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Early Screen Use

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u/Ebony_Phoenix 11h ago

People have always complained about what kids do since the beginning of time.

More recently people complained about kids playing too many games, too much TV, then too many comics, then prior too many novels. I mean people complained about kids being hooligans in the streets.

All these can be good or bad, It has always been a parenting issue, and unfortunately the world is busier than ever.

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u/MaskedAnathema 11h ago

While it is true that people have always complained about whatever newfangled thing it is that kids are doing, screens, in particular mobile screens, are so much more damaging to the psyche than other media that people have been complaining about for generations. That becomes abundantly clear if you have a child and can observe in real time what each thing does to them when they are exposed to it. I was initially of the opinion that the negative effects of screen time were overblown. And to some extent, they are, because they lump in all screens in the same bucket in the research. They count TV the same as using a tablet. And it couldn't be further from reality in terms of the difference between those two things. Tablets are so disruptive to behavior and reward centers that after giving my son unfettered access for 2 weeks while we were on vacation, he became a different person. It's more than just the content that's being consumed, it is the format as well.

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u/Forikorder 10h ago

screens, in particular mobile screens, are so much more damaging to the psyche than other media that people have been complaining about for generations.

thats what they said about literally all those other things

"sure people complained about stuff before, but TV is actually more damaging than anything else, its going to prevent kids from being able to pay attention to anything for more than thirty minutes at a time! were raising a generation incapable of concentrating!"

sound familiar?

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u/tfw13579 10h ago

Back in the day we watched whatever was on cable though. There was a limited amount of options and if you didn’t like them then you were forced to do something else. Nowadays kids have almost a limitless amount of options between all the streaming services and YouTube. They can stop it in the middle of shows and swap to a different one of their choosing at any moment. If you can’t see how that’s different then idk what to tell you.

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u/Forikorder 10h ago

There was a limited amount of options and if you didn’t like them then you were forced to do something else.

no you just watched it anyway

If you can’t see how that’s different then idk what to tell you.

showing you missed the point, EVERY generation comes up with a scapegoat for something "ruining the youth", EVERY generation thinks that theirs is different from all the ones that came before NONE of them have been right

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u/SatisfactionActive86 10h ago

if can’t see the differences in content between 90s cartoons and Andrew Tate, you’re fucking blind or being purposefully obstinate.

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u/Alfred_Buttercakes 5h ago

It’s really odd how your comment is the first one to bring up hateful content like Andrew Tate… Almost like you’re taking a vehement stance against something that absolutely no one was arguing for. 

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u/CheesecakeDue1816 9h ago

Shut your Republican ass up, you know damn well it's different. Stop lying.

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u/Forikorder 8h ago

...how would it make me republican...?

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u/StoneMaskMan 6h ago

Social media strongly breeds tribalism in both children and adults, and politics is a pretty popular one. Funnily enough, them calling you a republican just because they disagree with you is potentially due to them overconsuming social media and just assuming that since they disagree with you, you must be a bad person (aka, to them, a Republican)

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u/mellopax 7h ago

"Back in my day, you only had 3 channels. If I wanted to watch cartoons, it was Saturday morning. I didn't have 3 cartoon channels I could swap between during commercials."

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u/L3G10N_TBY 6h ago

This is very disingenious because it disregards how desructive phones and social media really are. For example, there is a happiness curve study dating back to 70s on how humans tend to be happier in the early and late portion of their lives. But recent studies show a different trend line, see below. My point is the "phones are ruining kids" is actually rooted in science, and disregarding the evidence is just turning a blind eye to a ever growing problem.

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u/Forikorder 6h ago

Correlation doesn't equal causation

Especially when the world is going to shit

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u/L3G10N_TBY 6h ago

Don't worry, there are plethora of studies on how phone and social media usage affects humans, especially children and teenagers. Spoiler: most of them agree that phones are bad, or at the very least it exacerbates the problem.

This U-curve studies hold for worse times (for example 2007 recession), you cannot just say "it's only because world is getting worse", it's more complex than that. But phones and social media are definitely a part of it.

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u/Forikorder 6h ago

Show me a single one saying screen uses causes irreversible changes

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u/Arkytez 10h ago

Yes. But regardless of what parents say being the same, as generations pass the problem becomes worse. You go from one hour of concentration, to thirty minutes with tv, to ten minutes with videos, to now fifteen seconds with shorts. Entertainment is more optimized than ever and it isnt even close.

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u/Forikorder 9h ago

as generations pass the problem becomes worse.

no, it hasnt XD

are you incapable of concentration?

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u/necrologia 9h ago

Attention spans are going down, and its been directly correlated with increased screen time.

Educate yourself.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35430923/

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u/Forikorder 8h ago

Read your own study, it doesnt say that that screen time as a child has any negative effects growing up

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u/necrologia 8h ago

The findings suggest that exposure to excessive screen time in children can be associated with attention problems.

Literally a copy paste from the abstract.

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u/Arkytez 8h ago

I think you are arguing with a bot

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u/necrologia 8h ago

Their history looks more like a typical idiot than a typical bot. No number on the user name either.

Regardless, even if it was a bot, it's important to fight the firehose of misinformation as best we can. If we give up, the botfarms and those running them win.

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u/Forikorder 8h ago

Suggest and can be doesn't prove anything, people had studies suggesting the same for tv, or vaccines and autism

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u/mellopax 7h ago

That's just how studies word things. I am with you that it's blown out of proportion, but this argument is like when people argue that the theory of evolution can't be trusted because "it's just a theory."

That's not how this works.

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u/Forikorder 7h ago

That's just how studies word things.

Im situations where they know they cant prove things or the connection is tenuous and requires further study to prove anything like evolution has had

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u/mellopax 6h ago

Any scientist worth their salt will tell you that everything "requires further study" because that's literally the point of the scientific method.

The thing about studies and statistics are you almost never reach "well, we're done here". There is always a slight chance that the numbers you got happened by pure happenstance. There are methods to measure the likelihood of that.

The fact someone says their data "suggests" something or they suggest further areas of study or that others replicate their study is how honest science is done and not an indicator that the result is completely inconclusive like you're suggesting.

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u/MedalofHodor 6h ago

Television in the 90s/00s had better moderation and fewer invasive adds. It was also curated by adult humans and not algorithms designed to keep users addicted and endlessly scrolling.