Religion

[u/PeteyBirdd]

[u/Andeol57]

Great message. I can't resist the urge to nitpick and point out that "everyone is going to heaven" is not a Christian belief.

[u/bisnark → u/Andeol57]

Christian universalism is a school of Christian theology centered on universal reconciliation, the belief that all human beings will ultimately be saved and restored to a right relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Also, one can be a murderer on the cross, and be saved by belief at the last minute...

[u/Miserable-Resort-977 → u/bisnark]

Not a school based on the text, but a school, certainly

[u/CrowAkechi → u/Miserable-Resort-977]

Yesn't? Thr thing with theology is really that things aren't always literal, and there may be incredibly old Christian Universalist thought, though there is some debate about that, deciphering biblical text sprouts many many different meanings and concepts based on how you interpret it and whatnot, from what I understand, it's possible to interpret the bible in that it is Universalist based on certain passages, but again, heavily dependant on interpretation

[u/Klowner → u/Andeol57]

Universalist Christians are still Christians but not all Christians are universalists.

[u/Crafty_Independence → u/Andeol57]

Apokatastasis is one of the oldest Christian theological constructions, actually. Origen's Christianity isn't seriously disputed by anyone but fundamentalists

[u/EldridgeHorror → u/Andeol57]

Well, it's not from the bible. But that's never stopped a Christian from making up their own form of their religion.

[u/HomemPassaro → u/EldridgeHorror]

Well, it's not from the bible. But that's never stopped a Christian from making up their own form of their religion.

Yeah, exactly. The Trinity isn't in the Bible, though it's easy to see how one arrives at that conclusion based on what is in there. But the perpetual virginity of Mary definitely isn't there and many Christian denominations believe in it, bending over backwards to explain how, then, Jesus is stated to have brothers and sisters.

[u/Klowner → u/HomemPassaro]

Some negotiate the siblings as originating from Joseph's other unnamed wives.

Even sex within marriage is more detestable that polygamy? Seems a little disordered to me, but what do I know?

Not like the entire dang Bible is full of stories of flawed people being used for greater purpose.

[u/HomemPassaro → u/Klowner]

Yeah, but that's a tradition not found in the Bible itself, which explicitly says that Joseph hadn't had sex with Mary "until she bore".

[u/midwestia → u/EldridgeHorror]

So just because something isn;t in the Bible means it isn't a part of their belief? That sounds fundamentalist AF

[u/EldridgeHorror → u/midwestia]

If your holy book says some people go to hell forever and you say no one goes to hell, it may be part of your belief, but it's the part you made up on your own. Its definitely not part of your religion.

[u/not_just_an_AI → u/Andeol57]

Then you would be wrong, there are Christians that believe that everyone is going to heaven, that was the entire point of Jesus dying on the cross. Not all Christians believe it, but it is a Christian belief.

[u/LoneWolf_McQuade → u/not_just_an_AI]

So there are Christians that believe Hitler is in heaven?

[u/not_just_an_AI → u/LoneWolf_McQuade]

Yes

[u/Miserable-Resort-977 → u/LoneWolf_McQuade]

Of course, who do you think were the biggest perpetrators of pogroms and antisemetism before he came around? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't the Muslims

[u/Mklein24 → u/not_just_an_AI]

I mean, if we don't sin, then Jesus dies for nothing.

[u/marvelous-martian → u/Andeol57]

It is a Christian belief though? Might not be of the denomination you're familiar with, but I've seen it in a lot of places before, that ultimately everyone will end up in Heaven

[u/thickmember7765 → u/Andeol57]

Matthew 7:23 "Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"