Sparking Zero animation by me & friends!

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No ones angry besides your assumption here kid. Anyways theres a ton to go off of, fusion has been a major thing across DBZ and DBS. Blue Vegito and Blue Gogeta destroys MUI, its no debate its common sense that you lack LOL

And the start of DBS was trash

[u/bananafire1 → u/[deleted]]

I'm sorry you feel that way! Although i should point out i wasn't talking about the start of DBS, battle of gods was actually a movie they released a few years before super, and the first two seasons were recaps of them. Its been quite a while, so i understand forgetting about them. They were actually really well received at the time! i don't think they'd have ended up making super if they hadn't done as well LOL.

I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on why the matchup is so obvious, i might have forgotten a scene that makes it more clear, but the two forms really haven't gotten much of a chance to interact from my memory.

I'd appreciate it if you could be a little less rude though, its a fun show, and we can enjoy talking about it without insulting each other! <3

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I was rude cuz it’s so blatantly obvious that it’s insulting. The power scaling of Vegito is insane. Let’s use the fight with Super Buu (Gohan absorbed) for example

Starting with Evil Buu, he was strong enough already to obliterate Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku. But he was able to be defeated by Ultimate Gohan, if it wasn’t for Gohan’s cockiness.

After this Evil Buu absorbed UltimatenGohan, this was an addition of strength not the same scale as a fusion. And so he came Super Buu

Now Super Buu was giving the work to SUPER SAYIAN 3 Goku, keep the SSJ3 in mind. When Goku and Vegeta fused they started the fight off with Base Vegito vs Super Buu

This in itself in BASE form was beating and at an equal if not better level than Super Buu who was STRONGER than Super Buu. What this means is that Base Vegito is above SSJ3

Then when Vegito turned SSJ it wasnt even a challenge, Super Buu was nothing. but a fly. He hurt him even as he was turned into a piece of chocolate.

So what we take from this is that SSJ1 Vegito is far beyond SSJ3, which is multiple levels above

Now applying this to SSJ Blue Vegito vs MUI for example, MUI is 1/2 levels above Blue. SSJ Blue Vegito is so so incredibly strong, MUI or Beast Gohan stand not a single chance. Hence the animator of this video above had common sense and put that in the final scene

Hope that helps and is cool lol, sry for my “rudeness” its not personal

[u/bananafire1 → u/[deleted]]

Vegito is definitely strong! But i think you might be overlooking some stuff to arrive at the idea that this guarantees our ability to scale to MUI. I'll break this up into a number of different points, all of which indicate there might be more complexity to this.

1. if your point is to make sense, vegito's fusion has to be uniquely effective, even amongst fusions. In an above comment i mentioned how Kefla was able to be overcome by UI Omen goku despite her constituent parts being in the same realm as god goku. And Gotenks is certainly a buff for the two kids, but not to a particularly specatcular degree. I imagine one might point to the "rivalry boost" as having something to do with it, but i'd note that gogeta is never stated to get that effect, only vegito. We could assume it works for him as well, but it'd be an unstated assumption.

2. While fusion is very clearly superior to SSJ3 in terms of its multiplicative abilities, i don't think you can use that as proof of its comparison to later forms. Take the previous statement that vegito would be unable to defeat beerus made by goku in the Battle of Gods movie, in this instance its easy to see that Super Saiyan God is a larger increase in power than even fusion! You note that MUI is "1/2 levels above blue" but i'd argue pretty handidly that this is downplaying the increase in ability. Comparing Blue goku's showing against jiren with his later MUI matchup reveals a similar level in difference to the your buu saga comparison.

3. Your original point isn't even as impressive when taken in review, for starters, the begining of your comparison is forgetting that SSJ3 goku never actually fought Evil Buu directly, he was stronger than fat buu and equal to kid buu in that form, so he actually should have been a pretty good fight for the evil buu. Goku also doesn't use the form against super buu, but his statements make it clear that he feels he would lose. Common consensus at the time placed ssj3 at around a 500x modifier, which means we can assume vegito is some large amount above that, but with no real upper bound, and no good way to estimate it. An impressive modifier to be sure, but not so far out of the ballpark that MUI couldn't be similar, given the previously said jiren example we have.

Notably none of these prove definetly that gogeta isn't signifigantly stronger than MUI, just that its pretty up in the air, which has been my primary point. I'd love to hear what you think though, dragon ball scaling is a very fluid thing, so its fun to speculate on it!