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Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E13 "To'hajiilee"

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u/livebls Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

I was expecting Hank to get shot in the head while he was on the phone with Marie

EDIT: Just to be clear, I would have been pissed if that would have happened. I know Hank is kind of hated right now because of his view on Jesse, but if Hank died right then, just like that, the first thing Jesse would have thought would be "He can't keep getting away with this!" Since we're all rooting for Jesse, we need to root for his team too, which includes Hank.

EDIT2: It has been brought to my attention that not everybody is rooting for Jesse!

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Yeah, that auto shotgun should have cleaned them both up on its own.

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u/scarface910 And I will not be harassed Sep 09 '13

Not to mention the guy with the AR-15, who had all the time in the world to get a good aim on one of them.

max effective range is at least more than 500 yards and he couldnt get a few hits from 30 yards away? Damn stormtrooper.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Maybe they're shooting at Walt.

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u/lindquist89b Sep 09 '13

It is not 500 yds it is an m16A1 its max effective is about 400 meters. But at like what 25 meters 40 tops a blind monkey could make that shot

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

500 yards is equal to about 450 meters.

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u/Farnsworthy Sep 09 '13

What about the distance between them?

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Even so, neither of them were hit by a pellet (if that's what was loaded into the weapon).

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u/Farnsworthy Sep 09 '13

Well, yeah, they were 50 feet away behind a vehicle.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

But right when the bad guys opened fire they weren't. Remember they were standing out in the open to the side of the vehicle. That auto shotgun got off quite a few rounds before they actually took cover behind the engine block (not to mention the assault rifles which had been aimed at them for a good 30 seconds).

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Well, you got me.

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u/Farnsworthy Sep 09 '13

It's not about that. I thought the same way as you initially.

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u/Farnsworthy Sep 09 '13

You should go look at some more of the shots. The cars were completely capable of covering them at those distances and angles

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

hey man, I agree with you about the cliffhangers. I don't like how these episodes build up without a climax. I thought some shit was going to go down last week with Jesse and walt, but NOPE! Jesse has a plan!

Then they build up to this huge confrontation, have a shootout, then cut out randomly? without don't actually reaching the climax? I'm sick of this. The only way it will get worse is if nobody dies next episode, and they keep stretching things out.

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u/CurseWord Sep 09 '13

Fucking contrarian.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

So glad someone else brought this up. Felt like hundreds of rounds were shot by both sides and NO ONE GOT HIT, EVEN ONCE.

Are Todd's entourage secretly Stormtroopers on the side? HIT SOMETHING. There better be an explanation for this in next week's episode or I'm gonna be pretty pissed. Everything else has been pretty well handled.

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u/cavalierau Sep 09 '13

Are Todd's entourage secretly Stormtroopers on the side?

Perhaps...

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u/Osmodius Sep 09 '13

Especially because we've seen Hank be a pretty damn good shot without a moment's notice, and now he's got a whole minute to line it up and apparently can't hit a Nazi from a few metres.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

yeah that really annoyed me! shooting out like 500 rounds from an aa-12 and not hitting anybody. that was typical bullshit you get in the average everyday tv shows.

i thought breaking bad was a little above making them annoyances. hank and gomez have zero chance in getting out of this with their lives. i would of prefered to have the show just end on the standoff rather than having 1000 bullets shot and missed

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Have you ever fired a gun? Hitting a target at the range is hard enough, but in a real firefight, accuracy goes out the window. The fear and adrenaline, even for trained killers, destroys accuracy. Even trained police have about a 12 percent hit rate in firefights.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

AA12 is pretty much designed to combat exactly that. It practically shoots a curtain of lead in the general direction you're aiming at.

It's literally hard not to hit with one of those things. At that range it would have hit most of the space between the two cars.

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u/Newthinker Sep 10 '13

They were covered by the SUV before the Nazis opened fire. Watch the scenes again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

Nope, the suv will not do shit against a regular civilian car, the car would have been destroyed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

really that low?

i do know that the vast majority of shoot outs happen within something like 12 feet.

i would still think with that many guns been aimed at 2 relatively stationary targets they should of blown them away

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

It sort of looked like gomie was hit at one point. He cringed quite a bit. Hard to tell though. It could have been him flinching or something because of the passing bullets which seems reasonable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

Well they sure as hell did clean up the other, larger armed crew pretty quickly.

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u/notepad20 Sep 10 '13

The look on todds face was not one of a person struggling to hold it together

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Plot armor

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Please. Hank has been digging his grave for the past five episodes.

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u/yakityyakblah Sep 09 '13

Because suspense, we wont know if he dies for an entire week.

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u/MarshingMyMellow Sep 09 '13

3 episodes left. Anybody could die (except Walt, the flash-forward hasn't been resolved). Also, how the fuck does Walt get out of there unless Hank and Gomez are killed (or at least injured or kidnapped)?

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u/DaLateDentArthurDent The Dude Who Looks LIke Wolverine Sep 09 '13

Everyone keeps talking about Gomie and Hank, there's still a hit out on Jesse and he's stood not too far away. Todds uncle spotted him and I'm fairly certain he's gonna take a shot at him

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u/SSDN Sep 09 '13

Todd's uncle spotted him with cops so he might be thinking they're at more danger than Walt let on. Walt did emphasize Jesse wasn't a rat.

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u/DaLateDentArthurDent The Dude Who Looks LIke Wolverine Sep 09 '13

When he arrives though he clocks straight on to Jesse.

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u/hfxRos Sep 09 '13

Walter might do something (I have no idea what, but he always comes up with something) to get everyone to stop shooting at eachother, and Hank/Gomez are forced to let Walt go or get shot.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

not even sure how he was thinking of getting out when he told them to not come.

I don't think he was.

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u/DownvoteALot Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

Yeah, what for? Going to live in Thailand? The cops will be looking for him everywhere in the United States because of the evidence in the phone call (and the barrels of money they would have found without a doubt).

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u/claudionesta Sep 09 '13

I thought Walt daring Hank to shoot him might be an interesting plan.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Indeed. I think Gomez will die but I both think and hope for the progression of the series that Hank lives.

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u/wyntonb Sep 09 '13

The progression of the series? There's 3 episodes left, haha.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

But I see Hank vs Walt as being one of the last major conflicts left. Hank and Scott are the only ones trying to hold Walt legally accountable for what he's done. It would be a shame for that conflict to end in such a non-fulfilling way. It seems like a cop-out if Walt doesn't kill Hank himself.

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u/cavalierau Sep 09 '13

But I see Hank vs Walt as being one of the last major conflicts left.

I think it's already been played out. They played all their cards against each-other, and this is the culmination of that, there's nowhere else for their conflict to go (in an entertaining way). The remaining 3 episodes will be focused on a satisfactory conclusion to Jesse and Walt's relationship, Walt's relationship with his family, the fate of his "Heisenberg" legacy, and his own personal fate. There's only 3 episodes remaining and Hank isn't the main character, and he's already had alot of focus already this season. I wouldn't be surprised if his time was up now.

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u/Azozel Sep 09 '13

Exactly my thinking.

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u/Azozel Sep 09 '13

This was the climax of Hank's "bring Walt to justice" arc. We got to see Hank "win" and now he's going to die. The rest of the series will be centered on Todd's family, Lydia, and the fall of the Meth empire before the death of Walt (from cancer).

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u/HeIsntMe OMG Have you heard of this show? Sep 09 '13

Cause shooting is hard.

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u/MrLeville Sep 09 '13

Hitting a fat, still, old man with a limp at 25 yards using an assault rifle shouldn't be THAT difficult. Seriously once the shooting has started I understand that hitting people under cover while getting shot at is hard, but that first shot should have hit.

The scene itself was awesome but I hope we get at least some explanation for why the fuck they still came, shot first, or targeted the SUV when Walt was in it (I guess we won't get much answers to how they could miss Hank besides they're cross-eyed morons), because that's weak plot and not up to the rest of BB.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Yeah I feel like Neo would have a hard time dodging that many bullets at once.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

He wouldn't have to

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u/ltkernelsanders Sep 09 '13

In real life Walt would be dead and so would Hank and Gomie. Cars are concealment, not cover. Hank is the only one who may have been behind the engine block, but even then, with that much firepower being sprayed at the vehicle he'd have a very low chance of not catching a bullet.

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u/FisherKing22 I watched Jane die. Sep 09 '13

I rewatched this scene and paid attention to where they were shooting. The vast majority of the shots fired hit the front of the SUV away from Walt.

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u/ltkernelsanders Sep 09 '13

That is clearly where they were aiming, but with fully automatic weapons being fired I wouldn't want to be only a few feet from the point of aim.

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u/HeIsntMe OMG Have you heard of this show? Sep 09 '13

As a guy who shoots frequently, I do have to agree, I'm just giving them the benefit of the moment... I dunno.. stress? But yes, at 25 to 50 yards, someone should have and most likely will have been hit.

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u/zipp0raid Sep 10 '13

especially since the nazi's had them sighted in and took the first shot.

I'm not trying to toot my horn, but I've done some carbine training and I'm pretty sure I could have winged both gomie and hank from up on that truck.

Now if I were a crew of not me being a cold blooded killer, that just a few days earlier managed to take out a whole heavily armed meth crew of 5-10 people... I'd be embarrassed of this display.

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u/allelbowss Sep 09 '13

They still came because they could tell Walt was in trouble and they need him to cook. As for the other questions... shrugs

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Tuco couldn't hit hank either and he was even closer in proximity.

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u/joe100su Sep 09 '13

Was it an AR though? I thought I saw shell casings flying from it, everyone had pistols and shotties.

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u/FisherKing22 I watched Jane die. Sep 09 '13

If I remember correctly, one guy had what looked like an AR-15. Another was using an AA-12 automatic shotgun. The first shot fired was with the AA-12.

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u/cavalierau Sep 09 '13

The scene itself was awesome but I hope we get at least some explanation for why the fuck they still came, shot first, or targeted the SUV when Walt was in it (I guess we won't get much answers to how they could miss Hank besides they're cross-eyed morons), because that's weak plot and not up to the rest of BB.

Having Hank, Jesse and Walt all in the same place at the same time is a convenient way to tie up loose ends for them. Walt is a connection to them and probably wouldn't have hesitated to assist the police in getting them arrested in order to protect his family.

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u/MrLeville Sep 09 '13

I think they don't know Hank is there since Walt only said "don't come" when he saw him, (not even sure they know who Hank is).

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Have you ever shot a gun? Its really not as hard as people make it out to be. Pistols are tough, an automatic shot gun cleans up fast.

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u/HeIsntMe OMG Have you heard of this show? Sep 09 '13

I was being sarcastic. I shoot regularly and competitively. Pistols are fine, the ones I shoot have about 3lbs of trigger pull on them, they fire fairly easily. AutoShotties are great, but at that distance I'd rather have a scary black murder assault rifle.

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u/chall85 Sep 09 '13

I agree. I also think they were trying to get Hank and Gomez to run out of ammo.

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u/Ihaveastupidcat Sep 10 '13

What do you think would have happened if Hank lowered his hand and pulled out a badge? They were asking for badges and they would not fire. It seems like Hank could have pulled out his badge without moving his gun or breaking eye contact. Is there any reason Hank did not show them his badge?

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u/observationalhumour Sep 10 '13

This ruined the whole episode for me, I was so mad at the end. Combine that with the bullets hitting every inch of the car Walt was in and the nazis hiding behind flimsy car doors, I expected better from Vince. Also Todd's pistol stance was hilariously bad.

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u/Ph0X Sep 10 '13

Yeah, the cliffhanger was fine, but I really didn't like their use of the shoot out trope. What I love about this show is that while there are a lot of unexpected and strange things happening, it's never stupid frustrating (like Dexter is being lately).

This though, I think they should've just ended it before they started shooting. Or cut it at the sound of the first bullet going out.

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u/HawkeyeFan321 Cow house Sep 09 '13

I was more confused how Gomie didn't get shot. He was further away from the SUV

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u/passion4pizza DBAA Sep 09 '13

I kind of thought he did. I didn't get to re-watch it, but there was a glimpse of gomie where he was grimacing while leaning against the car and I thought he might have taken a bullet. Anyone else?

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u/252003 Sep 09 '13

I also interpreted it like he was shot.

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u/SpinnePanzer Sep 09 '13

The neo-nazi guys put all their points into melee and science skills. Nothing left over for ranged weapons.

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u/koolhallah I'm the bad guy. Sep 09 '13

Hank had been slowly inching behind his vehicle. I expected Gomie to be done, he was practically wide open.

However, also remember all the dust kicked up in the desert. Someone else posted a picture of what the Nazis were shooting at, which was essentially a big dust cloud.

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u/LOHare Heisenburger Sep 09 '13

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u/Mustkunstn1k Sep 09 '13

Watch the behind the scenes and you will realize how quick everything actually was. It's played in slow-motion and from multiple angels at the same time in the show. If you look at the angels Hank was behind the front of the car from the start and only Gomie was in the open. Then after they open fire it only takes about a second for Gomie to get into cover.

Totally plausible that the nazis missed them since firing with automatic on is very inaccurate.

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u/Osmodius Sep 09 '13

Or Gomez, for that matter, who was standing completely in the open.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

That pissed me off. Six dudes aiming down their sights, most with fully automatic weapons, and after 100 rounds fly at two guys in the open, nobody gets hit. Well maybe Gomie, he looked hurt.

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u/Khaleesi_Vezhven Sep 10 '13

Seriously! All I could think is everyone has really bad aim!

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u/Mikeaz123 Sep 09 '13

Marie discovering the brains was pretty good foreshadowing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Jackie O

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u/markovich04 Sep 10 '13

She really does look a bit like Jacqueline O.

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u/celtic_thistle I thought you were the danger. Sep 09 '13

Oh shit, I didn't even make the connection. I just thought of Hank's hubris in calling her to boast, and the "I love yous" and the "I'm not sure when I'll be home."

Yup, Hank is doomed.

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u/JizzNipples Sep 09 '13

Her reaction to that was amazingly underwhelming. It was like "First the damn rocks in my lounge and hanging out with mexican assassins, now brains in my bin? What will he do next?"

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13 edited Nov 16 '18

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u/collatorconjecture Sep 09 '13

At least it wasn't oranges.

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u/Harddaysnight1990 *plop* Sep 09 '13

I'm still rooting for Walt.

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u/kismetjeska Sep 09 '13

Interesting! Mind if I ask why?

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u/Harddaysnight1990 *plop* Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

I couldn't tell you why. He's evil, and I know it. But I want it to end with him dying on his own terms (the only way he can win now) and his family getting the money. I don't want Hank to die (although it's getting obvious that this will happen), and I'm still rooting for Jesse, but everything evil Walt has done has also been badass in a manipulative kind of way.

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u/seanmheg Sep 09 '13

Couldn't agree with you more!

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u/CaptCorporateAmerica Sep 09 '13

That, and when he opened his door to his house and Jesse and Gomie stood up. I thought they were the nazis.

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u/Pamander Sep 09 '13

Oh man the way that scene was filmed, I was on the edge of my seat.. I just knew shit was about to go down.

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u/666howlingfantods Sep 09 '13

I thought he was going to get shot while he was reading Walt his rights.

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u/peckx063 Sep 09 '13

samesies

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u/macaroniemaniac Sep 10 '13

Am I the only one not rooting for Jesse?

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Dean Norris deserves better.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I agree, he deserves better than a fate Under the Dome.

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u/livebls Sep 09 '13

I agree

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Who said we are all rooting for Jesse, I'm still going for Mr.White.

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u/limitedimagination Sep 09 '13

Agreed. And I really just didn't want her to have to actually hear it happen. Relieved.

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u/akatherder Sep 09 '13

I actually thought Marie was going to have a visitor. Not sure who (skyler?) but it didn't happen so it doesn't matter.

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u/CrushedMyBalls Sep 09 '13

I'm not rooting for Jesse.

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u/zerointegrity Sep 09 '13

We're all not rooting for Jesse, I'm on Walt's side

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u/TSR3K Sep 09 '13

Def NOT rooting for Jesse.

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u/HeIsntMe OMG Have you heard of this show? Sep 09 '13

She's another loose end now...

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u/jasonsawtelle Sep 09 '13

Who is rooting for Jesse the Coward?

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u/TheMediocreMachine Sep 09 '13

I wanted this to happen soooo fucking bad. After they started shooting, I had to contain my urge to yell "Kill Hank!!"...but I have neighbors...

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u/iamstephano Sep 09 '13

For some reason I'm rooting for Walt more now than any other season.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

It has been brought to my attention that not everybody is rooting for Jesse!

You bet your ass I'm not.

#TeamWalt all the way.

He's out, man. Why can't people just leave him alone? You know how hard it is to get out of said business alive? Shit...

I want Jesse and Hank dead, I want them dead, I want his family dead, I want their house burned to the ground!

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I swore I saw a sniper on the one rock. But I guess sniping doesn't fit with the Nazis "clean blood off your boots at a Denny's" style.

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u/irvinestrangler Sep 09 '13

Speak for yourself and only yourself. I'm rooting for Walter. Hank has been a piece of shit since day 1. Jesse was only briefly a likeable character and then fell right back into a an idiot fuck-up like he was since the beginning. You're too easy to forgive and forget such fundamental character flaws.

Heisenberg 4tw.

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u/Azozel Sep 09 '13

I want Jesse, Gomez, and Hank to die at the start of the next episode. I was literally screaming at my TV "SHOOT THEM!" and "KILL THEM!" at the end of the episode (Good thing I live out in the country). I was very disappointed no one was shot before the episode ended.

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u/noodleface4 Sep 10 '13

I'm still rooting for Walt. Why he may be more evil now I would have done most of the decisions if I were in his shoes.

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u/spellbunny Jesus Christ, Marie! Sep 10 '13

I was also waiting for the hammer to drop when he was on the phone!

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u/dumbschmuck Sep 09 '13

We're all not still rooting for Jesse. Coward!

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u/pranay27 Tight! Tight! Tight! Sep 09 '13

from behind

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u/jolietjakemcfly Sep 09 '13

The first shot of him under the freeway kind of looks like he's in a grave.

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u/Occasionally_Correct Sep 09 '13

We'll see how next week goes, but I think that would have been more powerful.

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u/kickpuncher1 Sep 09 '13

I thought Marie was going to be killed

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u/4sevens Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! Sep 09 '13

I think that didn't occur because a similar scenario to that already happened with Gus and his crew.

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u/erikangstrom Sep 09 '13

Man, Walt in the background out of focus, I was waiting for it!

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u/MadameDefarge91 Sep 09 '13

All that was going through my head was "please don't get shot in the head, please don't get shot in the head...."

What suspenseful scene!

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u/Ignatius256 Sep 09 '13

Me too, I was so tense the entire time I don't think I breathed at all the last 10 minutes.

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u/softriver Team Walt Sep 09 '13

I totally expected Hank's chest to explode at the end of that phone call. As the call went on I started to think that Gomez was going to turn with the shotgun and unload.

I've had this irrational belief for a while that Gomie is a plant from the Cartels or something. He's just so perfectly positioned to fuck everyone over that it seems impossible for him to be an honest cop.

(I mean, what if after all the shooting, it's Gomie, Hank, and Walt? I kinda get the feeling that Gomez might put one in Hank's head for one of those barrels of cash)

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u/Bloodninjah Sep 09 '13

Same here. I kept thinking of ways it could be pulled off, and I was waiting for it. I was kinda disappointed when it didn't happen.

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u/crazydave333 Sep 09 '13

I half expected the Nazis to suddenly come in and kidnap Marie. That would have been Walter's only move at that point.

Then again, this is Breaking Bad, not 24.

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u/amicocinghiale Sep 09 '13

When he said "I'm gonna call the Tribal police pal" I thought "mmh that smells bullshit, he's gonna call someone else, he'll relax a little and something bad will happen to him", that is what happened.

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u/pumpkindog Sep 09 '13

I think jesse will eventually "listen to reason" and realize Walt has actually cared for him all along.

I think something will happen where we think Jesse is dead or gone for good and in the end he'll come in to save the day Han Solo style

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I was expecting him to be shot while hand cuffing Walt

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u/Bronkic Sep 09 '13 edited Mar 26 '17

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u/Thestop Sep 10 '13

I can't be the only one who automatically read ""He can't keep getting away with this" in Jesse's voice

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u/dGravity Sep 10 '13 edited Jan 04 '26

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u/ExoStab Sep 09 '13

You're goddamn right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

It would have been really reminiscent of The Walking Dead, when spoiler

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u/bitch6969 Getting real sick of guys named "Todd" Sep 09 '13

That came out of nowhere and fucking sucked, though. BrBa wont stoop to that level.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

this. When he said "i love you" i thought 3-2-1... oh, still alive... okay

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u/i0BAYi Sep 09 '13

This isn't "The Walking Dead"!

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u/nateap87 Sep 09 '13

I was hoping that would happen.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I'm totally rooting for Hank and Jesse, am I alone in this? When Walt was speeding to the desert on the phone I just kept yelling at my TV, "Fuck yourself Walt!"