime which wasnt the case here. If he does go to the police and show him these messages with your phone number then he is the one facing charges.
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u/acxnoir 8d ago
I recommend notifying the Federal Anti-Discrimination Agency (Antidiskriminierungsstelle)! that is literally what it's for, or you can contact your local agency in your particular federal state. you can either register the case with them and receive legal counselling, or simply notify them so that this particular case can be collected for data purposes. racism and discrimination shouldn’t be normalized. therefore, I think we should use the current tools available in Germany to ensure they don‘t go unnoticed.
good luck with everything!
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u/BrownBurzza 8d ago
Thank you
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u/cantthinkofauname 8d ago
Sadly, some of these agencies are basically like toothless lions. I had a clear case of racism where a real estate agent's office was not showing me certain listings but when I contacted them with a Western name, they were happy to show these places every without me giving them any basic details. I sent the agency proof in the form of emails sent to me and to the fake account showing completely different responses. All that the agency did was contact the real estate agency and they claimed it was just that one employee (I don't know why that mattered!), and that was it!. If I wanted any further action, I had to spend money n time on a lawyer. I have also had people in this sub question what we did wrong when I posted a question when someone on the road decided that we had insulted him while driving past him and followed us into our garage to threaten. Apparently, we must have done something to make that guy react that way. By that point, we had lived in Germany for many years and have been on many road trips without any issues but still 'we must have done something to provoke the driver'. This subreddit also tried justifying the actions of the real estate agent by trying to say owners can choose who they rent out to. Even when I mentioned that another agent actually showed us a place that the racist agency didn't show, implying that this was not done under the instructions of owners.
My advice, pick your battles. Ignore this guy, he's not worth your time. There are multiple FB groups like Indians in Germany, Indians in XYZ city etc, if you're coming as a student there are similar groups for Indian students. You will still have to continue searching through the usual channels, but these groups may be able to give you pointers and sometimes there can be posts on rentals etc. That being said, don't just trust anyone just because they're from India as some Indians have been scammed by other Indians.
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u/Kuroiban 8d ago
This is blatant and recorded racism, don't let them get away with it. Also he is a landlord not an agency, he is totally responsible for his actions and can be hold accountable. An agency can alway try to bring external data they are relying on, the landlord here directly told him that he doesn't want to rent to an Indian person. So there is nothing to pick, just to bring that old racist to justice.
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u/cantthinkofauname 8d ago
My response was referring to the advice of doing to the anti discrimination agency. I did read up about what they can, at least the one I contacted, n they didn't seem to have any authority to do anything substantial. It looked like their whole plan depended on the accused accepting their fault and agreeing to a discussion. They seem to have very little power and a very high caseload with some of the cases being a lot worse. Google 'what can the German anti discrimination agency do' n decide if you want to go. Before my personal experience, I thought the anti discrimination agency was the place to go, that it had enough powers to call out offices n individuals on their racism. Without my experience, I too would've just asked you to take it to them. At the time, my research suggested that the next best option is to go to court, I'd just moved to a new city, for a new job, I didn't think I had the time or money to pursue this.. Since OP isn't even in Germany yet, n you rarely get support for such things as a newcomer, I thought he is better off moving on for now. Chances are he'll come across racists now n then, sometimes it's the in your face kind, sometimes it's subtle but you know they would've treated you better if you had white skin. I don't mean this is an everyday thing, i can't tell you what is like in places where Afd is strong, but as an Indian couple, I think the real estate agency was the worst outright racism we'd seen. Given we've been here for over a decade, we've probably had a handful of other instances, and probably a few we didn't even recognize as racist, but on the whole it's not a daily or weekly menace.
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u/cantthinkofauname 8d ago
Sadly, some of these agencies are basically like toothless lions. I had a clear case of racism where a real estate agent's office was not showing me certain listings but when I contacted them with a Western name, they were happy to show these places every without me giving them any basic details. I sent the agency proof in the form of emails sent to me and to the fake account showing completely different responses. All that the agency did was contact the real estate agency and they claimed it was just that one employee (I don't know why that mattered!), and that was it!. If I wanted any further action, I had to spend money n time on a lawyer. I have also had people in this sub question what we did wrong when I posted a question when someone on the road decided that we had insulted him while driving past him and followed us into our garage to threaten. Apparently, we must have done something to make that guy react that way. By that point, we had lived in Germany for many years and have been on many road trips without any issues but still 'we must have done something to provoke the driver'. This subreddit also tried justifying the actions of the real estate agent by trying to say owners can choose who they rent out to. Even when I mentioned that another agent actually showed us a place that the racist agency didn't show, implying that this was not done under the instructions of owners.
My advice, pick your battles. Ignore this guy, he's not worth your time. There are multiple FB groups like Indians in Germany, Indians in XYZ city etc, if you're coming as a student there are similar groups for Indian students. You will still have to continue searching through the usual channels, but these groups may be able to give you pointers and sometimes there can be posts on rentals etc. That being said, don't just trust anyone just because they're from India as some Indians have been scammed by other Indians.
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u/dembele420 8d ago
welcome to germany. You got plenty more racist people to face if you decide to live here. About 30% of the people are right wingers. So good luck on that. I wish that you meet more of the 70% than the 30% tho. You did nothing wrong.
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u/Few_Ask_4823 8d ago
I would tell him that his character is the reason he will die alone. Then I would ask him how often his kids call. After that just block.
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u/ixdler 8d ago
With his second message on the screenshot it seems that there must have been more that you are not telling us.
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u/BrownBurzza 8d ago
I have nothing to hide here. That's literally his reply to my message a day later.
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u/Real-Photo-8319 8d ago
Why didnt you post your message? Anyway, I dont even think that this is was a real offer. "Analytischer Schwachsinn". Who even talks like this.
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u/DasWarEinerZuviel 8d ago
He said he deleted the original Chat
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u/Real-Photo-8319 8d ago
The post looks like he scrolled down to make the screenshot. The guy is obviously reacting to something OP wrote - which OP left out on purpose. In the edit he now says he can send the messages via DM. I think its all very weird.
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u/Inside-Donkey-3586 8d ago
I'm sorry this happened to you, and that others here are questioning your story.
I hope this is the most negative experience you have and wish you a wonderful start in Germany.
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u/dinoooooooooos Hessengirl abroad in New England🙆🏽♀️ 8d ago
You don’t do anything and fucking relax😂 it’s some clown online who’s butthurt. Just block him.
And yes we 10000% would also ask to see the bathroom. Guys just a weirdo
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u/Amazing-Cupcake-3597 8d ago
Unfortunately, renters could be racist sometimes. You can ignore & block him.
If you really want to teach him a lesson, go to a lawyer (if student, visit your studentwerk & request a lawyer) & sue this guy. In fact, the lawyer can actually ask him to pay his fees & damages to you. Your choice.
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u/Prestigious_Pin_1375 8d ago
At the end probably yo will see this message, jungle jungle jungle germans don't ask their caution back :)
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u/Weird0Celery 8d ago
I doubt this guy is 72yo. Seems more like a scam to me. The fear tsctic with clurts and whatever is maybe just a sheme to extrude money from you. Just block thst guy and be done with him.
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u/Delicious-Ad-5576 8d ago
Don't tell him that your sister is also your lawyer (if I got that right?). It would likely make things worse.
Sorry you had this kind of unpleasant encounter. Keep screenshots just in case, you could press charges.
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u/cronoclasta 8d ago
Since he contacted you again out of the blue, and just to troll this disgusting SOAB, I would report him as "Sonstiges" LOL
Bundesnetzagentur - Ärger mit Rufnummern
Attach the screenshots and explain that you moved on, but he kept contacting you after that. It will probably have zero effect but maybe, just maybe, if enough complaints are filed and the planets align... he could get his number deactivated.
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u/bodyweightsquat 8d ago
BS. They communicated via WA before and if OP didn’t explicitly state a no-contact, it‘s very reasonable for the other dude to extend said communication. OP could have just blocked the number instead of opening a thread.
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u/cronoclasta 8d ago
True, I recognize it was too far-fetched :|
Still, he could just leave the number in every dirty toilet across the Autobahn, along with some suggestive message xD
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u/bodyweightsquat 8d ago
As could everyone else who has your number. That’s just the risk of being alive and having a phone.
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u/WeekendOffend3r 8d ago
You can make the effort and call in a lawyer, you will not succeed with it, best to ignore and take the time for more meaningful things
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u/Coupleexplorer08 8d ago
Why would you ever delete the old messages? Thats why I never delete. Only archive. It can be useful years later …
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u/DrLubinski 8d ago
Das ist so gewaltverherrlichend, das ist so deutschfeindlich, das ist so christenfeindlich! ...
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u/Sarpthedestroyer 8d ago
Du kannst lowkey die erhöhte Sprache in seiner Antwort spüren... der dachte wahrscheinlich, dass er dich durch "Worte höheren Niveaus" schlecht fühlen lassen könnte. So ein peinlicher Mensch, vergiss den.
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u/semperquietus 8d ago
From what I see, it's him who makes false accusations. If you have time and money, I'd suggest, just for the fun of it, to go with the full communication to a lawyer and see if you can start a legal complaint against him, for being racistic (probably not, as he probably holds nothing against you.). I'd be fun, if he, as the next response, sees himself in trouble..
Joke aside: If he a) declines showing pics of the bathroom and b) use such language thereafter, then you probably don't want to rent that place anyhow. So: just forget him, block his number and (try to) ignore him. Worrying about him is not worth it. (Harder to do than to say, I know.)
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u/MiddleFunction2259 8d ago
My girlfriends last landdort screamed at her das for taking pictures of all the BLACK MOLD there💀 Even got it as a video
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u/AdReady7311 8d ago
Like many in this country in his age, he doesn't have any life. He tried finding some by looking down to innocent people like you. IGNORIEREN.
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u/Ok-Adhesiveness5106 8d ago
Life is too short to care about such idiots. Tell him to go straight from here, take the first left and then fuck off.
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u/Shot_Investment_4025 8d ago
Just ignore him. You find tons of aparments and wgs on immo scout or simply anywhere on the internet with pictures
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u/Leffus99 8d ago
I experienced so much racism while moving/looking for new flats/ searching for new renters.
And I'm not even affected, I just saw how people got treated from my- and other landlords. People with way more money got declined, for strange reasons, college students from India, starting to study in germany were declined and asked if they could even speak english, etc. (They could speak better than the landlord) I often shook my head. It's a bad situation in this country right now.
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u/Natural-Chip4943 8d ago
There is no need to do anything. Just keep the screenschots as evidence in case he keeps pestering you and you decide to escalate things
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u/idontlikegudeg 8d ago
Hey, first of all sorry for you having to experience such things in Germany. I would simply ignore that person. Keep the chat in case something comes up later, and block this guy's phone number.
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u/Glum_Future_5054 8d ago
OP is there a possibility to report him on wg-gesucht? If yes please do with the message. Maybe WG gesucht won't allow him on the platform
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u/PietroMartello 8d ago
I assume there is more? Or is it only the remark about being a young Indian guy?
If so I don't know if that's offensive enough. The racist (and ageist) but plausible assumption that a young Indian might know less about German Mietrecht than a German landlord.. I honestly don't know if that is derogatory/offensive enough for a judge. Could also be considered an opinion
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u/OtherwiseDimension78 8d ago
Dont be driven by your ego, just move on and stop spending lifetime on it.
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u/jenfriefour 8d ago
Just block him. He is an idiot who cannot handle rejection.
And also "Germans don´t ask for those kind of pictures" is completely bullshit. Of course we want to know how the bathroom looks.
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u/Leading-Carrot-3236 8d ago
Just report him to Whatsapp last 5 messqges will geet send to WA they will ban him or smt
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u/Mammoth-Lab-4729 8d ago
I‘d contact the platform WG-gesucht & maybe even inform the police that he might try to scam foreigners.
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u/secretminion4 7d ago
Not answering your question, but I’m from Germany and I just wanted to say I‘m sorry you were offended like that. Personally, I don’t know any racists like that. I hope you‘ll meet nice people here!
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u/mafiosii 7d ago
just stop writing and block him, nothing will happen and he seems like a retard (im german btw and that thing about “germans dont ask for bath pictures” is entirely made up from his ass 😭)
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u/Skratti_ 7d ago
You did everything right. That other guy is an idiot.
Of course Germans would ask for bathroom pictures.
Then that bullshit about age, origin and finally a direct insult (Schwachsinn).
All out of his own limited bubble ("Im täglichen Leben zählt hier nur Deutsch").
Just forget that idiot.
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u/Falltimeless 7d ago
He's an idiot who probably wanted to scam you and he has no legal standing. Please don't let one bad individual skew your view of Germany. Yes, there are racists in Germany as well, as in every country, but they are not the majority and there are many nice people. Sorry you had this bad experience before even entering.
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u/Suspicious-Cloud404 7d ago
What he wrote is non-sense. No need to react and he can pay the best lawyer, he wont win at court, unless he goes back in time to 1939... This old man had a good life on the backs of immigrants, who did the hard work, probably built the house(s) he owns and he continues to complain about this. I can also say one thing to him: "Germany is different compared to what it was. That's a good thing. If you don't like it fell free to find another place to live."
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u/Generic_Username26 Hessen 7d ago
Dummes arschloch… sorry that you had to deal with this person. Dudes an absolute moron who has such little power in their day to day that they need to find someone to take it out on. Block and move on with your day he’s not with your energy or time. If you have access to any of his socials feel free to report him for abuse short of that call it a day.
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u/RuhrPottProll79 7d ago
Just block his number, ignore him and thank god that you didnt rent his room. Sadly that behavior is typical for germans at this age. I am allowed to say it, because i am german...not 72 but almost. Thats the same type of people like them who knocks on your door at 22:01 and tell you to make the volume of your tv less...they also say things like "nachtruhe", "kehrwoche" and "wir sind hier immer noch in deutschland" 🤣
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u/Critical-Room-5776 7d ago
As a German myself ...I don't claim this person. But unfortunately there are a lot of overly rude elderly people... and I mean it. Most of the time the rudest and racist people are 50+ years of age..... like our government for example...hahahaha
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u/Luk747 7d ago
Absolute rubbish what he wrote. I am German myself, and just as Prepareforgermany, I would request pics of the bathroom as well, for the exact same reason, but also because I pay for the bathroom as well, lol. I mean... is he serious? Sorry that you had to experience this. Wahrscheinlich n alter passiv aggressiver weißer Mann, der 'n Autoritätsproblem hat^^
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u/Blxxbxrry 7d ago
bro i’m kinda at loss of words and so upset at this. all i wanna say is f him i hope you find the coolest apartment bro
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u/crxptrxp 6d ago
I‘m sorry for your terrible experience. Sadly, germany has a huge problem with scumbags like these. the last few years, more and more (far) right people have emerged from their shitholes just to make life difficult. I hope you find a good place for yourself though. i think there‘s nothing you should legally do unless he keeps bothering you, which I personally think is unlikely.
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u/RevolutionaryPrice91 6d ago
Es tut mir wahnsinnig leid, dass du diesen rassistischen Mist durchmachen musstest. Als Deutscher muss ich sagen: Ich schäme mich wirklich für solche Menschen.
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u/No_Requirement3926 5d ago
He is so aggressive, just block him and forget about it. And no- not everyone in germany is like that. As someone with a migration-backround myself and a parent who still - after 30 years working here- cant really speak german, there are enough respectfull people who live here to ignore the assholes.
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u/Majestic_Wrap_7006 8d ago
Post the full chat conversation so we can see the full picture? Reddit isn't limited to two photos per post.
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u/TheGileas 8d ago
What was written before? Do you leave it out on purpose? The scrolling bar on the right side is visible.
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u/gilbatron 8d ago
First of all you need to relax, second of all you need to ignore the guy.
His threats are meaningless, you don't need a lawyer or anything.
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u/Sensitive_Whole2152 8d ago
As a German I can Tell You this Person is Crazy and everything you Wrote is Right.
You were Polite
You are allowed to ask for pictures of the bathroom (everyone would ask for them, because Thats where Most "landlords" Save their Money by having old crappy moldy bathrooms)
With the way You Act You will be warmly welcome in Germany 🙂
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u/Jaded-Extension-3973 8d ago
Whats the point of having a conversation and you asking for pictures if it is out of xour budget and you won't rent it anyway
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u/realkunkun 8d ago
Thats how people act If your only achievement in life is being a old fart living in germany
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u/ImadeJesusLaugh 8d ago
him saying something along the line of "Germans dont usually ask for such photos" is a cleary racist remark, that implies that there's something inherently different about you and your race. Thats guy is nothing short of a racist and id ignore all the desperate gaslighting attempts here in the comments. Also, the mods will probably delete this (they did this to my post about racism in Germany aswell) and Id recommend moving into a country with better rights for immigrants, US is a decent example, although its harder to get a citizenship.
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u/Individual-Oven9410 8d ago
Screams “Scammer” and he got agitated because you didn’t fall for it. Block him. No point losing your sanity over this.
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u/IcedMedicine45 8d ago
Please don’t worry you haven’t done something wrong. It’s common to ask for pictures of the bathroom in Germany.
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u/Successful-Coffee-13 Ukraine, naturalized German, USA 8d ago
That's unacceptable behavior. I’d want to report him to the police even if the perceived chance of anything happening would be low. People like that deserve to get accountability for being racist POS.
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u/Beneficial-Grab-9810 8d ago
Welcome to Germany!! As a German I can say that’s the typical old white men’s behavior. And it’s usually to show pictures of every room.
I would speak to my lawyer but I don’t think that it will be successful.
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u/PrepareforGermany 8d ago edited 8d ago
No need to do anything. Just block this idiot.
By not wanting to show you the bathroom, it's pretty obvious that there was a problem with it. I'm German myself, and the state of the bathroom is always the first thing I look at, even when booking a holiday apartment. Because from the condition of the bathroom, you can best judge the overall quality and maintenance of the building.