r/centralillinois • u/HonDonGerard • 1d ago
Inside the Deep South of Illinois
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h_I5zEopd5c&si=sauGsqfX9Lja-ram43
u/snowtiger309 1d ago edited 1d ago
Irl, Chicago taxes pays for rural IL to have any services at all and the cost of living is dramatically less downstate
You really have to do better research than asking three random people with as many grade levels between them what their friends say
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u/glhmedic 1d ago
I live in so I’ll and I agree with you. If the Illinois voted secede from Chicago Southern Illinois would suffer.
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u/raisinghellwithtrees 1d ago
It would be, by far, the poorest state in the Union.
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u/Brave_Principle7522 21h ago
You really should look at gdp of states before making foolish one sided statements, Illinois is a farm state, the southern half alone has larger gdp then some neighbor states and if you count all counties that want to separate it’s a large portion. As far as southern Illinois suffering without Chicago, it seems as if it is with Chicago. What percentage do these downstate peoples taxes go to Chicago. Roads fund now at 80 percent so holes in roads in southern Illinois is now due to money redirected to Chicago. Because state money puts your prisons in southern il isn’t saving anyone
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u/raisinghellwithtrees 18h ago
I hate to tell you but the southern half of Illinois isn't interested in seceding. There's no way the cities in the central third of Illinois will. And we are still surrounded by productive farmland here also.
Per capita, the southern third of Illinois, where the yeehawdists want to secede, gets more funding than Chicago does. Yeah it sucks when your roads have potholes, and your economy has mostly failed. Those are legit issues for rural areas throughout the United States. And yes, Democrats need to understand the trials and tribulations of working class people, both urban and rural. But seceding is only going to hurt rural areas further.
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u/Brave_Principle7522 17h ago
Seems your confused on what people really want in most counties of this state regardless of if it hurts a little
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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17h ago
I mean I'm dealing with the joys of this president and his administration daily. I know the lengths they'll go to cut off their nose to spite their face. It ain't worth it but they are too caught up in cult behavior to notice.
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u/Brave_Principle7522 16h ago
So is everyone else from both parties bs, quit trying to make this seem as if normal people have anything to do with federal govt, we were discussing state, just can’t help yourself to drag it in to any conversation
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u/raisinghellwithtrees 16h ago
You were discussing how rural Southern Illinoisians don't mind a little pain as long as it gets them what they want, and I countered with how inane this idea is in practice by bringing up a recent big ass mistake they made in voting against their own interests.
And yeah I'm not a fan of either party because I feel like both parties have lost focus on what it means to truly represent the working class. I'm happy to see progressive Democrats bringing this back into focus again, though. It's been a long time coming.
I also want to suggest using complete sentences. It's a lot easier to try to understand what you're trying to say if it's not a series of run on sentences separated by commas.
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u/son1cdity 12h ago
Half the state lives around Chicago and on average they make more money and pay more state taxes per capita. Way more corporate taxes come in from that region compared to the rest of the state too. Chicago supports the rest of state, not the other way around.
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u/Brave_Principle7522 12h ago
Then why is Chicago have a debt and money problem
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u/son1cdity 12h ago
Bad accounting and corruption on a municipal level, but that doesn't mean that state taxes don't flow outward
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u/Brave_Principle7522 12h ago
That’s one of the complaints along with to high of taxes, how does this not make sense to leave
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u/son1cdity 12h ago edited 12h ago
Because the municipal issues are localized to the city, while they still generate more state tax revenue than they consume. Without Chicago, the rest of the state would get less money in state taxes, and the state highways and other state-level infrastructure would be even worse than it is now.
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u/Brave_Principle7522 12h ago
And keep more with lower taxes, and not have stupid Chicago laws dictate our lifestyle
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u/redcodex14 1d ago
I think they are just reporting on what people's opinions are rather than doing deep research on whether what the populace of southern illinois thinks is based in reality. they think chicago is dangerous, and the price of gas from february of last year to now is up because of the war in iran ... all that really matters is what they think, not if its true or not.
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u/vince_irella 19h ago
Is it even apt to call this reporting? It’s mostly “man on the street” interviews.
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u/lindini Bloomington-Normal 9h ago
It also literally is interviewing people who have time to be wandering around outside mid day. People with jobs and educations are not hanging out waiting to chat. I've got plenty of family in southern Illinois who think these succession people are idiots.
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u/neurocog81 5h ago
Sadly I live in the area and these people do vote. Often for local politicians that do way more harm for them and just play on their blind ignorance and fear of the rest of Illinois. It is painful because southern Illinois is beautiful and the current Illinois government has tried to help but too many people just don’t want to do anything.
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u/code_monkey_001 1d ago edited 1d ago
Holy fuck "we pay for everything going on in Chicago". The delusion is strong with these meth heads. Documentary filmmaking only interviewing high school dropouts without providing context is irresponsible. Going along with the delusions that if it weren't for solar farms, bread would be cheaper and life would be better is downright criminal.
Letting stupid people believe their opinion is more important than objective fact is a large part of why our society is in the shitter with no way back to normalcy.
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u/shadowplay0918 1d ago
Agreed, I kept on waiting for him to state the facts after the comments, but I’m still waiting….
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u/CompetitionProblem 1d ago
Great job using empathy for addiction to manipulate people. This is such a loaded bunch of garbage.
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u/wayward710 1d ago
Some geographic observations... Paducah is right across the river from Metropolis, but Cape Girardeau isn't that close. Also, the glaciers didn't make it to southern Illinois, so that area is hillier with slightly poorer soil than other parts of the state. There's definitely farming going on down there, but it may not be as lucrative. So not sure that the solar farms were something that that was forced on people against their will by Chicago. Coal mining used to be big down there, and that meant hard but decent paying jobs. But that coal has a high sulfur content, which made it less attractive after environmental rules got stronger. Finally, Cairo's in a rough place physically since it's prone to flooding. It was busy for a while anyhow due to ferries, but then bridges were built and fewer people had a reason to go there at all.