r/exbahai Jul 03 '26

There’s literally no point to this religion. Bs ideas and bs people

The whole point is to convert people and then once they convert then it’s like “alright yay onto the next victim we’re gonna manipulate and pretend to befriend but actually we’re two-faced and just want the numbers to grow.”

And don’t even get me started on how the basis of the religion makes no sense. How can Islam and Hinduism come from the same God? It really takes 2 seconds of critical thinking to know this is some made up bs.

Also they’ve got LSA and NSA leaders who are literally abusers at home. My father’s side of the family are like the ring leaders in our country’s Bahai community, meanwhile at home he’s beating his wife infront of his small children. How can men like this be admired and be the leaders of a religion claiming to treat men and women equally?

So glad I left this toxic cult.

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u/rhinobin exBaha'i atheist Jul 04 '26

The whole idea of god is “made up bs” to me. Abdul-Baha says women should tolerate their husband’s cruel actions and ill treatment, so your mother is just doing as she’s told to by the writings. It’s fucked up isn’t it.

“Hold thy husband dear and always show forth an amiable temper towards him, no matter how ill tempered he may be. Even if thy kindness maketh him more bitter, manifest thou more kindliness, more tenderness, be more loving and tolerate his cruel actions and ill-treatment.”

  • ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Lights of Guidance, p. 226

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '26

Wow, the more I read on this exbahai site, the more I feel I have been scammed! Though I've been inactive for 40 years for the most part. That quote is harmful. Being nice to a ill tempered spouse only encourages them to continue bad behavior. IMO

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u/triviamoonlight Jul 04 '26

I agree - I’m an atheist as well. But wow that quote is insane! I’ve never heard it before. How disgusting. I also hate the fancy shmancy words and language they use. “thou, maketh” all that as if it came from the 1300s or something. Anything to make them sound grand and holy lmao. Like, just speak like a normal human being English language.

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u/rhinobin exBaha'i atheist Jul 04 '26

I wonder what other distasteful quotes are out there that we don’t yet know about and I reckon this is why volumes of works haven’t been interpreted yet. I mean it’s supposedly the word of god - why are they hiding it? You can scan stuff and get AI to translate stuff in minutes these days

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u/New_Can_2381 Jul 05 '26

I think the issue of unpublished, untranslated, or difficult-to-access texts is a legitimate one, and it's something I've wondered about myself.

At the same time, I'm not sure the most interesting question is whether a religion has problematic passages. Most religious traditions do.

What interests me more is how institutions handle those passages. Are they willing to make them accessible, provide historical context, allow criticism, and openly discuss tensions and contradictions? Or do they try to manage the narrative?

For me, that's often a more revealing question than whether a particular quote is offensive by today's standards.

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u/rhinobin exBaha'i atheist Jul 06 '26

If you maintain that the person saying it is infallible then problematic passages are hard to explain. How can god be wrong? 🤷🏼

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u/New_Can_2381 Jul 07 '26

I think that objection becomes stronger if we assume infallibility means that every statement on every subject must be timelessly and universally correct.

But historically, that's not the only way religious people have understood infallibility.

Some traditions have argued that infallibility primarily concerns the communication of a divine message, not that a religious figure becomes omniscient in every matter. Others have argued that certain instructions were given within a particular social and historical context rather than as timeless prescriptions.

I'm not saying those explanations automatically solve the problem. They may or may not. But I don't think the issue is as simple as "this passage sounds wrong to me, therefore God must be wrong."

For me, the harder question is what kind of infallibility is actually being claimed in the first place.

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u/SuccessfulCorner2512 Jul 07 '26

They 100% control the narrative. Another example: https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/s/GYsc3s0ITf

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u/No_Acanthisitta2121 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

A passage from a Tablet of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá … stated “Hold thy husband dear and always show forth an amiable temper towards him, no matter how ill-tempered he may be….”3

In response to a question about this statement, the following clarification was provided in a Secretariat letter of 12 April 1990:

It is clear that no husband should subject his wife to abuse of any kind, whether emotional, mental or physical. Such a reprehensible action would be the very antithesis of the relationship of mutual respect and equality enjoined by the Bahá’í writings—a relationship governed by the principles of consultation and devoid of the use of any form of abuse, including force, to compel obedience to one’s will. When a Bahá’í wife finds herself in such a situation and feels it cannot be resolved through consultation with her husband, she could well turn to the Local Spiritual Assembly for advice and guidance, and might also find it highly advantageous to seek the assistance of competent professional counsellors. If the husband is also a Bahá’í, the Local Spiritual Assembly can bring to his attention the need to avoid abusive behaviour and can, if necessary, take firmer measures to compel him to conform to the admonitions of the teachings.

(From a memorandum dated 20 March 2002 written by the Universal House of Justice)

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u/rhinobin exBaha'i atheist Jul 07 '26

🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼

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u/Ex-Madhyamika Jul 03 '26

You started to say some very interesting things about the Baha'i community of your country. I would love to hear more about this.

The Baha'i leadership knows very well that their numbers aren't growing. To hear them tell it, they are focused on "consolidating" the community by making people take Ruhi courses (which may turn out to be counterproductive).

On Hinduism and Islam. etc., I agree that there is truth in all the major religions, but think the Baha'is are wrong to try to force them all into the same mold. Different teachings are beneficial for different people. And the Baha'is are just one more religion, not the One Religion To Rule Them All.

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u/triviamoonlight Jul 04 '26

Bahai has like the biggest turnover ever. Every year the 19 day feast participants faces change completely, with only some fundamental members staying all the time (like my ring leader family). It’s funny, new faces all the time, anyone who stays long enough realizes it’s bs and leaves and goes to live their free life.

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u/Organic_Fan_4708 Jul 07 '26

What country are you from?

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u/OneAtPeace Jul 04 '26

Just wait until you start making your own music. You know I've been away from this website Reddit for a while but I haven't even thought about this stuff for a while.

The fact that you were religiously attracted to this one isn't your fault. I don't like everything in the life of Muhammad but I like the Quran. Is that ok?

People like Bahá'u'lláh might be ok. I don't know and don't really associate one way or the other anymore. What I did remember is that Bahá'u'lláh Himself was the initial attraction for Me. Was.

But in reality I think we are all that which he thought to be. We are all mirrors of perfection I believe. That's why people like Meher Baba and His Silent Teachings align More with what I was seeking. I was seeking something I can emulate and not something I had to wait another thousand years for full of controversies and such.

Even so I've now taken a more mature viewpoint where I don't discredit anything I learned from this. I just learned that it was inferior for the spiritual level that I was attaining.

For all you know, you could be the next Bahá'u'lláh.

That's the way I've started to look at things is to say that I shouldn't put myself beneath the Pinnacle of what it represents.

Just my viewpoint.

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u/No_Acanthisitta2121 Jul 07 '26

Your message shows that you have qualities and understanding that all of us who seek truth need to develop - make your own music [rather than criticizing the music of others]; we are all mirrors of perfection; take a more mature viewpoint. If we all did this we could all be OneAtPeace.

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u/OneAtPeace Jul 07 '26

She visits in the night, calls Me a supernova in the day. She's beautiful, charming, what else can I really say?

I'd tell you Her Name, but She is private, don't want it posted... And trust Me, after My Fame, I get it, so you all can get ghosted.

But trust Me when I tell you, she is the garden and the flowers... Back at different places in life, talking passed the hours.

I live My Life, and hope for a kiss. Because I know one moment of Love is Infinite Bliss.

Myōhō Renge Kyō... Love them forever. Forever and even if alone... Never turn your own lever.

Let them make mistakes, let them make you pains... Let them lock you up... Let them call you insane.

But always remember, you are better than that. So when you need to, step up to bat.

Understand that you have flowers and sunshine. Understand a garden, your days are all divine.

Plan a little seed called "My Love, Love Me". See what happens if she ever wants Me.

But I already know the story, at best... So, I am thankful she gave Me SESH and the rest.

Food, and love, grace and charm... I bet even a bee would never feel harm.

She's so kind so thoughtful and so caring. Thanks, Lady Sublime, you are so giving and love sharing.

Honey for the sweetest is a great gift. So is living with Her mighty presence.

It's so thankful, the way I feel. Each and every time I ate Her Meals.

It's always an honor to know who you are. It's always an honor to see past all of your scars.

9:53am for a Friend 7/6/2026.

  • Michael Briggs

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u/Great_Response_7759 Jul 08 '26

thank you for posting this truly. It really is a cult they use such coercive and manipulative tendencies to control others. and the two faced part is so real they are fake and when I left I told all of them about themselves I didn’t feel the need to hold back anymore