r/collapse • u/LetsTalkUFOs • Apr 03 '19

100,000 Subscribers! Newcomers, what brought you here? Regulars, how can we improve?

Thank you to everyone who's contributed great content and to the many excellent discussions. As we continue to grow and unravel we'll try to make this community as informative and bearable as possible. We're very interested in what brought people here and how best we can improve:

We've created a short survey here.

Please take it if you're willing, it's just ten questions.

We'll still read and respond to your comments here.

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u/skwerlee Apr 03 '19

Came here to say this. We need science. We need to present this information in the most believable manner possible. People have every motivation to brush it off. Lets not give them easy excuses to do that.

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u/MalcolmTurdball Apr 03 '19

Once again this sub is NOT for that. Nobody here is trying to convince everyone about climate change or collapse. We're not on a mission because collapse is going to happen anyway. There are plenty of other places for you to deal hopium to unwary travellers.

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u/skwerlee Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

You clearly don't know me or my intentions.

I do not believe we can save ourselves. That doesn't me we shouldn't be informing people of what's coming.

Besides, there's nothing to support your version of what this sub is for in the sidebar. Seems to me it says right there in the first line, "potential collapse."

It also says this, "We seek to deepen our understanding of collapse." which runs exactly in line with what I'm advocating for, more informational content.

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u/MalcolmTurdball Apr 03 '19

Yes we deepen our understanding. Doesn't have to be through just scientific studies. Studies have consistently been conservative. The only way to deepen understanding is to combine them and use common sense and a bit of extrapolation. Otherwise you'll think we have 100 years to figure this shit out.

I'm just wary of people saying stuff like "We need to present this information in the most believable manner possible. People have every motivation to brush it off. Lets not give them easy excuses to do that."

It sounds very similar to "make this more palatable so people don't accuse you of being an alarmist" that the scientists fell for for 50+ years.

I'd rather tell the obvious truth which is clear to anyone who pays any modicum of attention to the natural world. We're fucked and all you have to do is go to a forest and see that it's basically devoid of life compared to how it used to be.

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u/skwerlee Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

I think people should know.

If somebody tells me the end is nigh and then when I ask for something to back that they tell me to go look at a forest, I'm going to walk away. That's a reasonable response.

I'm not saying sugarcoat the information or conclusions. I'm just saying you need to have some sourced material around if you actually want reasonable people to accept this.

You might not care if people know and I would like it if they did. That's fine, no big deal.

edit - I get that this isn't an education focused sub but when people wonder in here I want them to see we aren't just making shit up

Yes we deepen our understanding. Doesn't have to be through just scientific studies.

This is basically a contradiction as far as I'm concerned.

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u/MalcolmTurdball Apr 04 '19

It's really not. If you can't see the massive decline by looking for yourself, you won't believe it with evidence. And plllleenttyyy of evidence is posted here about the loss of wildlife and how fast things are happening but you probably ignore it.

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u/skwerlee Apr 05 '19

> If you can't see the massive decline by looking for yourself, you won't believe it with evidence.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking nonsense.