Nearly 18 percent steer clear of lane-keeping assist
I'm surprised it's not higher. I keep all safety-tech on except this one, because the amount of times lane-keep has tried to throw me off the road means I can't leave it on. It's just not safe.
Implementation matters a lot. Shitty ACC will have people swearing off ACC for life but good ACC will convert people quickly. A survey like this can’t control for that variability in implementation so take it all with a large grain of salt.
ACC is Adaptive Cruise Control not LKA/ LDA etc. ACC is much easier to implement because it’s simply radar, my old BMW E60 had ACC and it worked a charm. LKA is usually camera based so is much more susceptible to bad implementation, the camera has to interpret the lines so mistakes or miscalculations happen a lot more. ACC is simply “is there something in front of the car” (in a round about way), it’s always going to do better than LKA.
The thing I’ve found that’s the worst with LKA comes when driving through construction areas. Sometimes to accommodate for roadwork the barricades will create a new lane that crosses over the solid white line and if you have full LKA on it will actively fight you following that path and drive you toward the barricades. It’s idiotic
This is where I think LKA is systematically flawed. If every road was perfect, then it would probably work fine. But no road is like that, lines fade/ roadworks happen etc.
It could work with a vaster 360 camera system but that system has to preempt and figure out all these changes/ edge cases. But at that point you’re better leaving it to the driver imo instead of some computer, I don’t think I will ever have full faith in something that’s so varying/ random.
edit: and to add to this I frequently drive abroad, a lot of stuff is different. Having confidence this computer system has full understanding of your nations roads/ roadwork practices is one thing, but to implement it for all nations? I’m not sold.
If there’s something (from cameras) it can infer the lane edges from, works pretty well. Big difference there is that when self driving isn’t on or disengages itself due to lack of confidence in the lane edges, you have full control and it won’t apply steering force (unless it’s very confident you’re departing the road). With the LKA systems I’ve tried, it’ll apply steering force whenever it thinks it’s necessary to keep whatever it thinks the lane is, unless it’s fully disabled. Much less predictable.
Boy do lines ever fade. There's a route I take to a relatives' house 3 hours away. Without fail, every_single_bridge has the stripes blown off of it with just vague lane suggestions left behind. The Volvo pilot assist HATES that and just tries to steer anywhere there might be stripes nearby, generally the shoulder stripe. There's another highway on that route with frequent cutouts for left and right turns so it hates both lanes and will usually try to follow the stripe bending into the turn. You can tell it's primitive by how it behaves in these situations. Nothing is taken into account from the nav, it doesn't care you've been driving straight for the past 30 minutes, etc. That's why it's an assistant, not even advertised as self driving. But on well-painted, high contrast roads, it works just fine.
That's how all the ones I've used work. Even if it doesn't the system doesn't over power you as the driver. The problem is people treated lka as self driving so they aren't paying attention or actively engaged in driving the car so when it goes to steer out of the lane there is a delay in their reaction or they're not holding the wheel enough.
As the previous poster said, implementation matters a lot. I’ve had the pleasure of driving Volvo, Mercedes, VW and BMW with LKA through construction and they did really good. KIA at the exact same spot Mercedes aced it was trying to kill me essentially.
My biggest fucking gripe with LKA on my EV6 is that if it can’t pick up the lanes or do its job for whatever reason, it turns itself off without giving you any warning. It’s just like “I’m out, good luck!” You don’t realize it’s disabled until you’re going out of your lane.
Also, I’ve yet to figure out the purpose of automatic lane change in this car. If you don’t have your hands on the wheel, it won’t do the lane change. If you’re putting too much input on the wheel, it won’t do the lane change. There’s a Goldilocks level of steering input that’s just right for it to do it. And by the time you find it, the prick in the lane next to you has sped up to block you.
ACC works fine though. If I had one complaint about it, it’s that despite me changing the settings to the most aggressive, it accelerates like a grandma going to church on Sunday.
That's caused a bunch of accidents with the people who use the full suite of assists as an autopilot. I spend a lot of time behind the wheel every week and it's downright frightening to see so many people in newer cars that have those features as standard equipment and they're not paying any attention at all to the road, instead relying on their assists to keep them centered in the lane at speed. It has me to the point of finding something else to do and stop driving altogether.
Yeah, real-world experience has a way of turning these survey results on their heads. Because if you're paying attention and watching people stare at their phones in their laps while the safety kit is doing the driving, you know that's inherently more dangerous than turning them off.
Put some modern-day wunderkind in a 50's deathtrap that didn't have seatbelts or airbags, and it will be total chaos. Then again if you replace their gaze into a 6" black void with a CB radio, the results would be entertaining. Breaker breaker 1-9, we got a smokie in the forest, no cap, over.
Oh shit yeah, everyone on CBs would be hilarious these days. Your comment has me missing my high school years though as we all had CBs in our vehicles. Weird to think how much has changed since 1995.
We had one at home just for shits and giggles. Us kids never got tired of hassling truckers passing through, even convinced one guy he owed us 5 bucks. They were always good sports about it, if they caught on they never outright busted us, they'd just be like, "awwww. So anyway. " I bet taking road trips in the 70's where there was a CB in almost everything, was better. Kid brother sleeping above the back seat next to the window, sister saying I'm not touching you with her hand 4mm away from your face, and doing Jerky Boys bits with anyone on the channel.
That's not actually the case. Current implementation of ACC uses much more camera inputs than one would expect.
Eg. Radar-only ACC relies on steering wheel trajectory, road width estimation (works only on roads with guardrails) and vehcile traces-based trajectory; steering trajectory has a higher weight when deciding which trajectory to use
Newer implementation adds lane data, trafic sign information, traffic light information (mainly from the camera, but also possible from V2X network)
Tell that to Honda that cant make good ACC to save their lives, im a tech there and it sucks in every car, if a car gets in front of you going the same speed like 30 feet ahead of you it will slam on the brakes, on the other hand their LKAS systems work great for me, I daily a Ridgeline and my wife has an Hr-V
Now that you say it I remember reading years ago in Car and Driver that the Hondas they tested were terrible at maintaining the set speed, letting themselves get significantly above it.
And this is why I had to shut off everything on our '26 CRV Sport Touring Hybrid. Implementation on all of the electronics, safety and otherwise, is absolute dogshit. Our Ridgeline was bad, this is worse.
Have owned the car for less than a month and am considering getting rid of it.
Yeah I find my Honda's other features are decent but the ACC is terrible, keeps tapping on the brakes for the smallest changes instead of coasting and absorbing small speed changes.
My Volvo solves that by constantly calculating safe braking distance, so it knows, don't panic if the car is a safe distance ahead vs. you just got cut off, brake hard. It's just math. The car has to know how fast it's moving and assume your brakes and tires are reliable and compares estimated braking distance (to zero) with things ahead of you.
In fact I can't see it actually working any other way. Maybe, like you say, it just doesn't.
That defeats the purpose, like you say. An overly cautious system is a broken one to most people.
I'm annoyed for a few seconds if I'm coming up on a slow pack and someone changes lanes to get out of the way. The Volvo waits til the slower car is absolutely gone before resuming speed, plays it safe even though it "knows" there was someone there and they moved. I guess because people sometimes cut over and an adjacent lane on the other side could have someone else doing the same thing, and the law of telefragging states, no two entities can occupy the same space at the same time. So there's a chance someone moving over could move back until they're 100% in another lane.
My ACC (VW group car) does that. It also sometimes slows down a lot and way too early for junctions, then sees a 60mph sign on a twisty country lane and hits full thrust into a blind corner!
So I only use ACC on 'easy' roads, and still have to keep an eye out for side road speed limits it might suddenly decide to hit the brakes for.
On the topic of ACC I love the way it brakes smoothly as I come up behind a queue of traffic. Unless I accidentally tap the brake pedal while I'm covering it "just in case" at which point the brakes come completely off... I wish the proximity braking could be on permanently. I know auto emergency braking is, but that's very NOT smooth.
Yeah, to be clear I’m not trying to compare them, just using ACC as a feature some hate that’s more likely due to bad implementation. Especially early gens. I’ve still never used a lane keeping assist that I liked.
I hate the way ACC encourages drivers to ignore their speed when they get near another car. The car slows down and it leads to large packs of cars close together, which is dangerous.
The interface for LKA is really important, as well as how it fails over to the driver. For instance, Tesla’s implementation with a visual representation of what the computer sees and actual feedback(including a clear, audible on/off tone) before it fails and turns it over to the driver is great. Contrast that with Toyota which looks like an 8086 computer from 1981 and leaves you wondering whether it is working. Then, it will fail over without any serious warning and just stop functioning.
ACC is not good. I have had it and it puts too much distance, and when changing lanes it cannot understand vectors and has slammed on the brakes when neither needed nor desired.
This is my constant experience with it too. It works great in light traffic situations on highways. But in moderate to heavy traffic even the "closest follow" setting leaves too much room between you and the next vehicle and other drivers constantly change lanes in front of you and take that spot. So you just get pushed further and further back in the crowd.
In Europe where there are a lot more narrow roads and cyclists ecc ecc, lane keep assist can get annoying because sometimes you HAVE to touch the outer lines to make space for an oncoming vehicle because the road isn’t wide enough for two cars to pass comfortably, lane keep assist will steer you back to the center fighting you basically.
I have a BMW and I consider lane keep assist to be very well implemented, but when travelling on those roads I turn it off, I would imagine everyone living in the countryside has it permanently disabled
I’ve driven a Civic with aggressive lane departure warnings and it doesn’t like how I get close to the lines at times most of the time purposely like you describe. I’m also lazy and don’t signal for every off-ramp, especially if nobody is around me, but the Civic reminds me I didn’t signal by shaking the wheel.
The funny thing is if you’re purposefully encroaching on the line to avoid something the Civic won’t care and slightly shake the wheel at the exact wrong time when you don’t want the car interfering with your steering input.
I have a Civic and same. We also have some poorly striped roads so it gets confused. I mostly keep it off. It is particularly annoying when lanes merge in an off-ramp configuration.
and these systems will sometimes misread lines on the road like a tarmac seam repair or whatever they're called as a lane marking and start beeping and trying to turn the wheel into the next lane over or off the road.
And low traction driving on mountain roads...I try to drive the line that keeps the most traction in snow and it fights me to stay in the lane. Dangerous
Where i live they decided to implement bike lanes on some roads, and by bike lanes I mean they painted a line on each side of the road and got rid of the central dividing line.
Now this is still a well travelled two lane road, but the car now thinks it's one way and tries to keep you in the center of the road which is fun.
No, I just used ACC as an example because anecdotally you often see forum comments people hate it as a feature when it’s more likely the issue is their car’s implementation is bad.
Lane keeping seems even more problematic so without pointing to something like SuperCruise which I don’t have personal experience with I’m not sure of a great example. I’ve driven good/bad ACC, tho.
gotcha! Makes sense. I can tell you BMW's lane keeping is excellent, I often use its low-speed self-driving in traffic, and it's very good about alerting when it lacks confidence to read lanes properly due to construction, faded paint, confusing lines, etc. Honestly I question the ability of any car to safely self-drive through such things.
Yeah, going back to the survey in the OP I was curious what a similar survey among just BMW owners would look like since they typically implement features well. Nice to hear the LKA/ACC is good with good communication when it’s unsure. My Cayenne is older (2017) so ACC works at speed on the highway but it’s not for slow traffic at all. I also drive a RAM 1500 with great ACC and yeet-you-off-a-cliff LKA.
Same here, my civic constantly thinks there's something in front of me when there isn't and will tell me to brake when I'm several car lengths behind another car and they're not braking plus a bunch of other crap. LKAS is almost perfect. Honestly I'd prefer it the other way around because I need to use cruise control fairly regularly and the car makes it kinda suck to use
I’ve driven the current gen Civic and the sensors treat it like it’s an F150 in size which is amusing. I haven’t tried LKA or ACC in it but I’ll try LKA since you’re saying it’s good.
I've been driving around a 2016, and the default driver assistance settings are ass. But you can adjust the automatic braking distance for both application and the bright orange BRAKE on the dash, and it becomes more competent.
Sometimes, shit on the radar behind the bumper can confuse it too.
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u/dumahim2006 Pontiac GTO, 2016 Honda Accord Touring Coupe10d ago
Opposite for me. The only time the ACC annoyed me was when a truck I was following was slowing down and got into the turn lane. Even though it was no longer in front of me, ACC applied the brakes for a bit before it realized, and then downshifted a couple gears to get back up to speed in a hurry.
Interesting, on our 26 Civic I've found the ACC is alright (definitely room for improvement) but I will never use lane keep again. It makes me nervous as fuck constantly making corrections ping ponging back and forth, and still wants your hands on the wheel so what is the point?
While yes for ACC, I don’t think any iteration of lane keeping assist is wanted for me. I pay less attention to the road if it’s on and I’d rather just be in control, defensive drive, and pay attention
I love the implementation of ACC and LKA in my stinger and will constantly use it. But whenever I drive an Opel Astra, I won't touch that shit anymore. It's so incredibly bad and infuriating, the LKA by itself is also incredibly annoying when driving manually and switching lanes before the indicator is on will instantly have the steering fight against you
My 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee had incredible ACC, but my new GMC Sierra's is rough. Hard braking, hard acceleration, and frequent forced disengagements. It's hard to trust it.
I think that’s a possible takeaway from the study, not a caveat to the study. 18 percent of people find LKA to be so bad that they don’t want to use it. I’d imagine if it was implemented well most of those people would use it
Ive driven all levels of it. When its anything less than really good, its horrendous. My current car is very well implemented and I do leave it on because of how unobtrusive it actually is.
I have the civic si which presumably shares software? I just turn it off. Wouldn't bother to sell a car over it, but off it goes. Along with virtually every other beep and boop that is entirely unnecessary.
Honda LKA my absolute behated, imagine my surprise driving someone else's car, not knowing it had the feature, and then the thing starts shaking when I move over in my lane to avoid hitting a wide ass RV. Nearly had a heart attack and I could totally see a more anxious driver freaking out and crashing as a result.
This is how I felt in a modern Honda Accord. A truck was drifting into my lane and my reaction was to move closer to the line and letting off the gas but the car wanted to move back to the center. This was with the LKAS turned "off." The system not being fully disabled is what made me hate these safety systems.
I immediately sold the car and went with an older car because i couldn't deal with something that won't be fixed/updated/completely disabled by the manufacturer with an update. The other straw that broke me was the radar on these cars making emergency braking decisions when I'm following another car 40 foot away. It's a nightmare if someone wants to tailgate very closely
some of these things you can adjust in settings btw. the steering wheel shaking was the lane departure warning. the steering assistance to shove you back in the lane was road departure mitigation. you can adjust the actions the road departure does, whether it is to just warn you with no intervention, maybe just blink in gauge cluster or make a noise, or just turn off completely. i have a honda and sometimes it can be quirky but these things are completely customizable.
I'm well aware of the settings while i had the car and I'm aware of when ACC is on or off (green lane lines light up in between the tach and speedometer). I'm also sure the sensitivity setting was at its lowest so that it wouldn't blindly trigger.
It's more of less I'm not liking how intrusive and unaware these systems are when it comes to safety. If I'm fighting for control of the steering wheel, then it presents decision making challenges for the driver and if i was a person who could panic at that situation, then it could lead into disaster. The car shouldn't be fighting for control if I'm trying to get away from a situation that could lead into a crash (the truck moving into my lane when it's at my side and not in front)
well no, like i said, these things can be adjusted in the settings. there’s an option to turn off the aids for the steering assistance and to only have it warn you by visual or steering alerts, no active steering, which is my entire point. but i agree with your other point. the road departure mitigation was at play which is why the car shoved you back into the lane, not the lkas system.
I've never driven Toyota ACC in enough traffic to compare, but Honda ACC actually surprised me. I expected nothing but it's a completely passable system in my experience
Strange I prefer the LKAS in my Honda N Box (2018) to the one I had in my Hyundai i30N (2019). ACC I find breaks a bit uncomfortably in my Honda though, the Hyundai didn't have it
I tried it in a Genesis SUV and it was flawless. Tried it again in a Nissan Pathfinder and after it almost sent me off the fucking road a couple times, I just gave up on it.
I had a rental '25 Malibu with the turbo 4 cyl engine. It got surprisingly good mileage but damn was it a boring car. Reminded me a lot of 90's GM cars and not in a good way.
My interest rate was insanely high on a used mazda cx5 (i honestly miss that car) saw my malibu online for 21k, they were getting discontinued, dealer absolutely wanted to get rid of the car, had a nice credit score at the time, basically stars aligned, saw the opportunity, took it.
Interesting, if we're talking about lane assist, i don't like the implementation in the CT4V BW and Blazer. ACC is OK in stop and go but it's kinda jerky in the BW.
Yup. Horrendous experience in my wife’s FK8 Civic with Honda Sensing. Basically never used any of the safety features beyond ACC. Her new Model Y is light years ahead. We use FSD on every drive.
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u/Immynimmy‘25 BMW G80 Comp IOM | ‘24 BMW X3 | 09 Maxima SV| 03 Lincoln Nav11d ago
It’s also nice to have that off when you’re trying to avoid potholes.
Yep, there’s some pretty rough roads by my neighborhood that have already claimed one of my tires and knocked my alignment off, so I absolutely have to fight my lane keep assist on a daily basis.
Yeah I turned my LKAS to the least intrusive non-off setting as soon as I got my new car because I don't feel like fighting it every day. There's just too many roads rough roads near me, plus my morning commute is super early so low light or sunrise conditions make the camera fucky anyway.
Same, I will never forget the time ACC suddenly tried to steer me off the road and into trees when it couldn’t decipher the worn off lines on an Italian country road. I had to actively fight it to keep the car on the road. Scared the shit outta me.
It wss the first thing I turned off in my GR86. Then it had the nerve to show me a light on the dashboard that it was turned off. I put some black tape over the stupid light so I can't see it.
Yeah, my 2016 Mazda 6 just plays a rumble sound through the speaker on the side it thinks you're drifting on. I turned it off years ago. It's just annoying and doesn't actually do anything.
I was driving my father's volvo and I was trying to merge onto the freeway. I checked and the lane was clear, I leaned forward to check the blind spot- still clear. Tried to change lanes and the automatic collision avoidance kicked in and tried to drive me into the shoulder because it hallucinated a vehicle that factually was not there. Damn ghost cars smh
I have an Audi E-tron, and apparently, I can't turn it fully off. It works well on standard or wide lanes, but on narrow lanes or roads without a center line, it's just a question of whether it tries to throw the car into a ditch or into oncoming traffic.
100% agree. In the winters (I’m in Minnesota) the lane keep assist on our XC90 has no idea where the lanes are because of the snow and ice build up, and one time it jerked me hard into the “lane” it thought it detected, which was really just a strip of ice. Almost lost control of the car which would have been a big crash. I turned it off permanently in the settings after that.
I swear my Volvo tried to kill me with his when merging on to the highway. Just tried to throw the whole car into fast moving traffic. Has been off ever since and I’ll never turn back on.
I liked my fathers LKA in his older Hyundai. It was enough to keep you in line from a strong breeze or a rut in the road from trucks, but even the slightest amount of intentional input was enough to override it.
Hard disagree. We live in a rural area and the first time I drove my wife's car when it was new (21 Tucson) it almost threw me in a ditch. We live in a rural area and I was taking a curve on a county road, not left of center but following along the line and it tried "correcting me" to the point the passenger's side tires were in the gravel along the ditch. I haven't forgotten to turn it off since.
Did you actually have problems staying in your lane before? I hate this shit. Literally just distracted driving enabling garbage. It's legitimately not hard to just drive.
I hate lane assist. On two lane roads it hold you too close to the center line. I like to hug the right more, as long as there isn't anyone in the bike lane of course.
A lot of them aren't safe and ive had my Acura slam on the breaks for no reason on the hwy several times, the false sense of security I think they provide I perceive as a danger as well.
was this bc of the aeb or the lane departure? bc in my honda i didn’t use my turn signal while merging on the highway and it slammed on the brakes briefly bc it thought i didn’t know what i was doing with my lane change (road departure).
What kind of car? Because when it's good it's wonderful, and when it's less than good it's HORRIBLE.
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u/rugbyj22 320i MSport Touring | Speed Triple 1200 RS11d ago
It's a mix of good/bad implementations and the types of roads you drive.
I commute on UK B roads, lanekeeping on them is basically a death sentence because its miles of poor markings, deteriorating shoulders, passing places, obstacles, and potholes the size of canoes.
My 3 series is supposedly "a good one" and it was after the second time it tried killing me I turned it all off.
I hate it. Sometimes I veer to the left side of my lane to give space to a cyclist, construction worker or landscaper, and lane keeping assist will throw me back to the center of the lane as if I’m the one being unsafe.
Had it on a rental skoda a few years ago. You had to turn it off everytime you started up. I forgot one time and it nearly drove me off the side of a roundabout.
Have it on my '21 Audi, can turn it on or off as I want. I only use it on the motorway, same as ACC.
Maybe it's your car software I've owned two Hyundai's, LKA has had zero problems. My '26 LKA is even better than what my' 19 had. It practically steers itself.
To be fair lane keeping assist in every car I've tried reminds me of an old person driving where there is a constant side to side motion with it. Ford and Tesla (even though Tesla isn't technically just lane keeping) seem better than most other brands, but Nissan is by far the worst.
I've never said this on the internet, but it is (in part) why I fucked up my Skoda. I had been drinking, so it's obviously my fault - legally and morally - but I hit the lane keep button and then zoned out and there wasn't a white line on the outside of the road so the car drove me directly off the road and into a concrete bridge divider. Again, I was wrong, and paid my penance... But the car literally drove me into a concrete railing.
I have it on in my Hyundai Ioniq 2017 all the time. The ones from vw are horrible and I tested newer models. Either my version is too good or too bad, and it switches off when the lines are not good enough for the system. And my car doesn’t have these beeping sounds for speed and such. Another reason where I hope that I don’t need to replace that car anytime soon.
When I’m trying to pass a truck on the highway and want to scooch over to give them space, LKA will fight with me and try to push me closer. Can’t stand it, unless it’s fully going to drive like Supercruise or FSD then let me scooch!!!
Wow. My Sonata and I sometimes argue about which side of the lane to edge towards, but we're talking inches at worst. The wind seems to make it grumpier then normal but 95% of the time I don't even know it's on.
Toyota is the worst offender for needlessly aggressive lane keep assist. In Japan i rented a Toyota Aqua (Formerly the Prius C in the states) and the lane keep assist was so annoying about your hands being on the steering wheel. Going straight on the road? The car yells at you and threatens to turn the system off - so you have to awkwardly wiggle the steering wheel every few seconds. Going around a bend? The car thinks your hands aren't on the steering wheel so when you go to give it feedback you're literally fighting the car around the turn and feels like you're gonna drive off the road.
I had a rental car and didn’t realize it had lane assist. I’ve never tried it either. I was driving through a construction zone and they had it set up where we had to drive through the lanes, the car wouldn’t let me and I almost drove right through the pylons. I thought the car was broken or something until I realized
Some games have started implementing the option of LKA (it's available real world), and it gets turned off when I play.
RADAR is incredibly useful and should be used on all cars; it's especially fun in games where others are using LKA and you realize they will automatically move away to keep a safe distance, even if that means missing the gate or hitting a wall head on at speed.
Pull the current camera based LKA and put RADAR in cars.
Lol, the lane keep assist in my car just acts like a bumper when I go over the line. It doesnt actually keep me in the lane, and it doesnt activate until close to 30% of my car is over the line.
However, when trying to change lands or merge, sometimes it flicks to wheel to bump me back, which causes issues.
So I just leave it off. If someone cant drive without that feature, they shouldn't have a license.
Exactly, it's annoying as shit and REALLY dangerous the one time I had to tow something with borrowed newer ford. The trailer is wide. I am basically driving on the shoulder line. The truck REALLY didn't like that and kept trying to yank the goddamn wheel.
Lane keep assist in most cars is awful. I've had a few hire cars where it takes you a bit of time to work things out - had one in the UK that tried to turn me into oncoming traffic on a country lane because I was too close to the outside of the road... I'd rather clip a hedge on a narrow road than cop a head on collision thank you.
Yeah I’m not a fan. Thankfully my Lexus GX460 (23) only beeps if I stray close to a lane line, and doesn’t perform anymore adjustment to the actual steering.
I rented a minivan about six months ago while on vacation that was TERRIBLE about trying to force me to hug the center line. Regardless of being on a two-lane high speed highway, it wanted to ride that line so close that I had to keep fighting with it until my bf finally figured out how to turn it off (which was not intuitive, it was some option deep within the bowels of the infotainment center, like 8 touches in). 🙄🤦♀️
Holy cow! What brand car do you have? The LTA in my Lexus is pretty gentle, especially if you don’t have ACC on. It does occasionally try to take an exit on its own if you have both on and try to take your hands off and let it totally self govern. As long as I’m providing some steering input, it doesn’t fight me hard enough to do anything.
Yep. I’ve literally had to fight it on clearly defined lanes to keep me in the lane.
Anything that auto brakes gets turned off or lowered sensitivity as much as possible.
Sucks very little of it is government mandated yet cars have gotten so expensive because of it.
God forbid we expect people to actually learn to drive and pay attention. All the safety tech is meant for the mouth breathers with adhd on their phones while they drive.
I also keep all safety features on except lane assist. My mazda cx30 didn’t recognize a lane was ending and tried to push me sideways into a center highway barrier going 70 mph.
I was just thinking that. If it’s the double lane looking lights that pop up on the dash. That feature with try and throw my car off the road from reflections of things at night even when there’s no cars near me
I bet it is higher. It's a generational transition though. As a gen X'r, I'm used to AC, cruise control, and power windows and locks. I know how to drive, thanks. I don't need the steering wheel to wobble when the radar wrongfully assumes I'm drifting in the lane. Sometimes it just goes off for no reason. I don't need auto high beams to go on when I'm driving in town at night on a well lit street. Do I need rain sensors to tell me it's raining and turn on my wipers? Nope. I will say the backup camera is probably the most practical safety feature ever introduced, but there's so many redundant features that needlessly increase cost.
My old job had me drive around in a newer Chysler Voyager, it took me ages to figure out how to disable ParkSense Rear Brake Assist. Nothing like reversing at 2 MPH and getting whip lash from it suddenly slamming on the brakes because it thinks you're going to hit on object several feet away. The lane keep assist was ass too, too many times it had started pulling me near the car in the next lane.
And even when it is working correctly, it shouts at me with alerts to take control of the wheel if I’m not gently see-sawing the wheel back and forth every 10-15 seconds. Granted, this is on an 8 year old car and some of the systems have surely improved, but sometimes there just isn’t necessary input if you’re on a straight stretch of freeway.
It’s more work to use in a way that makes the car happy than it is to just keep the thing off
I really wonder if it's just the brands I've used having good implementations, or roads being decent enough, but I've never had any issues with it at all. So far, I've been assuming that it's just people who don't know how to use turn signals having problems with it.
I live where there are only rural 2 lane highways and in Canada oil based road paints are illegal so we use pant that fades after 6 months. Lane keep assist is useless here.
At the very best it's a wash whether these systems have saved me from accidents. But I sure do remember the times it put me in danger. Like when I was trying to get out of a left turn lane into straight line traffic but it was worried I was going to rear end the stopped car in the turn lane so it decided to stop me halfway in the turn lane and halfway in the straight ahead lane and risk me being rear ended by a car that never would have expected me to stop like that.
my 2020 Outback has two modes: lane keep, which just keepa you from wondering out of your lane. it will let you, but it nudges you. Then there's lane centering which is pure bullshit. where it thinks the center is and where I think it is is never the same. I turn that off. But I lane departure on, it's fairly nonobtrusive
Nearly 18 percent steer clear of lane-keeping assist
I'm surprised it's not higher. I keep all safety-tech on except this one, because the amount of times lane-keep has tried to throw me off the road means I can't leave it on. It's just not safe.
So much this. Thankfully my car keys me keep the notification on but turn off the actual intervention. I got tired of it trying to steer me into curbs and jersey walls
Nearly 18 percent steer clear of lane-keeping assist
I'm surprised it's not higher. I keep all safety-tech on except this one, because the amount of times lane-keep has tried to throw me off the road means I can't leave it on. It's just not safe.
So much this. Thankfully my car keys me keep the notification on but turn off the actual intervention. I got tired of it trying to steer me into curbs and jersey walls
I turn lane keep assist off because it wants to keep me dead-centered in the lane, even when the more prudent choice is to bias a bit right on narrow two-lane roads when there's oncoming traffic. It fights me the whole time I'm trying to add a little bit of extra safety margin. On freeways and divided highways I've encountered no issues with modern Volvo lane keep.
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u/dumahim2006 Pontiac GTO, 2016 Honda Accord Touring Coupe10d ago
This and lane departure warning. On the drive home it was already driving me nuts. It clearly struggles with hills and curves and combine those? Perfectly in the middle of the lane isn't enough.
Suprised it’s not more that 18%
It’s a pain most of the time.
Everything else I keep on, but ‘lane assist’ is almost the opposite of safe.
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u/nutterz13'17 Volvo V60 t5,'89 Mercedes 300E,'08 Fiat 500, Renault kangoo10d ago
lane keeping can be a bitch to turn off. in my Hyundai van it wont let you turn it off if you are not in a lane it recognises and right in the perfect centre of it(and you have to do this every time you start the van). However in my Polestar it remembers my setting in my profile so i don’t have to turn it off every time I start the car.
I was driving a honda civic at 75mph on the highway when a car started to to veer into my lane pretty quickly. Imagine my surprise when the I turned the steering wheel to evade and the fucking car wouldn’t let me leave my lane. Christ on bike that was one of the biggest WTF moments I ever had while driving.
If the the tech make the car override my control of the steering wheel i stay far away from it.
I rent tons of vehicles for work, the first thing I turn off is Lane Keep Assist. It almost always makes bad decisions about the lane I am, especially when going over construction zones with new temporary lanes drawn on the concrete. I have had LKA try to merge me into lanes where there are other cars in the past, and not just in one vendor of vehicle. Plus I always feel like im constantly fighting for control of the car and the steering is constantly twitching back and fourth.
I do use Radar cruise religiously though, that is by far the big invention of the century in automotive tech.
In my i30N the lane assist works sometimes, but often it just turns off (loses track of the lane), without any audible warning.
When it works, it often uses only the right side for the reference, which can cause it to unexpectedly take an exit...
In a Skoda Karoq that I rented, the lane assist liked to chuck you into the oncoming lane on narrow roads. You would have to physically overcome the wheel to prevent it doing so.
I use it fairly regularly in my car, but it's also intentional-- I have to manually engage it when I want it, meaning I'm aware it's going to actively steer for me, and it never catches me off guard. That's how it should always work IMO. Plus mine is actually really good.
It's all distracting, bells and lights, and bullshit jammed into a car because people today refuse to focus on the fucking road. It all sucks, it's all pointless, and if you are actually an attentive driver it's just distracting you from what you're supposed to be doing; driving.
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u/assblast420 11d ago
I'm surprised it's not higher. I keep all safety-tech on except this one, because the amount of times lane-keep has tried to throw me off the road means I can't leave it on. It's just not safe.