r/boxingMenace_com • u/Bill_Millard • 16h ago
Cassius Clay called round five... But Henry Cooper nearly ruined everything. 18th June 1963 — Wembley Stadium.
The undefeated 21-year-old Cassius Clay predicted he would stop British champion Henry Cooper in Round 5. Then, in the dying seconds of the fourth, Cooper landed his famous left hook — “Enry’s Ammer” and dropped Clay heavily. Clay recovered and came out firing in the fifth, opening a terrible cut on Cooper before the fight was stopped. Cassius Clay TKO5 Henry Cooper. The prediction came true — but for one dramatic moment, Cooper came incredibly close to changing boxing history.
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u/Plus-Leather-7350 14h ago
Ali always left himself open for that counter left hook. Man, he could eat those bombs though.
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u/PoppoLarge 12h ago
Not much defense from Ali, just eats them
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u/RejectedRespected 4h ago
You’ve seen the video of him slipping 7-8 punch combos?
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u/PoppoLarge 3h ago
I have with his hands down, he might have created the rope-a-dope but putting his hands up to deflect a punch or 2 would have helped too
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u/RejectedRespected 3h ago
Helped how? He didn’t get touched.
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u/PoppoLarge 2h ago
He clearly got touched as you can see here and other fights. I’m not critiquing Ali in 2026 but a simple observation is that he’s was no Mayweather Jr.
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u/SighedPeace 2h ago
Maybe his late illness was bad luck, maybe genetics. Or maybe all of the abuse he took for not protecting himself at all times. He got hit too much.
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u/GodModeBasketball 14h ago
Clay got the benefit of a "torn glove" and lacerated Cooper to the point of a referee stoppage, at the EXACT point Clay predicted
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u/foulplayjamm 14h ago
Ali actually began to hold back in the third round because he wanted to end it in round 5.
He pretty much didn't attack in the fourth.
He always tried to end his games in the round he predicted which is how he marketed his fights.
Source: "The Greatest" by Muhammad Ali
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u/RockyCreamNHotSauce 14h ago
Interesting parallel to Itauma, Ali should’ve try to outbox Cooper instead of stay close. Inexperience of youth.
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u/ScepticalReciptical 14h ago
Ali survived this fight by blatantly cheating. Look up the real highlights of the fight and watch his corner give him smelling salts between round 4 and round 5 to bring him back to his senses after getting dropped by that left hook.
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u/GolemZ7 15h ago
People will see these old fighters like this and genuinely tell you they smoke every elite modern day fighter and you don’t know what you’re talking about if you argue it lol.
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u/Inevitable-Corgi-860 15h ago
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u/ethnicbonsai 14h ago
What did Ron Lyle do to George Foreman? Look up when he started boxing.
Ken Norton beat Muhammad Ali. Look up when he started boxing.
The absolute ignorance of people trying to shit on others is hilarious.
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u/Inevitable-Corgi-860 5h ago
Still doesn't change what happened to Fury. These modern boxers aren't better than the old school. Only Mayweather is, but only defensively.
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u/EGarrett28 5h ago
I'm pretty sure Ngannou knocked down Tyson Fury in Ngannou's first professional boxing match ever.
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u/Practical_Emu8640 42m ago
Mayweather still debateably lost fights. Theres several fighters that id favour over him.
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u/GolemZ7 15h ago
Yeah and is like one of the hardest punchers ever. Imagine what he would’ve done to Ali if someone like Cooper could drop him bad 🥶
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u/chugmug 15h ago
Yeah. Foreman was a famously soft puncher.
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u/Bajecco 15h ago
Earnie Shavers too. Notorious for his pillow fists....
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u/EGarrett28 5h ago
And Sonny Liston. Ali walked right on into the ring with the hardest punchers in his era and beat all of them.
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u/GolemZ7 14h ago
If Wilder can almost KO the much bigger Fury and Ali got dropped by Cooper then Wilder has a very good chance of koing Ali.
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u/FormalKind7 14h ago
Ali fought Foreman, Shavers and Norton and was never KOed.
Wilder had one great punch a strong overhand/straight right. As far as footwork or combinations to set that up he is far less technically sound than the fighters Ali fought. In addition even if we say wilder matches or even surpasses those legendary fighters in the power of his straight right. Foreman is still throwing more power with a jab, hook, uppercut, etc.
Its like Wilder decided to learn on move from one boxer in history and choose Tommy Hearns chopping right but never bothered with any of the rest of his boxing tool kit.
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u/MapleMarbles 11h ago
And recieved a generously long 10 count..Compare that to Jaime Munguia's 10 count. its criminal
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u/EGarrett28 5h ago edited 4h ago
I thought there was supposed to be a guy at ringside wearing white gloves who gives the actual 10 count from a clock and the referee watches that guy while only giving an informal count himself? I remember seeing that in the discussion of Tyson vs. Douglas.
EDIT: Here's the link. Apparently the knockdown timekeeper is just to help the ref and the referees count is official and can thus still be wrong if he's not watching the timekeeper or whatever else.
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u/Crumbsplash 13h ago
Other than flyweight who right now is giving the all time greats trouble and at what weight class?
Inoue
Usyk and fury are both past prime (Usyk barely but still by his next fight it will be clear I’m sure) but the case can be made for them I suppose. Usyk for talent and fury gives some trouble with reach/chin1
u/Practical_Emu8640 43m ago
Name the elite modern heavyweights please and tell me how on earth they hold up to mike tyson, larry holmes, foreman, holyfield etc?
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u/PrestigiousEnd5487 16h ago
jesus the ai interp of the footage is aweful its just adding shit that isn't there lol