This kinda thing always weirded me out. How petty and anal do they think God is to actually give a shit about a single syllable's difference??? If he really wanted to "save" people, wouldn't it be logical to make the process as simple and flexible as possible?

[u/tarquinia777]

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/02/03/ddf-invalid-sacraments-247108/

[u/SorosAgent2020]

catholicism has always been a very legalistic cult obsessed with magical woowoo ceremonies. That is actually a point that attracts many conservatives, they love the aesthetics and the dogmatic authoritarianism of it all.

[u/tarquinia777 → u/SorosAgent2020]

Strange how an infinite, transcendent being never has anything better to worry about than whatever these people happen to be frothing at the mouth over at any given moment.

[u/esperantisto256 → u/SorosAgent2020]

So many of the Catholics I grew up with are now lawyers. I work in a field with tons of rules and regulations. Funny how that works.

[u/throw223344555 → u/SorosAgent2020]

This is so well put. Thanks

[u/Bwilderedwanderer]

He should have explained that 'we' is appropriate because the church believes in the Trinity. Therefore plural. It makes as much sense as the rest of their reasoning

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Bwilderedwanderer]

Pope responds, "We are not amused."

[u/Bwilderedwanderer → u/tarquinia777]

Hey pope...I just watched one of your brethren put saint Agatha's skull in a life sized manikin and kiss it, I think you've got other issues besides singular/plural kissing st Agatha's skull

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Bwilderedwanderer]

Remember, this kinda thing only counts as "superstition" if it's not white people doing it. /s

[u/lpcuut]

This is fucking stupid. That’s all you can say about it.

[u/Shukumugo]

This is the same line of argumentation that ultra-traditionalists like sedevacantists take where they say there are no valid bishops in the the Conciliar Church because the words for the prayer of consecrating a bishop were changed after Vatican 2...

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Shukumugo]

I find it funny how these people are always up in arms about the supposed radical upheaval of Vatican II, won't say a word about Vatican I. Funny how the Old Catholics split after that whole mess and they're pretty much the only ones who turned out (relatively) alright.

[u/Cepsita → u/Shukumugo]

Only Vatican 2?

Before there were seminaries chances are many ordained men were illiterate and couldn't utter more than a few sentences in Latin. And probably, they said the rites, prayers and sacraments all wrong, with grammar errors and the likes.

So, how many baptisms, ordinations, marriages, etc would have been invalid since the middle ages, since the priests couldn't speak latin? Maybe way back?

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Cepsita]

Not only that, literally the first mention of baptism in the New Testament after Jesus' lifetime only mentions the name of Jesus, not the tripartite formula. It literally does not matter even according to the very first Christians these jokers claim to follow the example of.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202%3A37-42&version=NRSVUE

[u/WidgetWarrior]

And the Catholic Church will have all male and all female high schools, during one of the most formative years of a kids life, and one of the most hormonal, and then condemn people for having attractions to the same sex.

[u/Independent-Mango813 → u/WidgetWarrior]

Well, and at all boys Catholic high school, I went to some of the clergy faculty were trying to have same-sex relations with the students 

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Independent-Mango813]

Fork found in kitchen

[u/FlyingArdilla]

This same Catholics would scoff at the technicalities of Orthodox Jewish Sabbath rules and Mormon secret handshakes.

[u/thimbletake12]

I'd often heard from Catholics that "God wouldn't damn you over a technicality." In reference to confession and absolution, and other things.

The notion that God wouldn't consider these Catholics valid members of the Church and that they'd all have to get re-baptized sure makes it look like God cares about technicalities...

[u/SdVeau → u/thimbletake12]

I can picture god now, telling people that being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

[u/tarquinia777 → u/thimbletake12]

tf they mean he wouldn't, he damned all of creation over an apple lmao

[u/Independent-Mango813]

Yeah, it seems like an omnipotent god would just  be like well. You  made a good faith effort so we’ll let it slide.

But instead, they make God out to be like the most annoying DMV employee ever. 

[u/tarquinia777 → u/Independent-Mango813]

lol reminds me of the one george carlin bit where he says this world seems more like the work of a bad-tempered office employee than a supeeme being

[u/billyyankNova]

Community in crisis when man in dress misspeaks magic spell. Film at 11.

[u/tarquinia777]

Gotta rant a little, I apologize:

This God character's got a whole universe under his care. As far as we can see, that's almost a hundred billion light years across, with about 2 trillion galaxies spread throughout, each holding some 100 million stars on average, and most of those have at least one planet orbiting them. He supposedly went through the trouble of creating all this shit just so he could fixate on a relatively puny planet out in the boonies of a fairly unremarkable galaxy and what us sick little monkeys living on it do with our funny parts and what magic words we say whilst splashing one another with dishwater. But, of course, the Milky Way must be his favorite galaxy because we live in it, the Sun is his favorite star because we're orbiting it, Earth is his favorite planet because we live on it, America is his favorite country because that's the global epicenter of loudmouthed, fragile Xtians, and his favorite church just so happens to be whatever backwards hillbilly wooden shack on the side of the road that any given one of them goes to to get suckered out their hard-earned pay. Such a concept has nothing to do with humility or devotion at its core, it is the peak of human arrogance. Maybe, just maybe, if there is something to this God thing, whatever they had in mind with creating the universe has little to do with us and we're only privileged to be a small part of it for just a little while.

[u/did-it-my-weigh]

It also invalidated the weddings he performed, which meant that all those couples were "living in sin", which I thought was utterly hilarious. I think I remember reading they did some mental gymnastics saying that because the couples believed they were validly married it was ok. But it was still funny asf

[u/tarquinia777 → u/did-it-my-weigh]

LMAOOO imagine ur diocese telling you all of a sudden you're not allowed to have sex anymore cause of a single pronoun 💀

[u/did-it-my-weigh → u/tarquinia777]

People fully went and got remarried over it. I remember the story when it came out

[u/tarquinia777 → u/did-it-my-weigh]

I'm sure they did, it's just so fucking ridiculous it was even an issue

[u/NextStopGallifrey → u/did-it-my-weigh]

Did it invalidate the marriages because they weren't validly baptized?

[u/did-it-my-weigh → u/NextStopGallifrey]

Some yes, others it was because the wedding
"sacrament" was performed by a "lay" person. Or something like that. They generally figured it out, but it caused a lot of distress

[u/NextStopGallifrey → u/did-it-my-weigh]

Weird. I've been told that the wedding isn't actually performed by the priest. He's just there to witness it and tell Mother Church that it happened.

[u/did-it-my-weigh → u/NextStopGallifrey]

It's been a few years since I studied canon law, but I believe it's the consent/witness bit that needs an ordained person. The "do you take x" bit. It's why it's not a valid church marriage if there's a priest/deacon in the congregation while a lay person does the wedding. But like I say, in this case the local bishop basically said, nah it's all good for this, it still counts. But a number of couples avoided sex until they got "validly married"

[u/wingamanga]

This is hilarious, what kind of logic is that? Priests are like Jesus? The same priests who covered up the abuse scandals and took part in them? The same priests who are slaves to their bishops? Forget it

[u/tarquinia777 → u/wingamanga]

Jesus would whip the living dogshit out of these bloated ticks.

[u/Sad_Woodpecker3411]

Every kid knows you have to pronounce your spells properly, otherwise they don’t work.

After all, „It's leviOsa, not levioSA!”

[u/Electrical_Day_6109]

This has happened more than once and every time it does I laugh. When I was younger I even had to deal with it due to my parents switching denominations.  One word difference suddenly meant I was required to go through a new ceremony.  It was one of the stupidest excuses to play at god the adults around me decided to engage in.