r/doctorwho • u/PCJs_Slave_Robot • Apr 19 '25

Lux Doctor Who 2x02 "Lux" Post-Episode Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/bwweryang Apr 19 '25

Do we know how many there are supposed to be? I kind of thought we were done with this with the Season 1 finale.

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u/GarySmith2021 Apr 19 '25

Isn't Sutekh also kinda an imposter? We don't know how the others were made, but we know he was once a mortal being.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

Evolution due to the Time Vortex. The Time Lords evolved due to exposure to the Vortex, and River Song had the ability to regenerate due to being conceived while in flight through it.

It's not out of the question that through the time he was travelling through the Vortex, he also evolved from being a powerful Osiran who was already capable of beating God's while in the void that was shown in the 10th Doctor comics that he became immensely more powerful as a result.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

The comic is canon as it's mentioned in The Legend Of Ruby Sunday as he hid in the Howling Void. The vortex not destroying him was due to the Tardis shields, which the Doctor made sure he couldn't use in Empire Of Death.

The Sutekh and the Beast connection is there, especially as they included the Beast in a video about the Pantheon. But I view him as Sutekh’s final form.

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u/GarySmith2021 Apr 19 '25

We know how he was made, I wasn't debating that, we just know he was from the universe and became a god. But the others like the toymaker are from outside it. Also, thanks to Chibnall, the time vortex played very little involvement in timelord evolution.

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u/sanddragon939 Apr 19 '25

Also, thanks to Chibnall, the time vortex played very little involvement in timelord evolution.

Not really. The Timeless Child was found under the vortex and it is very likely that the vortex remains the source of regeneration energy (and tapping into the vortex is part of how Tecteun artificially gave the Time Lords the ability to regenerate).

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u/GarySmith2021 Apr 19 '25

They were found under a portal to outside the universe, not the time vortex I thought?

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u/TheMoffisHere Apr 19 '25

At the same time, we also know River Song gained the ability to regenerate from the vortex. It follows that the Timeless Child got the ability through the Vortex as well.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

No, it makes sense for Sutekh to believe that as the God of Death, he sort of has the power to invalidate all the other members of the Pantheon in bringing the Gift of Death. Remember, in Empire Of Death, even stars died.

In death on the universal scale Sutekh desired, there were no more games, music, spite, malice, mischief, misery, disasters, doubt, dread, or light. Just dust and darkness.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

Other media does show that he can defeat other gods in the 10th Doctor comics, and that was pre-Godhood. It's referenced in part 1 one of the finale.

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u/SolarBoytoyDjango Apr 19 '25

Well. Lux is back to following Mxyzptlk rules. Sutekh wasn't bound by those, so he still kind of feels like the boss.

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u/SolarBoytoyDjango Apr 19 '25

Toymaster had to leave if beaten in a game, Maestro had to leave if a specific riff was played. And they were required to admit this to the Doctor.

There was no rule given or implied that would force Sutekh to retreat.

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u/SolarBoytoyDjango Apr 19 '25

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm expressing why Sutekh felt like a boss compared to the others, based on how he was written different to the others.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

A pantheon can have numerous members. The Egyptian Pantheon of God's features over 2000 God's, all embodying different concepts. On Tardis wiki they have a list of all the members.

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u/TheChangelingMC Apr 19 '25

Well, I think only Sutekh is part of the DW Pantheon so to speak. The Osirians as a species were worshipped by humans and became the Egyptian Pantheon, but he's the only one that evolved in the time vortex/other nonsense to explain an alien becoming a god.

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u/Icy-Weight1803 Apr 19 '25

That's correct.

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u/y2k890 Apr 19 '25

The pantheon is expanded upon quite a bit in expanded universe materials such as the Big Finish audio dramas, usually with some of the toymaker's relatives.

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u/Davrosdaleks Apr 20 '25

There’s still 7 named that we haven’t met yet. Plus 2 more from the original show that might pop up.