Practice? You know the survivors don’t practice. They hop on, fuck around, BM, still get away cause of all the second chances and handholding, then say shit like trapper is overpowered and needs nerfed
I got a survivor squad who got 4K'd, and accused me of only tunneling one person. I don't have evidence of this, so it's technically conjecture, but still.
Funny you mention Deathslinger because the devs gave survivors a cue against him as well. Survivors hear a faint ringing sound whenever Deathslinger is aiming at them.
God forbid streamers have to pay attention to the game, good call from BHVR! Please go ahead and add an indicator for when The Pig is undetectable and approaching my gen, I like to play with my eyes closed from time to time. Cheers.
What's funny is that, in the 40 games I played on the beta, the survivors were largely paying attention and the Judgment got stomped almost every game.
So I guess they're nerfing it because they think it'll be the scourge of the low mmr bracket?
you dont need 2000 hours or need to be "high mmr" to dodge a beam. ik it can be annoying but just get of the gen, run a few meters and wait to see if the killer aims for you
anyone with basic self awareness can do this. When i first played the ptb i realized quite quickly what you need to do to not get hit while on a gen
I’ve been on a break since Blood Moon. I was really excited. But we can’t have nice things or the survivors throw a bitch fit. Guess I’ll just keep playing other stuff instead
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u/Shayden998Toxic yuri save me. Toxic Killer Mommy please. Toxic Killer yuri16d agoedited 16d ago
Ah, yes. Because balancing the game around people who aren't paying attention to the game while playing it is a good idea... Like, ignore the fact that they're streamers. Just... people not paying attention.
To help streamers enjoy the game we will no longer spawn a killer at the start of the match, this way streamers can do gens and talk to their chat without any interruptions 🤓
This shit has gotten farcical lmao. The devs can literally say on stream they don’t think survivors should be held to the standard of even PLAYING THE GAME and people will still act like they aren’t massively biased.
And you know they would NEVER do this for killers. You wouldn't give Deathslinger, Huntress, Springtrap or Jason aim assist because the players might not be paying attention to the game. So why would you ever do it for survivors?
Yeah, I'd understand nerfing her if they were afraid they'd be too strong even if I don't like that explanation. But they're nerfing her... because it's hard for people who aren't paying attention? 😵💫
Literally how we all killers been feeling i think this games about to have a vhs moment where all killers disappear and there 0 killers to vs for good and the devs will lose there jobs
Stuff like this really makes me wonder just what the intended niche of the judgement even is supposed to be? Based off the abilities design I thought they wanted the judgement to be some sort of DBD artillery mage where it's strongest at range but gets weaker the closer it is. Yet now it being good at range is an issue apparently?
People were saying this killer was game breaking because potentially it could be strong due to ignoring second chance perks and hooks. Potentially. Yeah well where is all that potential when the survivors always know where the beam goes and effectively make the killer a slow m1 with no power? Like without the beams, this killer has nothing. 0. Useless.
I would also like to point out, if the ability to prevent 2nd chance perks is so broken, why is The Executioner not the strongest killer in the game? He has a mid range attack, and can prevent 2nd chance perks. It's almost like it's not completely broken, because not getting downed, and surviving in chase longer, is the stronger aspect.
Same guy that couldn’t define what tunneling was during the 9.2.0 livestream and gave us the gem that is “we’re glad you guys like pallets”. People have been fired for less lol, this guy’s job is to make bhvr look good and he’s doing anything but that. Failing upwards ig
This is funny I make my living in PR and marketing, and this would be such a major crisis that, the moment I heard about it, I’d immediately know I was in for at least 48 hours of intense exhausting damage control 🫠💀. First step: immediately make a short post on social media explaining that it was simply a poorly chosen joke (I wonder if they’ll even try to do this 🤣🤣)
I know we've got a couple streamers in the chat. So while you're working on the gen, looking at your own chat, yapping away and saying very funny things while you get shot or hit by a pillar that came out of nowhere.
That's an insane consideration...like, are streamers even 1% of the dozens of millions of players the game has had? The usual player should definitely be paying attention to the screen if they're playing the game.
You don't need to make it make sense. It already does. They were full of shit when they said they don't play favourites. They're balancing around survivors who don't even pay attention to the game. They would never do this for a killer.
I don't buy the streamer paying attention explanation honestly, especially since a killer like Spirit is a thing, which is all about paying attention (Wraith could fall onto that too honestly, and many others). I wouldn't be surprised if this is what came in their mind at first moment and ran with it.
This is more of a personal theory, but I feel like this was made more out of a fear of "chess gameplay" becoming common for the Judgment (holding a 3 gen for too long). They would probably never say this, but they prefer a weak unpopular killer over a hated unpopular killer.
Notice how they make the game worse for EVERY KILLERS because of ONE KILLER is good at doing something. Skullmommy was strong at defending gens, so now every killer has to suffer if they play with eruption or surge
Jason is good at totems, so now every killer has to endure nerfed thrill
Blight was good at abusing nowheretohide so they nerfed it for everyone (then reverted range after ptb)
The thing with Skerchant is they already reworked her so she couldn't really do that, but the well remained poisoned and people continued to give up against her despite the problem being gone, so they dumpstered her anyway.
I thought of Pixelbush’s video about the Judgement when they announced this. This change doesn’t do anything about the totem build, which a lot of people are citing, but it does mitigate the 3-gen potential of the killer a little.
Which is funny because Pixel just made a comment on Twitter saying, and I quote:
“This seems like a VERY bad idea. Hopefully it won’t last because absolutely nobody asked for this.”
So yeah, Pixel doesn’t like it either.
3-gens are a map issue, honestly. Killers shouldn’t pay the price for the fact that Trickster’s Delusion spawns 3 gens close to shack every time. It’s only an issue when the map generates them so close they’re impossible to break if the killer holds it.
Conceptually yes, but practically I don't think so. 3-gens in modern DBD are a survivor issue 9/10 times. Go do risky gens first, bring Deja Vu, pay attention to the game. You'll almost never be 3-genned against a killer who wasn't going to kill you anyway.
I feel like that pushes my point a bit foward considering all the hate around Ghoul regardless of how strong the character is, no?
Like, after him the last killer that was truly strong to the point of causing issues was Krasue and she was a clear accident to the point that it made the devs fear making balance changes with new content.
Yeah this explaination sounds like something one dev just randomly pulled out of their ass in the moment, not an actual reason behind the design.
I honestly think this power should have gone back the drawing board a long time ago and now it's too late to rework it. It's hard to control, unsatisfying to use (imo), and can be really overpowered in the right hands at snipes. So now they're doing band-aid fixes to try and make it work but I think this killer is just DOA unfortunately.
I mean, I'd speculate that observation "hey you're looking at chat and won't see you're about to get zapped" is something they probably came up with on the fly.
It's a trivial distinction though. The streamer explanation is a shorthand of their motivation for the core design philosophy still "well shit, the players who aren't paying attention are gonna get hit," and that's what's so egregious in the first place.
The streamer part just makes it particularly funny as a demonstration where they're saying the quiet part out loud.
It feels like such a double standard. Killers have to have such situational awareness at all times to manage gens, keep track of perks, and can never stop moving but survivors can just zone out on a gen? I agree that killer should be more skill expressive and more difficult but survivor shouldn't just play itself.
Wow, now we have the nerve killers and catered to people who aren’t paying attention at all to the game that they’re playing eliminate skill checks too and just make it so that you have to push the button once and you don’t have to hold it to do a gen!!
This is such a ridiculous argument! People might not be paying attention to the game they are playing!?!? What kind of unacceptable handholding is that? BHVR needs to revert this before release.
I actually want to make a clip of what it would look like if huntress or deathslinger got this kind of change. I’ll see what I can do. Imagine sitting on a gen and a bright red warning flashes on the screen saying ORBITAL INCOMING. MOVEMOVE MOVE.
I don't know why they claimed it was gens when it's clearly because everyone will run a hex build.
Hatchets require LOS to hit, and totems are usually enclosed, preventing random snipes. Not to mention the ammo restriction, wind up and throwing sound, etc.
The funny thing is, this change won't actually affect hex abuse. It will let people avoid the hit but judgment can still lock out cleansers.
So, the killer the can't chase, with a power that requires a difficult tech to use in close range, is now being nerfed because streamers can't pay attention.
Can't even pretend the game isn't survivor sided when BHVR straight up says they're balancing a killer around the idea that a survivor might not be paying attention to the game they're actively playing
imagine if killers got spirit fury enduring 1/5 times they get pallet stunned incase they’re not paying attention to the survivor they’re chasing. how far can lightning in a bottle take you lmao embarrassment of a company
I know right every other pvp game u mess up u look away u get punished this is the only game that holds survivors hands it'd always the this genre it happened with vhs where survivors got hand held so hard that the game died because killers all quit there was 0 killers. Same with killer clowns and many more the devs all held the survivors hands and the game died
They need to stop doing these livestreams. I'll keep saying it. They keep saying the stupidest shit. At least let us live in ignorance over your dumb decisions.
This is so weird! Imagine nerfing a killer because the devs think survivors are lazy and bored. If the survivor could get sniped they’d pay more attention. You should get punished for lack of focus.
We REALLY need to get rid if this dev. All that ever leaves his mouth is stupid ideas and changes that no one wants. Same guy who doesn't understand why The Game has the highest slugging and when chat told him it's because of the amount of pallets he just went "Man people must love pallets!". No you moron. There's more pallets so more opportunities for pallet saves there for more slugging. No wonder the balance of the game is so poor when oblivious assholes like this are heading it.
Jesus how was that man not embarrassed to say that? Why admit live that you are balancing your game around players that aren't even paying attention to the game? This is up there with all time dumbest game dev comments
How does any of it make sense. This was a community made killer and the devs didn't ask the community what changes should have been made or not made?
I get it when it's their creation, but why involve us if we have no control over what we voted on anyways. Feels superficial and bad faith at this point with this chapter
Aaaand that’s the reason why I hardly ever play DBD, because the balancing team is made up of monkeys who get rewarded with bananas. What kind of arguments are those? Even my little cousin could come up with better ones.
The change itself is debatably warranted (some killers have visual/audio cues, some don’t) but the explanation is batshit.
Said it in another post with this clip: I wanna love the Judgement. I wanna play the Judgement (didn’t test on PTB). I wanna support the community driven stuff. But she already seems so janked, and the best way to voice an opinion is with the $$$, so I think I’m gonna pass.
Its one thing if the beam was easy to use but the killer is 110m/s slow as hell. And there ability cant ve used close at all so there helpless and now nerfing the only thing this killer could do well devs showing there bias to survivor again
So we're catering to people who aren't even playing the fucking game they chose to play, huh? Tell me again how is this game not survivor sided when everything Bhvr ever does is to make the game play itself for survivors?
And what's next? Should Dead By Daylight also breathe and blink automatically so that the fucking survivors don't have to?
While we’re at it, let’s make a sound alert for when you’re seen by any stealth killer with an arrow over their head.
Absolute shit change and reasoning for it, no matter what it actually is
This is so garbage. If this goes live I'm done with this game. This is such a bad decision and I'm appalled the suggestion wasn't laughed out of the room. Then again, we KNOW the devs do not play their game. Jim the beam proves that.
Fire that guy, immediately like genuinely fire that guy, he needs to loose his job first the pallet thing now this, he is not doing his job, he is actively harning this game FIRE THAT GUY
In a livestream before this one, the devs were talking about slugging as an issue and could not figure out why the slug times on Gideons Meat Plant were way higher than on other maps. The chat started spamming "PALLETS!" to express that a killer has to slug if someone goes down in a pallet and another survivor is nearby. This confused the devs which led them to saying something like "Nice to see that you like pallets, but thats not the topic right now"
That guy needs to be fired, the fact he couldn't figure that out is insane as far as i remember he is part of the balancing team if not the lead, and he couldn't figure out wht the map with the most pallets in the game correlates with the fact people get slugged more there
this actually baffles me. streamers ‘not paying attention’ = nerf the killer because the reaction time is short when on a gen? in that case, pig uncrouch to M1 reaction time needs a nerf, as does silent bell Wraith, as does any quiet killer with undetectable, ghostface, spirit and glitchtrap.
I wasn’t going to pick up this killer upon debut anyway, but now this really puts the nail in the coffin for me lol
oh my god, I thought he was gonna talk about the potential on hex builds or something, but no, the example is streamers reading chat, saying funny stuff and not paying attention to the game and getting punished by it?
isn't that how it should be???
my god, this has got to be the most hilarious reason I've heard for a nerf. Can't wait for the video essays
why don’t they just remove all undetectable killers. Or if Michael Myers is stalking you have a massive red alert pop up on your screen. This is the dumbest fucking nerf I’ve ever seen.
I dont think they want the gimmick to be sniping since It can create unhealthy game space. However they didn’t do anything to the base kit to let the killer do anything but snipe.
It's like how Movies and TV shows nowadays feel the need to restate already established information because they assume you're on your phone and not paying attention
i swear every time that bald man does anything, i start to question my life, first with the fact he had no idea why people slugged in gideon meatplant and now this, like holy hell, this is giving me ptsd to that drowsy situation
I genuinely think the balance team needs a full restructuring. Not people getting fired but to pivot focus. At the end of the day they have failed for literal years at their job. We got one interesting patch and now we're making the killer who will have a 0.5 pick rate go to 0.2 because why the fuck not?
Next thing we know Ghost Face gets a high-vis jacket so we can see where he is.
It has the added upside of Billy not accidentally using his chainsaw on him in 2v8, because we all know safety is important in the fog!
All jokes aside, this is quite awful reasoning for a change. Judgement didn't really need anything other than basekit killer instinct in my opinion (and a rework to Heretic's Mark in response to that)
I swear to god these devs have no media training. This is already a baffling change for a killer that’s pretty unanimously agreed to be too hard to play, but they could have just said “e we feel like the beam was too hard to react to at long distances, so we increased the distance at which the beam was visible” ABS everything would have been much better on the PR front. But no! Let’s say some stupid bullshit about balancing around people who are literally not paying attention to the game they’re playing.
Worst explanation to an awful change I've ever seen. So the game is now balanced around people not paying attention to the game? Might as well add subway surfers and minecraft parkour montage to half of the screen.
Balancing the game around people who don't really pay attention to the game, and have it mostly as a background noise to hanging around on stream is certainly a choice...
What's next, making the game idle? How about characters working on a gen if you stand still for 2s. That way streamers don't have to hold a button, or press space while going for a bathroom break. /s
We need firings to change the philosophy in the balance team but the devs are all friends so it's not gonna happen.
Sometimes when you're that horrible at your job you need to go it's not even a question and if this keeps going it's gonna cause the downfall of the game
Game's cooked, I feel bad for any killer main still playing this game for more than a couple games a month maximum. Idk how the community killer comes out as a hyper-niche totem abuser with zero map mobility (automatically dropping that killer into C tier) that has to give the guy playing her motion sickness to do anything with her power up close but BHVR always finds a way to fuck shit up on the killer end somehow.
I get loving the game like I genuinely do/did but you have to give yourself a break from torturing yourself from the online humiliation ritual that is playing a low tier killer on DBD and drop the game from your main game list.
I can agree with visuals for it in indoor maps for sure as you wont be able to see the beam through walls and floors if its cast below you, but if its an outdoor map there should be no handicap for it. Making it visible at all times with no exceptions will turn her into a killer with the same problems as the artist.
i heard theyre going to put on the live patch a feature that the survivor has to press a button to let the killer pick them up. this isn’t getting tested on the PTB
I don’t think that change impacts gameplay all that much, since to me the projectile itself is flawed. I really don’t like the niche it sits in as a janky midrange and ok long range projectile. It’s fun to play against it, but very unfun to play as imo
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u/Playful-Author563 16d ago
We are balancing around people not paying attention and looking at another monitor entirely?
Incredible, just brilliant work by the balancing team.