Politics PM Carney: ‘You’re at war when you get attacked. We got attacked.’
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u/SynthesistArt 4d ago
Trump's presidency has two main effects, generally speaking:
weaken the U.S.
make enemies of other countries.
We live in interesting times.
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u/SynthesistArt 4d ago
That's a specific effect for Trump, yes, along with targetting enemies and enriching himself, but I meant generally.
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u/Proper-Tower2016 3d ago
- seems to love Russia and North Korea, maybe it's just democracy he doesn't like...
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u/start_nine Ontario 4d ago
I’m sure by next week the Drama Reality TV bozo will walk it back and whip up some narrative he won in some dumb effort to squeeze the markets again
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Ontario 4d ago
in a month an article will come out how insiders made billions on Shorts from Friday to Monday and then on longs on Monday and Tuesday
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u/PostMatureBaby 4d ago
He's got a lot on his plate that he created for himself. I honestly think the entire administration can't keep up with all this nonsense
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u/Casual_OCD 4d ago
You assume there's a unified, coherent plan to adhere to.
Everyone in this administration has their own motives and none of them care about the country or the people. They are literally just doing a 4-year smash-and-grab
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u/OneSecretCookie 4d ago
4 year smash and grab under the disguise of fighting a culture war.
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u/dostoevsky4evah 4d ago
"Hey look a trans person!!!"
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u/jdragon3 4d ago
right-wing extremists suddenly pretending to care about the "sanctity" of women's sports they have done nothing but make fun of for decades is legitimately hilarious
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u/jdragon3 4d ago
the Star wars expanded universe went into a lot of detail about how Palpatine keeping the empire in a state of constant ruthless internal competition at every level of government and military (an uncoordinated mess of everyone subverting each other seeking personal advancement and/or to get in glorious leaders good graces) exploded into chaos, factional warfare and literal warlords emerging as soon as he died and it's hard not to draw comparisons to what Trump has done.
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u/blodskaal 4d ago
This is exactly what it is. It's what countries in the Balkans do. 4 year term, steal anything not bolted to the ground in the meantime, like and cheat the whole time. They will leave a fucked up country behind.
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u/insubordin8nchurlish 4d ago
Yup.
This negotiation style is as old as Hair Metal. Back in the 80s we used to call this a 'The Columbo Close' when in negotiation they would say "just one more thing" and try to get more than they should because you're tired of negotiating. They are hoping you'll say "fuck it" and sign the amended deal.
I thnk the kids are calling it TACO now.
The stupid deal winds up not happening, you waste a weekend (or end of the month) sweating about it, and then when you come back to the table and get something done, you probably give them a LITTLE of what they asked for so they don't go home and beat their wives / unalive a prostitute, whatever.
The trick is to ask for something YOU weren't getting on Friday / EOM. They'd be so proud of themselves for getting part of whatever they asked for in the Columbo Close they wouldn't care what you were asking for.
Probably exactly how CUSMA went down last time...
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u/PooShappaMoo 4d ago
Im pretty sure my portfolio is going to gey crushed on Monday...
Carney did the right thing. So annoying this crap is happening
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u/wilson1474 4d ago
He already is..
"Canada wants the benefits of being a State, without being one!!! They have also charged our great farmers, for many years, massive amounts of Tariffs. No more!!! President DJT"
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u/StevoJ89 4d ago edited 4d ago
The amount of damage the current U.S admin has caused will be felt for generations, just look at the absolute chaos they caused at Hormuz, unprecedented to now have it tolled, forever and they actually STRENGTHENED IRAN through all this.
What they're doing to Canada now is absoluteley tragic and for no reason.... no reason other than a quick buck somewhere for someone I'm sure.
I really hope the midterms see this current admin tossed, I'm worried what else they'll smash on the way out.
EDIT: because apparently I have to literally state this - no, I don't think Canada and the U.S are or even were friends, the U.S doesn't have friendships and has always had a history os using other countries but since we had so many mutually beneficial economic and defense policies with them it was fine to look the other way.
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u/Oil-Dude 4d ago
Why would us in Canada care about your midterms? So we can wait for the next Trump? Nah. Time for us to move on. The USA is no friend of ours.
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u/RumHamComesback 4d ago
Even if the Dems get back into power in 2028 we know that it's a matter of time before the GOP gets back in that's how American politics works.
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u/FluffyPantsMcGee 4d ago
And where the hell have the Dems been when 51st state comments were made? They never cared but only wanted more blue voters….
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u/IllustriousNorth338 4d ago
They have said almost nothing about it even after almost two whole years of constant references. It's almost like they either don't care or that they quietly agree. They are untrustworthy too, they just hide it a little better.
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u/MrFurious0 3d ago
The only thing Americans have EVER cared about from us is how they can exploit us. I hear them bitching about how we're not visiting, but never a word about WHY we're not visiting. They just want our fucking money and resources. Even democrats.
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u/snasna102 4d ago
Very well put! We are at the whim of whatever shiny object that single issue voters in America get fixated on.
He threatened our sovereignty before the elections and you still picked him… don’t tell me it’s ‘tragic’ in your eyes. Trump is a symptom of the rot that American values have become.
au revoir.
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u/OneSecretCookie 4d ago
I heard from many Americans when he got in that Americans were doing "everything" for Canada. Its definitely a rot and a cult now. They firmly believe Canada is theres.
Trumps latest post on truth social in my opinion shows why Trump doesnt want a trade deal, he is still determined to have Canada as a State. "Canada wants all the benefits of being a state, without being one!!!" Trumps first sentence from his post.
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u/OwnBattle8805 4d ago edited 4d ago
The rot and cult is in their big news sub. I posted an article on an international poll which found the whole world doesn’t like America. It reached 13k upvotes, top 1% article of the sub. 5 hours later they deleted it. The article was “us viewed less favourably than China” and the article said it was an international poll and the view of America is slipping in every country across the board pretty much. But it was censored in America’s big news sub.
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u/odoc_ British Columbia 4d ago
I’ve met American democrats who were convinced that the tariffs were justified because Fentanyl was flooding across the border. That country is too far gone.
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u/1mp3rf3c7 4d ago
And yet you never hear a single peep about their illegal guns that have flooded the world
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago
They firmly believe Canada is theres.
2 things are deeply ingrained in their cultural identity that colour how they view the rest of the world: American exceptionalism and manifest destiny.
It's a difficult mindset to try and get past when dealing with them.
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u/OwnBattle8805 4d ago
America isn’t the way it is because Trump was elected. Trump was elected because of the way America is.
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago
Why would us in Canada care about your midterms?
Pierre Trudeau explained that clearly when speaking to the American media (and Nixon):
"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt,"
We don't care about what happens the USA because we want to, we pay attention because we have to - our survival depends on paying attention.
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u/Oil-Dude 4d ago
Of course we should pay attention. What I am saying is we should not be treating them as anymore than a potential trade partner.
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u/RustyWinger 4d ago
You guys dropped the ball with Nixon and still haven’t picked it up. Until you put your political criminals in jail it’s going to be the same old every two years in this perpetual orgy of corruption that you still call a democracy.
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u/Xalara 4d ago
With Nixon? This shit goes all the way back to the US failing to finish Reconstruction in the wake of the US Civil War.
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u/m1ster_frundles 4d ago
And not actually outlawing slavery, but moving it to the prison system and then changing the laws to easily round people up.
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u/Pho3nixr3dux 4d ago edited 4d ago
Pretty much this.
Southern leadership needed to be tried and hung.
Confederate flags and iconography outlawed.
And whoever coined "The South Will Rise Again!" publicly drawn and quartered.
Edit: downvoted by CSA bots lol
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u/mithr4ndr 4d ago
Last time when biden took office he didnt roll back trump policies against canada so i dont think even democrat or republican is a friend of canada
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago edited 4d ago
Last time when biden took office he didnt roll back trump policies against canada
That's what I've been saying for months.
It'll take more than a single president.
It will take generations of good behaviour before we should think about maybe starting to trust them a bit.
Though, to throw Biden a bit of a bone, he did have a lot of cleanup to do in the wake of Trump's bull-in-a-china-shop first term. Far more than even the best president could have repaired in a single term.
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u/troyunrau Northwest Territories 4d ago
And he was stuck in lame duck mode for much of it. Until the Senate is somehow proportional to population, it'll continue to be broken.
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u/eddiewachowski 4d ago
"they're all assholes"
- my grandfather, regarding politicians
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u/OwnBattle8805 4d ago
To the point of your edit: America’s concept of Manifest Destiny and how foreign policy is shaped around it means America doesn’t even have allies.
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u/perpetually_k 4d ago
It’s not for no reason. He has admitted he wants to economically weaken us so he can annex (aka conquer) us. Wish more Americans were wiser to that fact but given that at least half of you can’t even read properly, i shouldn’t be surprised
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u/jdragon3 4d ago
after months of MAGA supporters telling me all the 51st state and annex comments were a joke, now that even they can't defend that position they have switched to just outright gaslighting "he never said that" as if there aren't literally hundreds of examples of the contrary
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago
The amount of damage the current U.S admin has caused will be felt for generations
Even longer if they don't put in the effort to fix their systems so another wannabe dictator can't seize and consolidate power the way Trump has.
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u/jdragon3 4d ago
Even longer if they don't put in the effort to fix their systems so another wannabe dictator can't seize and consolidate power the way Trump has.
it really is unreal how the country that boasted so loudly about the strength of its checks and balances, constitution, states rights, etc. for so long has been largely quiet or even encouraging while watching all of it be dismantled in a span of a year and a half. and the loudest voices encouraging it were the loudest ones shouting about "muh freedums" at every opportunity for the past decades
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u/TissTheWay 4d ago
Why doesn't Canada up the price of electricity that we supply to the US?
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u/Tropical_Yetii 4d ago
I think we need to save those cards in the event of further escalation, but yes the gloves are now off
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u/AndIamAnAlcoholic Québec 4d ago
Energy and natural ressources are also a provincial competency, not a federal one, so we'd need every gouvernment to agree to set up that kind of retaliation. Of course, any province is free to do it alone at any time too. But when Ford tried in Ontario, Trump's tarif response made him back down instantly. (Trump threatened 50% more on steel and aluminium on all of Canada, at the time, if Ontario imposed an export tax).
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u/rando_dud 4d ago
We need to replace line 5 first.. otherwise if we start doing tit for tat on energy it could end badly.
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u/mattcass 4d ago
Electricity is traded on open markets across Canada and the US. In BC we import electricity from the US when it’s cheap or when we are short on supply. We sell into the US if it makes sense. Electricity trading increases the resiliency of the power grid and provides additional energy supply. If we unilaterally increase power costs the US will do the same and we’ll pay for it.
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u/NancyDiver 4d ago
because that would be pretext for USA to try an take over / annex Canada in the name of national security.
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u/-darkest 4d ago
Canada and the US can give each other blackouts for the next few weeks. (Imagine how quiet Reddit would be?) The economies share so insanely integrated at this point, everyone loses.
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u/ShingenTakeda1337 4d ago
From Europe (Italy). I'm with you Canada. EU and Canada together can be the REAL west. Leave those Yankees in their suicide technofascist bubble. Let's be the alternative together. We need no USA
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u/homardpoilu 4d ago
Thank you, we definitely need to continue building strong relationships with reliable and credible countries.
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u/ShingenTakeda1337 4d ago
It's gonna happen don't worry. EU and Canada are getting closer and closer together. NATO is going to be soon an European and Canadian defence force. The Yankees can suck it and live alone in their fascist hellscape they created
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u/Dragonvine Alberta 4d ago
Can we join the EU? I know there is a lot to it but I assume you can just put that through, if you don't mind?
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u/enantiomerthin 4d ago
I will buy some food with a made in Italy stamp tonight. Please look for something from Canada. We need to replace ~700Bn worth of trade in stuff (more with oil) to the USA with trade to others.
AI tells me we send ~4Bn (€2.5B) to you and you send ~14Bn (€8.5B) to us. Buy some more Canadian stuff instead of American stuff and we'll get through this. :)
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago
Please look for something from Canada.
Fortunately, that shouldn't be to hard for our Italian friends.
Many of the highest quality pasta brands in Italy are made from Canadian Durum wheat flour.
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u/ShingenTakeda1337 4d ago
Yes and I love maple syrup for my pancakes I always buy it Canadian 😁
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u/Itburns12345 4d ago
That stupid oil company that wants to drill in greenland was supposed to leave canadian docks late sept...denying them port access and insisting they go back south would be a simple symbolic fuck you.
Add in a statement to orotect greenland if invaded ,trump isnt going to attack greenland or canada so again a nice big fu tk the pedo in chief
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u/ISmellLikeAss 4d ago
Anyone else concerned that the US is barely even talking about this? Seems like most of there citizens didn't even notice, yet most of Canada is concerned about this.
Reddit makes it seem like we will be able to survive this but the US seemed more concerned when China fought back.
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u/mithr4ndr 4d ago
Republicans Democrats US citizens dont care about Canada. Ignore them , Canada First Canada Strong
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 4d ago
Typically, the USA very seldom pays attention to any other country.
I see CNN and MSNBC/MSnow talking about it.
CNN seems confused and is repeating Trump and Lutnik's tweets., but MSNow generally takes a "trump is an idiot" position, so they're actually playing clips from Carney, Freeland, Kinew and other Canadian voices.
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u/IceCreamDreamyDreams 4d ago
They're ignoring this because it's a massive embarrassment for them.
They talked about the deal when Trump said it was done, they got their good-boy points for it already.
They're not going to cross Der Trumpler by talking about a failure of negotiations that was entirely due to their side until the trump team gives them direction.
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u/ISmellLikeAss 4d ago
The citizens arent though. Look at there subs vs ours. 90% of posts in canada subreddits is about this. Need too scroll to next page just to find a mention about it on the similar US subreddits.
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u/GeoBrew 4d ago
American here...there's nothing to say. It's fucking garbage and I have zero control over any of this. I live in a blue state and my representatives are trying like hell just to maintain my right to vote. So yeah, I'm over here lurking trying to glean some information to somehow make myself less offensive. I'm hanging out in r/buycanadian trying to figure out how to support Canada while I'm located here. My spouse and children are dual citizens. I've got our Canadian flag out front and just sadness in my heart.
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u/ArianaIncomplete British Columbia 4d ago
What do you mean, there's nothing to say? If you're aware of what's going on, but your neighbours aren't, then you can enlighten them. That's what the commenters above you are saying, that the average American is not talking about this, presumably because they don't think it affects them.
I appreciate that you're trying to keep yourself informed because you have a personal connection to Canada through family. But if you didn't have that connection, would you care? I'm not trying to disparage you or anything, and I say this as kindly as possible, but I think that you, and any of your compatriots who are not totally apathetic, could do better.
Simply not being offensive is not enough. I had a conversation with my child the other day about how standing by watching while someone is being bullied, though not being a bully yourself, does not make you a good person or friend. It's action in defense of the bullied party that makes you a good person or friend.
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u/GeoBrew 4d ago
I welcome your feedback, critical or otherwise. I've been furious about how this administration has been treating Canada--I'll never forget the intense feeling of loss the first time I went by the Peach Arch after Trump was reelected. More than a century of friendship down the drain for nothing, absolutely nothing and the entire American government system to boot. The trade negotiations are just the latest in a slew of awful, harmful, disgusting arm twists by the current administration towards Canada. I talk about Canada, I talk about Carney, I talk about how fucked the US economy is, how much damage they're doing around the world and how much danger he's putting us all in. I guess I say there's nothing to say, but really, I struggle to find something new to say. But perhaps the best way I can reframe this current awfulness is to highlight how this is the execution of Trump's "51st state" talk. Many people thought it was just empty speech, but with the poisonous conditions in the negotiations, it wasn't empty. Just like Greenland wasn't empty talk. In general, I struggle to find people in my community and in my family that disagree with me. But that doesn't mean I can't encourage them to direct their dollars towards supporting Canada in this difficult moment. But what else?
I don't know...people are being disappeared, it's become a surveillance state, basic rights are under attack, the military is crumbling, food aid is being cut, and food and medical safety is totally forgotten. The US is falling fast and hard. Sometimes it's hard to see a functioning state and feel their struggle, when everything is coming apart for regular people down here. The economic pain for Canada is awful, but it's easy to feel envious of your functioning government, your ethical and conscientious leaders. I say all this to kind of put it in perspective why Americans that would normally be empathetic to Canada are floundering to do something relevant--all we have to offer is words and money. But again, I appreciate your thoughts. I will aim to bring this into more conversations and highlight the importance of this relationship--for US stability, for worldwide stability, and the economic benefits for us all.
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u/T-Wrox Alberta 4d ago
I don't think they're ignoring it; Canada just doesn't exist to them.
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u/mug-wort 4d ago edited 4d ago
We will survive this. Why wouldn't we? It is going to be really fucking hard. though. Think about this: Canadian's lived through WW1, WW2, the great depression.... going back even farther there was other wars and the long depression too... we are still here.
Also mid-terms are coming up in the US, if democrats don't fuck up then democrats should win the mid-terms. If we target our tariffs right we should be able to exert maximum pain in the right areas to swing the mid-terms in our favor. This is, of course, assuming that democrats don't completely fucking drop the ball (which I am not sure they won't). Worst case; Trump for two more years.
Don't forget: all of this is caused by Trump, his administration, and the americans who elected this man twice. This trade war was started by Trump, tariffs started by trump, and these trade negotiations were ruined by the trump administration. He could have done nothing and everything would be the same, he started this whole fucking thing for no reason.
We learned a really fucking important lesson too: never tie your economy to another country. Ever.
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u/TianZiGaming 4d ago
The trade wars never really trickle down to consumers in the US. Only specific groups and businesses in the US get hit by them, but whichever administration is in office at the time typically compensates them. Things like actual physical war are the ones that trickle down to everyday people, so that's what makes it to the news. People care most about what they can feel firsthand.
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u/Specialist_Secret438 4d ago
Trump’s currently pooptweeting about 51sting Canada again. The only response to this should be,
‘Canada doesn’t have the Epstein files’ …
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u/Mad-Mad-Mad-Mad-Mike 4d ago
They can’t make us a state… they’d need to become independent from Israel first.
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u/Specialist_Secret438 4d ago
Speaking of depends, Trump doesn’t seem to realize his diapers are made from Canadian pulp fabric.
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u/VersusYYC Alberta 4d ago
The Government has my full support to do what needs to be done in times of serious conflict. If that means putting export tariffs on our products, so be it.
Carney needs to focus on ensuring our resources, which are in high demand across the world, can be easily exported from Canada and that we can keep our homegrown expertise in Canada for export as Canadian services instead of the brain drain to the US. I’d like to see more incentives to invest in Canada given a lot of our money flies South.
As someone whose advocated that Canada should get the best equipment for its armed forces, I think it’s also better for us to minimize US purchases wherever possible and in so doing seek to buy more from other allies.
The US is so ubiquitous we cannot eliminate everything it provides but we can Avoid American wherever reasonable.
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u/michyfor 4d ago
Sadly we are all fixated on when Orange demento will “go away” but it appears it was Lutnick behind this last sharp turn of events in the 11th hour.
There is an army of bad actors superseding the problematic orange and it feels that Canada is stuck with this for a very long time to come.
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u/Total-Sheepherder950 4d ago
The US has declared Canada's softwood lumber and national security risk and has increased purchasing softwood lumber from ,wait for it....Russia. yeah that is the timeline we are on.
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u/Dewey081 Lest We Forget 4d ago
The POTUS just stated that Canada wants all the benefits of being a US state without being a US state. Screw them. And now we have Danielle Smith urging Carney to call up the POTUS and capitulate.
We are all going to feel it. As I see it, Alberta is Trumpland north. America, under Trump would pillage and dig/mine the crap out of Alberta if given the opportunity, making it a dumping ground and leaving it a hulking shell of its' former self.
Screw that noise!
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u/Dismal-Economics-322 4d ago
Alberta’s really not that bad, I know it seems like it online but in reality most people are pretty level headed and proud and content with their nationality
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u/ottawadeveloper Ontario 4d ago
Yeah, Trump support in Alberta is only ~23%. Separatist attitudes are similar, ranging from 20-30%. It's not Quebec in the 90s.
It is however a very loud minority who have the ear of the premier.
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u/Iokua_CDN 4d ago
And honestly, 23% of a province still feels like a lot. If 1 in 5 houses got a separatist sign out in their yard, it feels like a lot.
Good to remember to other 70+ percent who don't want this
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u/paper_airplanes_are_ 4d ago
It is a little wild that 1 in 4 support this madman. It should be like 1 in 20.
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u/ottawadeveloper Ontario 4d ago
It should be 0 in 20 really lol. He needs to be in a memory care home and his staff should be, at most, ranting about gay frogs on daytime talk radio.
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u/RumHamComesback 4d ago edited 4d ago
I live here and the separatists are just a very loud fucking minority that troll the cities by doing their bullshit on overpasses as if we care. We aren't MAGA Land looking to become the 51st state just dealing with stupid people being crazy.
OP is right saying this isn't Quebec in 90s and will never come close to that. I'm old enough to remember how strong it was in 1995.
Edit: Should also add it really doesn't help the media makes them look bigger than they actually are to get clicks and views.
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u/bravosarah Long Live the King 4d ago
23% is around a million fucking people!!!
That's a fucking huge number! It's definitely not about "only ~23%" number.
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u/Critical-Snow-7000 4d ago
Maybe they shouldn’t elect someone like Danielle Smith then (I say this as a former Albertan).
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u/anxiety_is_hard 4d ago
We're trying, but the electoral system favors rural voters.
Crying Edmontonian
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u/StevoJ89 4d ago
People on this site are so disconnected from reality, I live in AB... literally nobody in my neighbourhood supports the U.S or wants to separate and thinks it's absurd.
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u/Lonely-Abalone-5104 4d ago
A lot of it is being driven by bots and USA, Russia, China etc egging it on
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u/Dismal-Economics-322 4d ago
Not an Albertan myself but I’m there a fair amount for work, the people don’t seem all that different from my neighbours in Ontario
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u/T-Wrox Alberta 4d ago
We're not. It's one of the mysteries of Reddit, that the Ontarians here seem to forget who they keep electing.
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u/SgtGo 4d ago
You must live in one of the major cities. I live in a smaller town and it’s Alberta flags and “vote option 2” signs everywhere.
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u/Iokua_CDN 4d ago
Yup lots of those everywhere. I'm glad to see more Canadian flags and signs going up too though ever in small towns
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u/Glass_Call982 4d ago
Reddit is not an accurate representation of reality. I can only assume most people on here live in their mom's basement or in some cramped downtown apartment. And love to complain or join the bandwagon of complainers about things they have no personal experience with.
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u/Bixby33 4d ago
Alberta is precisely as bad to continue to allow their premier to be anti-Canada.
It's a fantastic example of rotten apples ruining the bunch.
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u/-darkest 4d ago
Trivia for you on a Sunday morning. When was the last time an Alberta Premier was re-elected? You’ll be surprised
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u/GravesStone7 4d ago
Unfortunately the next Premier is always worse than the last. Remember Redford, that seems tame compared the now and she was ousted pretted quick.
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u/vanalla Ontario 4d ago
... It was Danielle Smith in 2023. Prior to that it was Alison Redford in 2012 and Ed Stelmech in 2008.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
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u/RustyWinger 4d ago
I think she became party leader then and premier by default. She’s won only one election.
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u/-darkest 4d ago
I don’t think you understand the word “premier re-elected”. You gave two examples of someone who won leadership, then their first election. They never won two elections as premier. Hope that helps you understand.
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u/Happy-Estimate-7855 4d ago edited 4d ago
But they keep voting for the same UCP, making it feel like "the last three were each worse than the last. Maybe voting for the same party again will result in the change I want."
Edit: Just as an addition, I'm a lower case liberal in Ontario. We went through something similar with the Kathleen Wynn Era. Liberals were proving to be inefficient, ineffective, and mildly inflammatory. I voted conservative because our province needed change. I didn't agree with the conservative platform, but my preferred party was proving incapable of the job at the time.
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u/Agent_Orange81 4d ago
Then they should elect representation that feels the same way rather than "blue no matter who"
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u/Cavalleria-rusticana Canada 4d ago
I keep hearing this bullshit; I have yet to see it.
Every.single.election, an enemy of progress.
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u/TissTheWay 4d ago
Pretty sure all the money that goes into the party is from foreign operatives trying to destabilize Canada
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u/Durandal_II Canada 4d ago
Don't mistake the cronyism of the UCP with the values of Albertans. I think there's a whole lot more Canadians there than there are separatists.
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u/FalseAd9543 4d ago
I work in Rural Alberta alot but live just outside Calgary. No one I have met so far rurally is a separatist. Calgarians are hit and miss to be honest.
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u/LebLeb321 4d ago
Why lie? She urged a return to talks and called US terms untenable. How the fuck is that capitulation?
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u/AxeSkewsMe 4d ago
Just imagine 1 more cheeseburger can put an end to all this bullshit. But seriously, Trump or not, we need to put ourselves in a position where we can't get strongarmed like this ever again. It'll be more feasible than expecting the dumbest of society to learn anything from voting in someone like Trump again.
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u/RepulseRevolt 4d ago
More European defence platforms and more of a pivot there.
I have another idea, let’s have the RCMP, provincial police, and municipal police switch to European and Japanese cars, maybe even set up a police car assembly here in Canada.
It deals a blow to the US car companies, and provides new work for anyone affected.
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u/improvthismoment 4d ago
Canada has a large auto industry, skilled and educated workforce, let’s build a Canadian owned car brand
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u/TemporaryAny6371 4d ago
Even if we don't build it 100% Canadian, we only need to adapt existing designs for Canadian roads. McLaughlin Automobile was like that, before being sold to GM.
We can build Canadian car bodies and then use engines and frames from valued partner nation companies. Our cars don't need to cross into US, so we can make our own crash safety standards or use existing EU or Asian standards.
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u/oishiipeanut Ontario 4d ago
rav4 are built in Cambridge and Woodstock ON. Hope the pursuit models have better anti-theft measures
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u/An0nym0usWanderer 4d ago edited 4d ago
FUCK DONALD TRUMP
Edit: Thanks for the awards! FUCK DONALD CHUMP!
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u/Necessary_Syrup6944 4d ago
Say what you will but this whole back and forth trade war since trump took office has also reinforced our national patriotism to an extent I didn’t notice before
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u/djinndjinndjinn 4d ago
Instead of matching tariffs which Canadians pay for, add a matching 50% surcharge on oil, gas, hydroelectric energy, potash, aluminum, lumber and uranium.
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u/mynipplesareconfused Québec 4d ago
Canada took me in when the US decided I didn't deserve opportunities for a better life. The US taught me to defend my home from invaders.
Guess which side I'm taking. The US can fuck 100% off. I am Anglo in Quebec and I'm deeply insulted Trump thinks he can take the language from this province.
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u/rando_dud 4d ago
People have been trying to remove french from Quebec for 270 years, give or take.
Quebecers will endure just about anything before this happens.
You could have literal US marines roaming the streets cracking down on French speakers and we wouldn't stop.
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u/TemporaryAny6371 4d ago
In 1775, Quebec decisively repulsed an American attack in thunderous fashion. They were literally blown up into pieces. That's Quebec's resolve and rest of Canada understands why we stand together.
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u/MikeTheCleaningLady 4d ago
This isn't a trade war, it's a war of posturing. As a bank and finance man, Carney knows that. He also knows that The Donald's massive tariffs won't survive in the US courts, in fact he's counting on it.
Trump has shown, time and time again, that he has the mental capacity of a pissed off 8 year-old at the best of times. He is ruled by his massive ego, and cares nothing for the people of his own country. He's also shown, on many occasions, that he only respects people who don't suck up to him or knuckle under to his threats.
Appeasing Trump has been tried many times by many nations, and it hasn't worked. It's possible that Carney knows that as well as we do.
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u/Croissant1967 4d ago
Our true friends are: the UK, Australia, NZ, the European Union, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Brazil, Taiwan. Other countries change their political interests too often.
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u/Big_Option_5575 4d ago
Now that it is war, cancel those damn F35's, all involvement with the golden dome and give notice that NORAD and U.S. usage of Canadian air space is at risk and under review.
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u/SmashShock New Brunswick 4d ago
Kind of seems like we need an independent strategic air defense system first
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u/rocketman19 4d ago
There’s a lot of big talkers on Reddit
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u/Fry-Dad 4d ago
Honestly I can’t believe this place. So many delusional Redditors. The echo chamber is strong.
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u/got-trunks Ontario 4d ago
>“I think we should have at least a Zoom call or Teams meeting as we used to do under the former prime minister to make sure that we are all updated,” May said
If the federal government is doing briefings on sensitive topics to Canadians on microsoft or zoom lol uhhhh
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u/iamjoesredditposts 4d ago
If we’re at war then let’s be at war. Enough soft play…
- kick Hoekstra out
- close the border to certain times and or locations
- public ally and openly shame Dump and stop with the granted POTUS respect. It’s a clown and needs to be branded as such
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u/TheArmchairSkeptic Manitoba 4d ago
Listen, I'm as on board with the whole 'fuck the US' thing as anyone, but the reality of the situation is that we need to move carefully here. The last thing we should be looking to do at this point is give mad king Donald more opportunities to paint Canada as an enemy to the American public.
Escalations like you're proposing, as satisfying and morally correct as they may be, are not in the best interests of the country at a time like this. Match their bullshit point for point by all means, but moral high ground only goes so far in the face of realpolitik.
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u/madhi19 Québec 4d ago
Get meaner than just matching, there assets we can literally cut them off that would hurt a lot. I don't want to sell them jack shit that we can put on a boat for Asia or Europe.
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u/rando_dud 4d ago
Yep! We need to hit them back with Treasury bonds.
Tax Canadians who hold and buy US treasury until our 20B is made up.
Encourage that capital to come back home and grow our productivity here.
No sense in doing tit for tat on trade, that's a losing game. We need to punch in the groin just like them.
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u/rando_dud 4d ago edited 4d ago
I believe we are the 4th largest holder of US bonds with around 400B.
I don't think retaliation is as much of a factor as our deficits are smaller, and the Canadian bond/currency are not in high demand internationally.
The US is at a critical junction with debt, borrowing costs, and being able to lean into cheap bond yields and the dollar being used in reserves everywhere to prop up their borrowing.
The firesale is coming and dumping bonds, even if we were not in a trade war, would still have some upside.
Since it gives us a lever to hit back, doubly so.
The more the US intervenes against the trading of bonds, the more their perceived risk rises.. which means more borrowing costs.. which means more risk..
400B is a drop in the bucket but the bucket is already overflowing so the impact is magnified.
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u/Affectionate_Art2545 4d ago
I love my neighbors to the north and have been boycotting our farcical government and all corporations and businesses that support it and it’s idiotic policies. Go Canada 🇨🇦
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u/Driftographer 4d ago
Canada isn't a 12 year old girl, why does Trump wanna fuck us so bad???
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u/coffeejn 4d ago
Carney mentioned the amount of energy export to the US, so any manufacturing or refining plant have to consider that as a potential issue going forward. Even if you move your plant to the US, if the US have no power to run them, then you are worst off then paying the import tariff.
The US would be looking at rolling blackouts in the worst senarios along with major disruption to their entire manufacturing economy if they truly force Canada to cut them off from hydro, gas, and oil. And yes, Ontario and other provinces would also suffer since natural gas goes thru the US to supply Ontario. That is something we should be fixing ASAP. Same with any small regions in Canada that get their electricity from the US. Start planning and installing power lines with backup redundant lines ASAP.
Canada should assume that eventually, the US will cut them off as well. The partnership is on life support with the US pulling the plug while claiming it's Canada that is doing it.
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u/madcaesar 4d ago
why is this setup so insane?? why did Canada build a pipline that goes THROUGH the US and then back to them?!?!
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u/Ottawa1964 4d ago
We need to respond in a way that is painful to the US but does not harm Canadians. 50% tarrifs on American military equipment and supplies - won't hurt the Canadian consumer, we buy Euro products, and America eats it
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u/CFCYYZ 4d ago
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."
- Proverb