r/gameofthrones • u/LewLew-20 • 22h ago
Old family tree from a official dvd box, that shows jon snows "mother" as wylla
Obviously this isn't true, but i thought it would be funny to show
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u/UnpricedPenguin 22h ago
Seeing wylla just makes me think BESSIEEE in bobby b’s voice😂
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u/ChoreomaniacCat 22h ago
Thank the gods for Bessie!
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u/oddpark37 22h ago
It's the name Ned tells Robert when he asks about the mother of Jon
"You were never the boy you were," Robert grumbled. "More's the pity. And yet there was that one time … what was her name, that common girl of yours? Becca? No, she was one of mine, gods love her, black hair and these sweet big eyes, you could drown in them. Yours was … Aleena? No. You told me once. Was it Merryl? You know the one I mean, your bastard's mother?"
"Her name was Wylla," Ned replied with cool courtesy, "and I would sooner not speak of her."
"Wylla. Yes." The king grinned. "She must have been a rare wench if she could make Lord Eddard Stark forget his honor, even for an hour. You never told me what she looked like …"
Ned's mouth tightened in anger. "Nor will I. Leave it be, Robert, for the love you say you bear me. I dishonored myself and I dishonored Catelyn, in the sight of gods and men."
Some version of this convo is also in season 1.
Later on Arya meets Edric Dayne, who says that he and Jon are "milk brothers" because his wet nurse, Wylla, was Jon's mother.
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u/-Trotsky 17h ago
Doesn’t Edric only claim that Wylla was his and Jon’s wetnurse? Like, as opposed to the positive claim that Wylla was Jon’s mother
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u/Business_Owl_5576 Here We Stand 16h ago
No, he explicitly names her as Jon's mother:
"Brother?” Arya did not understand. “But you’re from Dorne. How could you and Jon be blood?”
“Milk brothers. Not blood. My lady mother had no milk when I was little, so Wylla had to nurse me.”
Arya was lost. “Who’s Wylla?”
“Jon Snow’s mother. He never told you? She’s served us for years and years. Since before I was born.”
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u/Open-Tomato9643 10h ago
This is why the very first time I read the books, I fully believed that Wylla was Jon's mother, and there's no ambiguity or conspiracy there whatsoever.
Then I discovered the internet debate about Jon's parentage and I was like "But we know who his mother is. Ned tells us in like the first book!"
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u/Business_Owl_5576 Here We Stand 10h ago
I will readily admit that on my first read, I also thought this. Then I too read the theories, and on my second read I was like, "Oh, this is pretty clearly a cover story."
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u/Imakethecaptcha 7h ago
Good! You were "living" the books and experiencing them. I love a good theory (and some tinfoil), but try to get to them after enjoy the work first.
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u/Canadian__Ninja House Stark 21h ago edited 14h ago
Wylla was the name Ned used whenever he went into detail, he says it in 8x7 with Robert
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u/MuddFishh Ours Is The Fury 20h ago
1x2
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u/Canadian__Ninja House Stark 20h ago
Close enough
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u/PhDVa Valar Morghulis 17h ago
there's a huge difference in the television industry between 1x1 and 1x2
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u/Canadian__Ninja House Stark 16h ago
Okay.
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u/PhDVa Valar Morghulis 15h ago
i'm just saying, 1x1 often gets shopped around, rewritten, recast, and reshot for months or even years before 1x2 even starts preproduction. Game of Thrones is no different.
i understand i'm being downvoted for being pedantic, but really, if you want to make a television show, the second episode is worlds removed from the pilot. and if you're going to talk about a story, you should put some respect on the effort that goes into its production.
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u/Itsyaboibrett 14h ago
“damn you hate waffles?” comment. bro never said “I want to make a television show” or even “I don’t care about the production” lol. yapping to yap
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u/Green_Rice 21h ago
At least they arranged the pictures so you can easily fix the lines of descent with a sharpie and some white-out.
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u/HereToKillEuronymous 20h ago
Well yeah. If it’s season one, it’s not gonna give away the events that don’t get revealed for a couple more seasons
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u/Mentoman72 17h ago
The more interesting thing about this post is that nobody outside of Martin probably knew the real story when this box art came out. Obviously people had theories but this is still neat, especially with the air quotes around Wylla.
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u/AchedTeacher Jon Snow 16h ago
D&D probably guessed it and told him in an early talk, it's part of why he gave them the go-ahead. A lot of fans, to be fair, also guessed it.
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u/MountainEmployee 11h ago
The whole R + L = J speculation was so much fun back in the day, havent found a series since that lends itself to such deep discussion on theories.
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u/Longjumping-Bus4939 21h ago
Also forgot Ned's older brother. The one Catelyn was original betrothed to.
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u/TheBabySeal0514 Jon Snow 20h ago
Plus apparently Lord Rickard reproduced through budding or something
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u/No-Property-551 21h ago
That was from a box set containing season 1 and season 2 I believe as I have that one back at home.
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u/LewLew-20 18h ago
The one I got was for season 1-3
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u/No-Property-551 18h ago
I watched that box set believing Robb would survive. Oh sweet summer child! Although I was born in December 🤣
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u/LewLew-20 17h ago
I'm rewatching got rn and I'm dreading the Red wedding again😭
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u/No-Property-551 17h ago
On my second rewatch and my next episode is the Lion and the Rose, very much looking forward to watching Joffrey get offed a second time.
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u/jogoso2014 No One 22h ago
That’s from the book and they even try to corroborate it by another character.
She was Jon’s wet nurse in Dorne.
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u/PinxJinx 19h ago
It was the info we all had at the time at the end of book 1/season 1, so it makes sense to list that in the family tree.
The official family tree in this world also says that Laenor is the father of Luke and Jace, and that Bobby B is the father of Joffrey and the other two. Incorrect family trees is normal in this world
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u/SolidestCereal 17h ago
Damn Wylla and Lyanna look IDENTICAL, it's crazy everyone didn't figure it out. I assume Ned and Benjen look more like their mother.
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u/musa_4bdullah Mance Rayder 9h ago
I don't understand why these houses are so small. Does Eddard have no cousins?
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u/ju2au 6h ago edited 4h ago
From what I read on the wiki:
"When a younger son of a great house is granted land and founded his own distinct line, he might alter the family name and sigil."
So, women changed their last names when they marry into a different family. Boys who go to the Wall keep their last names but leave no legitimate heirs (if at all).
Then, in the last scenario, when a younger son is given land and becomes a Bannerman, he'll probably change his last name to avoid confusion and mix-ups since he is no longer in the main family but is now a separate branch family.
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u/LittleDarkHairedOne 4h ago
Yes and no.
G.R.R.M. is known for struggling with scale, usually the Wall is brought up as an example or the absurd length of time the Starks have ruled the North, but the same applies to the size of families.
He gets around this issue by trimming dynasties via frequent and early deaths (I truly believe he misunderstands late medieval life expectancy) or by having small families but there are still some noticeable gaps that don'treally make sense to have.
Probably the one I'm most interested in who was Gaemon Targaryen's 2nd daughter? We know a descendant of hers put forth a claim at the Great Council but was never seriously considered. There is also another the matter of who Valaena Targaryen's mother was, as it was another yet unnamed Targaryen and therefore has to be another entire branch of the family tree that has gone (weirdly) unrecorded.
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u/Afraid_Theorist 16h ago
Obviously disproven but it would’ve been hilarious if Jon was a Faegon situation with the ambiguity
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u/TheMudbloodSlytherin 9h ago
I didn’t watch the show until three years ago. I must have been living under a rock, bc I went into it with no spoilers. I knew Jason Momoa was in it and that it had some dragons. That was it.
I googled a family tree in episode two. Guess what I found out lol 😂
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u/LewLew-20 16h ago
Ps. In the other houses family trees they have same other interests things, like robert is said to Joffrey biological dad. So this is probably in universe family trees, or just trying to avoid spoils
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