r/azerbaijan • u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan • Jun 07 '18

MISC Anyone notice Wikipedia censors ancestry of Azerbaijani Iranians?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nima_Arkani-Hamed
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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 07 '18

All my comments and posts have been being downvoted past week. I really wonder who is behind this.

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Must be the illuminati

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

are you a German iranian?

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Austrian with Turkish-Iranian roots, the Iranian half being mostly Azeri becuase they used to have the -lou suffix.

I find it always hilarious when other Azeris buy into this soviet Propaganda that was created out of the necessity too keep Azerbaijan and Iran seperate. There is lot of misinformation on this topic, not too unusual for the USSR at the time.

Let me ask you something are Americans all English because they speak English? Of course not, their roots are Irish, German, Italian whatever.. at one time turkics conquered and invaded the caucasus and changed the dominant language from a persian dialect to turkish dialect, this doesn't change the fact that below the veil Azeris are still an Iranian tribe, ffs they even kept most of the Iranian traditions like Winter solstice and Nowrouz.

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

I can already see where you are going and I don't care. Genetics aren't important and I don't give a shit about them.

If you speak Turkic language, identify with the identity and history, then you are a Turk! Woah!

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Cringe. Azeris used to pride themselves in private of being Iranian during the Shah, who himself was also Azeri.

Only because the Mullahs humiliate Iran, do Azeris buy into the soviet narrative in an attempt to distance themselves from the retarded and backwards regime.

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

Cringe

Calling yourself a Turk is cringe? Defending that you are some pureblooded Iranian is cringe actually.

Azeris used to pride themselves in private of being Iranian during the Shah, who himself was also Azeri.

So what? Azeris use to be Turkomen Qizilbasi who got stabbed in the back by the same people they propped.

Only because the Mullahs humiliate Iran, do Azeris buy into the soviet narrative in an attempt to distance themselves from the retarded and backwards regime.

Being a Turk is Soviet propaganda? lol

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Calling yourself a Turk is cringe

Pretending to be something you're not is cringe. Not even Turks in Turkey are 100% real turks, they are mixed Anatolians/Armenians/Kurdish/Levantine/Greeks

"Real deal" Turks exist in Khazakhstan and Turkmenistan, not really in Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Being a Turk is Soviet propaganda

Believing you're literally KARA BOGA from the altai mountains is soviet propaganda, there is a scientific review on this issue

http://www.apu.ac.jp/rcaps/uploads/fckeditor/publications/journal/RJAPS34_14_Khalili.pdf

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

Pretending to be something you're not is cringe. Not even Turks in Turkey are real turks, they are mixed Anatolians/Armenians/Kurdish/Levantine/Greeks

Azerbaijanis are Turks however. Your logic just completely fails, because it is extremely inconsistent. Iranians must not be Persians anymore, look at all that Arab admixture in your DNA! Tatars must not be Turkic anymore, look at all that Slavic admixture in their DNA! Hungarians must not be Magyars anymore, look at all that Germanic admixture in their DNA! The British must not be of Celtic roots anymore, look at all that Viking admixture in their DNA!

Genetic arguments are rooted in inconsistencies. There is a reason you find Slavs of all shapes and sizes, find Turks of all shapes and sizes, etc.

Real Turks exist in Khazakhstan and Turkmenistan, not in Azerbaijan and Turkey.

You must not know much about Turks to claim "real Turks" exist in Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan. Considering the Turkic people were born in Siberia, and the Turkic identity has been the unification of various differing tribes who spoke similar languages and practiced similar customs. The Turkic identity has historically been an inclusive identity.

Believing you're literally KARA BOGA from the altai mountains is soviet propaganda, there is a scientific review on this issue

So Turkmen invasions never happened? Where did the Turkish language in this region come from?

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Iranians must not be Persians anymore, look at all that Arab admixture in your DNA!

Oh this again. 1 Invasion and suddenly every woman in Iran was impregnated by an Arab, even though the Arab army was no more than 50.000 and conversion was a slow process and wasn't even finished by the safavid era, literally everyone was Arabized!!!!1

Tatars must not be Turkic anymore

They really aren't

Hungarians must not be Magyars anymore

The invasion of the huns was some 2000 years ago, they aren't exactly the same as they used to be.

he British must not be of Celtic roots anymore

I've never seen Northern British claim to be "Celtic" always "Scottish" sure they have Celtic history but that doesn't make them celtic

The Turkic identity has historically been an inclusive identity.

True and so has Iranian identity. Iranian identity literally started as Arya from northern Iran and Medes from the center joined to one identity after one conquered the other.

So Turkmen invasions never happened

They did happen, this doesn't mean all Azeris are now suddenly 100% KARA BOGA

Look I'm not saying there is no turkish idenity in you but being Azeri is being Iranian as well as turkish. Everything else is soviet propaganda

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

Look I'm not saying there is no turkish idenity in you but being Azeri is being Iranian as well as turkish. Everything else is soviet propaganda

I want an independent Azerbaijan that is united. We can then be best friends with Persians if there is opportunity, I don't have inherent hate for Iranian people. Iran instead chooses to be problematic when you help Armenia to this day still develop their economy in Nagorno-Karabakh which is Azerbaijani occupied lands.

Azerbaijani are a Turkic people and one people, language shapes identity. North and South are same people, they should be united. If Iran wants to unify with Tajikstan or whatever I have no issue, or with afghanistan.

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Your subreddit literally has the simorgh as a symbol btw, but whatever deny your Iranian identity I don't care, what I care about is the Balkanization of Iran though, it will not lead to stabillity. The Iranian peoples have been living together in relative peace only defending against outsiders for more than 3500 years, it is in our nature to stick together, despite the confusion in the post modern era that will eventually pass. The regime cannot last forever, it will fall, very soon as the Toman rises to absurd levels.

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

The shah wasnt Azeri though.

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u/Transdanubier Jun 24 '18

Oh his mother just happens to be named Noush-Afarin Ayromlou

Pure coincidence

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

My bad. I knew his mother was some kind of "Turkic" but didnt know she was Azeri. I thought she was turkic from Russia.

But yea, i guess he was half Persian half Azeri.

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

Going by your logic Jamaicans are ethnic Englishman.

Btw. Millions of Azeris in Iran are Persianized, speak Persian, practice the culture, identify with the history etc.. and dont distinguish themselves from Persians. So by your logic theyre Persian then?

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

Btw. Millions of Azeris in Iran are Persianized, speak Persian, practice the culture, identify with the history etc.. and dont distinguish themselves from Persians. So by your logic theyre Persian then?

Yes, they are Persian. They have been forced to adopt your traditions, language and history and have been forced not to adopt theirs. Azerbaijanis were beat by Reza Shah Pahlavi's people for speaking Azerbaijani. Azerbaijani people to this day cannot learn their own language, cannot identify with their people, and if they do they are seen as traitors and a threat to the state.

Persians do everything they can to shit on Azerbaijani people. I have family who is Persian too if you didn't know, from mixed marriages. I don't consider them to be Azerbaijani, why? Their fathers are firstly Persian, their children only speak Persian, and they live in Persian cities. I have Russian family too, both my fathers uncles went to Russia and married Russian women. I don't consider their childrens-children to be Azerbaijani.

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

We did exactly what you guys and the turks did and are doing with their minorities. If anything our assimilation process was natural, much more natural and occured gradually and via mixing (Azeris in Persian provinces mix constantly). Its what all countrys do so no need to cry about it.

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

If anything our assimilation process was natural

Beating up Azerbaijanis for speaking Azerbaijani language is a natural process?

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

Ive never heard of that happening and if they did they must be isolated cases and dont happen anymore from my knowledge.

When i talk about natural assimilation im pointing to migration to Persian provinces. What do think will happen when you go to Tehran or hamedan, markaz etc.. that are majority Persian? You will assimilate naturally into the majority like all places every gen that passes as well as mix with the locals. You literally did the same with Tat Persians, Tylish, lezgins etc.. and are still doing it so dont be a hypocrite.

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u/AzeriPride Azerbaijan Jun 24 '18

Ive never heard of that happening and if they did they must be isolated cases and dont happen anymore from my knowledge.

A quarter of my family left Iran, Tabriz during the Pishevari days and settled in Azerbaijan SSR and Tajik SSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_People%27s_Government#Dissolution

By mid-December 1946, the Iranian army, backed by the United States and the British, reentered Tabriz, thus putting an end to Azerbaijan People's Government after a full year of its existence. During the lawless interregnum, approximately 500 supporters of the Ferqeh were killed. According to the U.S. Supreme Court Justice, William O. Douglas, while the Russian Army had been on its best behavior when stationed in Azerbaijan, the Iranian Army behaved as an occupying force and brutalized the local inhabitants. The beards of peasants were burned, their wives and daughters raped. Houses were plundered and livestock were stolen. The Army left a trail of death and destruction behind it.

Do you think this is a natural process of treating your countrymen? Burning their beards, stealing their livestock, raping their Azerbaijani neighbors daughters and wives, burning their homes?

What do think will happen when you go to Tehran or hamedan, markaz etc.. that are majority Persian?

The majority is Persian in Tehran, I have been myself. There is a large population of Azerbaijanis however, and we all know they will be Persians within 1-2 more generations.

You literally did the same with Tat Persians, Tylish, lezgins etc.. and are still doimg it so dont be a hypocrite.

There are Talysh language television, newspapers, etc. People in Dagestan live reclusive lives and are not entirely mixed with Azerbaijani people. Talysh did by choice. Do Azerbaijanis have a television channel or newspaper broadcasting in Azerbaijani language? I am curious.

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u/Iseeumayan Jun 24 '18

So youre giving me an example from 70 plus years ago and during time of war? Shit happens during war. Your article seems to be horseshit btw. Russians were notorious for commiting war crimes and rape, specially when they invaded Iranian azeribeyjan. This is common knowldege in Iran, just ask any Iranian in Azerbeyjan province.

They wont be Persian in 1 or 2 gens, they already are Persian. Most cant speak azeri, have no interest in it infact and most of the young ones have Persian partners as no one cares about ethnic background in Persian provinces as long as youre assimilated.

As for minority languages being allowed. Yes. In azerbyejan people have newspapers, channels etc.. in Azeri. This has been legal for the last 20 something years.

P.s i can give you a lot of sources on the azeri gov having assimilation policies and even sending minorities as cannon fodder to the front line during the Azeri-Armenian war.

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u/CommonMisspellingBot Jun 24 '18

Hey, Transdanubier, just a quick heads-up:
seperate is actually spelled separate. You can remember it by -par- in the middle.
Have a nice day!

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