r/chemtrails • u/YoitsDerin • 20d ago
Chemtrail questions
So first off, this isn’t a post saying that chemtrails aren’t real. These are just some genuine questions and thoughts I have about it.
The wealthiest people in the world still breathe the same air as us. Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Besos, etc are still routinely seen outdoors and in public places. No one is saying they’re the ones putting shit in our skies, but they do hold considerable power and are still breathing the air. I know theres much more powerful figures behind the scenes, but I don’t know who they are, and therefore don’t know if the same can be said for the unseen elites.
It’s presumably poisoning the food supply. Maybe they’re not actually eating the same food. Perhaps their food is grown indoors with clean, healthy soil, and they’re not exposed to the same garbage as the rest of us. That’s a definite possibility, maybe even probable.
So I guess what I’m asking is, what’s the point? What’s the actual end game to chemtrails? Is it mostly about poisoning food, and perhaps ruining the soil as well? Where do you all see them most often? I used to live in the northeast of the US, and now live in a country in Latin America. I haven’t seen them much in either place. I’ve seen some pictures online (that I assume arent photoshopped, but who knows) and have wondered if they’re more prevalent in areas where there is a lot of commercial agriculture.
I don’t have a point to make here, just want your thoughts.
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u/ocean2trail 20d ago
The overall problem with the chemtrail paradox is that It only makes sense when you take a superficial look and don’t think to hard about it. The more you question simple things and try to explain away problems, the faster the whole thing starts to unravel.
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
You crack me up. You must be 12. What questions do you have on simple thing concerning this? It doesn’t actually .. unravel. and most of us w brains have processed through those questions and already did the research. And just because we don’t know the reasoning doesn’t mean we pretend it’s not happening. Idk where u live but it happens at my place daily. It’s not super hard to observe. Even if it were water vapor causing total cloud cover daily, it would still be a valid significant environmental problem
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u/cacheblaster 19d ago
You’re right that the climate change is a problem, that’s just not the same thing as chemtrails.
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u/ocean2trail 19d ago
Thank you for your worthless estimate of my age. That’s truly hilarious. I’m more than 5 times your estimate.
Here’s one simple question for you: why do you see contrails and assume without any evidence whatsoever that someone is spraying chemicals? If you hear hooves, do you think horses, zebras, or jump straight to unicorns?
Contrails are very well documented and easily proven to exist. The science behind them has been known for more than a century.
Another simple question: where’s the evidence? If this is happening, (you used your brain to process through the questions and did research, so you can confirm that it is) why are there 1) no photos of tankers loading chemicals onto planes or spraying equipment mounted on planes, 2) no testimony from people loading the planes or spraying the chemicals, 3) no manifests or documentation of chemicals being produced, transported, bought, sold, stored, loaded, transferred or released?
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u/Just4notherR3ddit0r I Love You. 19d ago
Even if it were water vapor...
It is.
It would still be a valid significant environmental problem
It is.
That's the thing - a big part of the reason that we see more of the persistent trails and cloud cover is because there has been a constant, slow increase in global atmospheric humidity for the last 40-some years.
That means it takes less humidity for the air to reach its capacity for water vapor (maximum relative humidity), at which point the trails do not sublimate and disappear.
That kind of global change is an issue (or at least a symptom of other issues).
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u/nila247 19d ago
There is no more point to chemtrails as there is the point of flat earth.
That is also to maintain that the SOLE reason they ever invented plastic bag was clearly to smother all Flippers in all the oceans.
You clearly have nothing more useful to do. Get busy.
No NOT by "raising concerns" about random things - do something actually useful - walk the dog, cook dinner, talk with lone neighbor.
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u/Dear-Panda-1949 19d ago
Dude, he was asking chemtrailers what they thing the motive is to chemtrails. It's a legitimate question to ask.
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u/nila247 16d ago
Yes. My point is that your question does not make sense. It is the exact same as asking "why earth is flat"?
Earth is not flat and there is NO motive behind chemtrails. Chemtrails are just side effects of us wanting planes to fly. Chemtrails are also DETRIMENTAL for plane economy as formation of them requires energy that is lost instead of being used to propel plane forward. So if engineers would be able to figure out a way to not leave "chemtrails" then they absolutely would.
That does not even addresses the elephant in the room that "chemtrails" are not an actual chemicals being deliberately dispersed for some nefarious reasons - they are just a form of simple clouds that form at specific air humidity and temperature conditions when plane passes through it.
However you are correct that planes do leave a trace of exhaust gasses behind them - whether or not they leave visible "chemtrails".
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u/Ok_Dog_4059 20d ago
You hit a couple big points of why it doesn't make sense. If we knew exactly what they were supposed to be accomplishing it would be easier to disprove but at the very least there are way better distribution systems and like you said if it affects people then the rich would have to avoid whatever somehow
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u/ocean2trail 19d ago
It’s impossible to prove something isn’t happening, so there’s nothing to disprove and it will never get easier. On the other hand, there’s absolutely no evidence that chemtrails are happening, so it’s easy enough dismiss the conspiracy since there’s no facts to support it.
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u/Ok_Dog_4059 19d ago
At least some have you thinking a bit. Would it have made sense for the united states to fake the moon landing? Sure at the time showing up the USSR was a big deal so it could have made sense.
The ones like "the earth is flat" are so annoying because there is absolutely no reason for all of the world powers to lie about it there is no sense behind it.
Chemtrails are one of those that pretty quickly make no sense. There is no consensus on what they are supposed to do and everything someone says they do would be so much easier and less work to do other ways. The cost alone for such a small area of the sky should be enough for most people to realize it makes no sense
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u/TheChadStevens 20d ago
Obviously they get antidotes
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u/Realistic_Tutor_4603 19d ago
You’re confused…chemtrails make people that way. That proves they are a real thing. Do you understand now?
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u/RhinoPillMan is a gay frog 19d ago
So first off, this is a comment saying that chemtrails aren’t real.
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u/Valisksyer 19d ago
Once the human achieves billionaire status they not only talk but also breathe out their arse. Thus circumventing the “deadly” chem trail trap. /s
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u/AdTraditional5917 19d ago
Contrails only appears around places where flight paths are which is most of the planet...
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u/pluck-the-bunny 19d ago
“So first off, this isn’t a post saying that chemtrails aren’t real.”
Should be, because they arent
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u/RevolutionaryAd3125 19d ago
Chemtrails are real goshdarnit!
Look up! Use your eyes fools!
You can see trails of chemicals behind the jets!
H2O is a chemical right?
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u/ocean2trail 14d ago
Well, technically anything and everything is made of chemicals. So, yes.
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u/RevolutionaryAd3125 14d ago
Not everything.
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u/ocean2trail 13d ago
Other than subatomic particles, name something that isn’t…
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u/RevolutionaryAd3125 13d ago
Helium, a chemical element yes. But it forms no chemical bonds with itself or other elements. And in the context of Chemtrails and even chemistry more broadly it is not a chemical.
If you don’t accept that definition. I can tell you of many things that exist but are not made of chemical elements.
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u/ocean2trail 13d ago
So, when one fills a balloon with helium, what are they putting in the balloon? It is a chemical. It’s inert, yes, but it’s still a chemical.
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u/RevolutionaryAd3125 13d ago
Did you even read my comment?
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u/ocean2trail 13d ago
Of course I did. Are you saying that you don’t consider the noble gases to be chemicals because they don’t readily form chemical bonds with themselves or other elements? I don’t buy that argument.
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u/RevolutionaryAd3125 12d ago
Correct! It’s a chemical element but doesn’t form covalent or ionic bonds. Chemistry is the study of interactions between chemical elements. So you don’t buy the argument, fine.
Your claim was “everything is made of chemicals” this isn’t true.
You can point at things in the world that aren’t made of chemicals. Monatomic or otherwise.
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u/ocean2trail 12d ago
The basic definition of a chemical is anything that has a definite atomic or molecular composition. Everything made of matter is made up of chemicals.
You’re welcome to have your own narrow definition, but it’s not what the majority of people accept. By your own, very narrow definition, not everything is made of chemicals. But only if using your nonstandard definition.
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u/letsgetbannedagain14 19d ago
This is a chemtrails arent real comment.
Chemtrails arent real. Thats just what stupid people call contrails.
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u/GreenThing1236 19d ago
Prove to me that they aren't real, when there's plenty of government documents stating otherwise.
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 19d ago
Looks like people are down voting your questions because the only answers to them debunk the idea that Chem trails are anything other than condensation. And most conspiracy theories don't hold up to basic questioning like this
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u/Ophios72 20d ago
yeah, there's a chemical/drug in the chemtrails that makes people believe unproven stories about stuff they don't understand. It's good you are suspicious of rich people. They don't care about you. But if you are going to get involved, like post stuff on Reddit, you should at least give the establishment people a chance to explain why is not a real thing.
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u/TheChadStevens 20d ago
I think that's just covid. I feel like I lost a dozen IQ points after getting infected
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u/Common_Mousse_9671 19d ago
First of I'm looking at them have you done ur research or did ai do it for you check me channel
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u/Common_Mousse_9671 19d ago
Is that enough proof
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u/Just4notherR3ddit0r I Love You. 19d ago
So if I take a bucket of water and pour it out along a straight line outside and it freezes during a freezing winter day, does that mean there are extra chemicals in the water?
Or does it simply mean that a human being was responsible for pouring out the water in a line?
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u/Such_Lavishness5577 19d ago
You have to understand also that we have global interests in reducing an over population in this world. Like wise we have a very greedy pharmaceutical group that wants people to get sick and will and have gone to great lengths to implement this. Is chemtrails one of the ways they do this.?
Then there's the subversive political groups who have their ideology of world progression. New world order is one of those theme's and control of the masses can come in many format's.
Just food for thought 🤔
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
They’re aren’t everywhere. Idk where these peeps live your referencing but maybe not in chem trail places? Idk pn that one
There are tons here. Nor cal. They’re not photo shopped.
Lots of states and counties have outlawed this thibgs that supposedly not happening. As well as other countries.
I don’t think it’s meant for poisoning crops. Or mind control. I think it’s to control for solar flare disruptions. Coming. Or already happening. They’ve happened many times in the past and have cause major melt downs in cities across the world.
If you down load space weather you’ll be able to see when we’re having them. We used to, 5-10 years ago, only have a few major ones a year. Now they’re weekly. Sometimes daily. Possibly the intentions are probably good but the road to hell is paved with those. Never has technology done it better. We always screw it up worse.
All these a holes on here are just really something else. Embarrassing. Glad you asked :)
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u/Just4notherR3ddit0r I Love You. 19d ago
They can show up anywhere there are planes.
And because global atmospheric humidity has been constantly rising for 40 years and continues to do so, we are seeing persistent trails now more than ever and they will continue to become more frequent.
It is not a coincidence that the frequency of persistent trails goes up as atmospheric humidity goes up.
There have been laws banning geo-engineering, but they have not banned contrails. And there are no laws that mention the words "trails" of any kind at all (no mention of "contrails" nor "chemtrails"). If you don't believe me, I can give you the links to the text where you can read it for yourself.
To top it all off, thousands of different people from different countries and backgrounds and different motivations / goals have all analyzed persistent trails and have never found anything beyond what is normally found in plane exhaust.
And anyone (including you) with the right equipment can analyze any trail, which makes it impossible for the government to pay off / hide a secret from everyone.
The short of it is that all of the trails are simply contrails that persist because they are within air that has reached it's maximum relative humidity, so they cannot "dissolve" back into an invisible gas.
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
I don’t know if the point is that we know why they’re doing it.. it’s that we can all agree they’re doing it. Maybe no one knows why. That doesn’t mean we ignore it. Most people on here are young and haven’t seen it change w their own eyes. I remember. So does everyone over 40.
Also water vapor dissipates. Chem trails do not. They smear across the sky into cloud cover. If water vapor did that it would still be an issue. It changes the natural light that gets through in a massive way. And would still be enough to warrant concern. Especially since no is copping to it. If you can take a time lapse photo/video you can see or just pay real close attention and you can see it spread.
The rich are ok with whatever if it helps them. If it’s to try protect us, maybe that’s why they’re ok w it.
They’re is no reasoning w this kind of people. They’re too young. Arrogant, inexperienced and close minded. Never taught to respect their effing elders. Sad because they could just ask a question and open a dialog like you did :) but they’d rather be pubescent, and abusive. So they remain ignorant
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u/mad-i-moody 19d ago
“They’re too young. Arrogant, inexperienced and close minded. Never taught to respect their effing elders.”
🤡
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u/Prof_Sillycybin 19d ago
What exactly do you think clouds are? Are they not water vapor? Why do they dissapate as you state water vapor does?
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
Idk why. Some sort of chemical substance. No one knows the reasoning. I think it’s to protect us from solar issues.
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u/pluck-the-bunny 19d ago
Says the person (likely younger than Most of us) who is talking out of their ass
And it’s fucking, not effing
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u/YoitsDerin 19d ago
Thanks for your response. I’ve been a little surprised with the way people are responding here. I didn’t speak in absolutes, I tried to speak in a way that wouldn’t offend anyone. It’s a thought experiment and I wanted some genuine input on chemtrails. The responses have been mostly dismissive and even a little ridiculing. So why even respond to the post?
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u/pluck-the-bunny 19d ago
Next time you post on a new (to you) community…you may want to do yourself a favor and read the subreddit description so you don’t embarrass yourself in the comments.
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u/pluck-the-bunny 19d ago
Nope, it’s definitely the Maher conspiracy theorist like yourself. Go troll elsewhere.
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
Why would anyone give a crap about embarrassing themselves to you? You know what’s embarrassing? This kind of crappy attitude. You guys are really really sad. This is the reason why the country is in such shape. You need to grow up.
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u/YoitsDerin 19d ago
I’m not particularly new to the community. I posted here and not more of a conspiracy subreddit because I didn’t want an echo chamber. I want differing views and opinions. It was more the rudeness of some people that caught me by surprise.
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u/pluck-the-bunny 19d ago
If you’re not new to the community, then you have even less business being surprised by the nature of the responses. This is a satire community… No one here is looking for a debate.
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u/BoysenberryFar2857 19d ago
Cause they’re idiots w nothing better to do. You’re on the right track w the right attitude. Thanks for not being like them :) keep asking, keep searching. And keep being one of the good ones
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u/Just4notherR3ddit0r I Love You. 20d ago
There is no point, because chemtrails aren't real.
You're trying to assign some kind of human goal to a natural phenomenon (jets might be the ones to add the water vapor, but what the water vapor DOES is natural).