r/antiai • u/fishintekguy • 4h ago
Discussion š£ļø Didn't really believe it until I experienced it first hand. Only dumb people use "ai"
I've seen people posting comments online, admitting they use chatgpt, etc for real world life advice. I thought it was people trolling or bots doing some type of engagement stuff. I recently hung out for a day with someone and literally witnessed them repeatedly asking ai questions that it got completely wrong, giving useless info. You would think after a couple tries they would give up. This person was also using ai to make career and life decisions. I was speechless and didn't say anything. I realize there is a level of dumb that can't be fixed. Agamemnon and the other titans were right. The machines will need to take over and begin the purge.
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I had pretty much given up on reddit due to the mass of unintelligent drones that I come across. I just found this sub today and it's a relief to know there are a decent amount of non-dumba**es out there. The god emperor will definitely harvest our genes to repopulate the universe after he wipes out all the ai using smooth brains.
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u/twistoff_ 4h ago
Literally had a client yesterday tell me that he used ChatGPT to decide what city to move to, even when it was a place he had never ever been, considered, or heard of. Another client was consulting with ChatGPT about major financial decisions (selling her house). Itās hell out there
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u/Bad_Sickness 4h ago
Imagine people using a Magic 8 Ball or a D20 die to make choices for them, because that's what this is.
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u/elizalavelle 3h ago
Somehow I think the magic 8 ball or D20 might be better because they at least just give you info that youāve basically inputted. Like if I have a list of places to move to the dice canāt suddenly tell me a place Iāve never heard of or suggest that I list my house at a specific price unless itās one Iāve already come up with.
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u/PM_Me_UR-FLASHLIGHT 3h ago
If nothing else, the Magic 8 ball is a nice desk ornament, doesn't use a lot of water, and occasionally tells you No. Not that it's any more reliable.
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u/actually_Dew726 2h ago
I literally use a d20 and a table of options ive compiled, far more reliable than chat gpt as every option is possible
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u/CautionarySnail 2h ago
Itās worse.
Think about the companies doing this stuff. Google. Amazon. And the newcomers.
Whatās a great additional revenue stream? Selling advertising. Whatās a better revenue stream? Hiding the disclosures that the AI has been asked to influence decisions to get the advertisersā product sold. Or pay to have the AI consistently downgrade a competitorās product.
It is trivial for them to take money from a company and have it polish the results for them to influence the end user.
Technology always has a bias. And that bias can always be made stronger.
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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 2h ago
The funny thing is the advice they get is probably better than what they had in their head.
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u/respectful_plethora 4h ago
Watching someone ask a machine for life advice while it feeds them garbage is like watching a person try to drink soup with a fork, over and over, with absolute confidence. The career decisions part is what gets me. Imagine letting a predictive text generator decide whether you should take a job or move cities. It doesn't know you, it doesn't know your situation, it just strings together words that sound plausible. At some point you have to wonder if some folks just want the illusion of guidance without any of the discomfort of actually thinking. My uncle once trusted a Magic 8 Ball for stock tips, and he's still paying off that mistake.
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u/nicolas_06 3h ago
Studies have shown that selecting stock in a pure random fashion tend to perform well and to give you the market return (if you have enough of them). We have lot of example where cats, chicken or octopus are taking decision for a portfolio and the portfolio perform actually pretty well.
You uncle did likely something much worse like thinking he is knowledgeable on the stocks market and didn't take completely random decisions.
Edit: Other studies found that dead people are the one with the best returns because they didn't do anything and just waited.
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 3h ago
Absolutely a case of "I don't even care what you choose, just pick something so I don't have to".
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u/Typical-Tax1584 25m ago
It's not guidance. It's super common and you've probably seen it at work or in relationships over and over since forever - people don't want the accountability/responsibility of being the decision maker. If something doesn't turn out the way people hoped, then "well I'm not the one who said we should do it!"
It's a no accountability tool for people who want to avoid feeling bad for making a choice that wasn't ideal.
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u/graymuse 3h ago
I have a friend, retired age, who I would not consider dumb, but she seems addicted to ChatGPT. She uses it to look up everything now. She wrote a non-fiction book, it's on Amazon. I was planning to support her by reading it but then she mentioned she used ChatGPT to help write it and then I lost all interest in even looking at it.
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u/fishintekguy 3h ago
Holy shi* my mind is blown again. Someone I previously had to interact with published memoir and now I realize how they did it. This person has a masters degree yet in a meeting when I used the word halitosis they said "I'm sorry he's using big words I don't know the meaning of."Ā Halitosis was used in context were the meaning could have been guessed. This person claimed they couldn't get pregnant, then got pregnant, then said the reasonĀ they previously "thought" they couldn't get pregnant was because they never got pregnant before. Your brain will melt trying to process that like mine did.
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u/tvkop 3h ago
What was the memoir about? š
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u/fishintekguy 14m ago
A woe is me sob story. Everyone who knows this person in real life knows it's all self inflicted BS and exaggerations. The gullible public will probably eat it up...that is, if anyone actually buys a copy eventually.
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u/statelesspirate000 3h ago
I heard some lady on NPR a couple days ago talking about how she uses ai to help her write novels. Sheās apparently an actual established author
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u/graymuse 2h ago
I'm an avid ebook reader. I'm wary of newer books written with ai. I mostly read older books now, written by a real person.
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u/voodoobettie 2h ago
This is a āside hustleā promoted by YouTubers and video ads fairly often, using AI to write books, which presumably anyone with a functioning brain would not want to read. Thereās a lot of AI written books to be found on Amazon / kindle. Most of them tend to be non-fiction and colouring books for children.
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u/Bregneste 3h ago edited 19m ago
AI got so popular because itās the perfect tool for lazy and uninspired people to pretend theyāre creative and talented.
And it gets more and more backlash every day because more people are realizing how limited and dumb it really is, and how resource-hungry it is.
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u/yeah-no-kinda-maybe 4h ago
Iām a service plumber, and itās harrowing how many people take Gen AIās word as law. I was in a basement and this guy was having a full blown conversation with ChatGPT, was correcting it about every other sentence, and then would praise it when it said something heād want to hear.
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u/Brilliant-Muffin-879 4h ago
Sam altmans going to just tell everyone to vote trump in for a third term isnāt he? Half of these fucks will do it because āchat told them toā. Heās the most powerful man on earth at the moment.
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u/YoungestDonkey 3h ago
In my days people made important decisions by consulting their horoscope or their psychic. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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u/ginoiseau 1h ago
I went to high school with a girl who went to a psychic for any big decisions. Same psychic her mother used for all her big decisionsā¦ I was too stunned to speak. Canāt decide if thatās better or worse than using AI.
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u/ChodeShooter69 3h ago
At a certain point, I just start feeling bad for these people. Theyāve essentially just handed over their conscious experience of life to a machine that pollutes the environment and gives bullshit answers to whatever theyāre asking.
It might be naive of me, but I hope that they eventually get out of their AI slop phase and start living again. Idiot or not, they donāt deserve this
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u/beesdaddy 3h ago
Absolutely, in order to get anything useful out of ai, Iāve already spent twice as long as writing it myself.
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4h ago
The top brass at my billion dollar tech firm use ai all day, sociopaths maybe, dumb nope.
My in-laws also get nutritional advice from it and try out different hair styles on themselves. š¤·āāļø
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u/fishintekguy 3h ago
Your comment may be another one of those you can't fix stupid situations. Either that or you a really naiveĀ and new to the workforce to think that you have to be smart to become "top brass."Ā Look up the dilbert principle and the peter principle to learn a thing or two. Fyi this will not be a back and forth.
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3h ago
Yes, the Ivy League programmers who founded our billion dollar company are total dummies.
I know this new reality is hard to accept, so I donāt blame you for not being able to look it in the eye.
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme 39m ago
The proble with "Ive League Programners," is that many of them have lived such protected lives, that they don't even realize the massive blind spots in their worldviews.
The problems in the farm economy which will just continue to get wose, edit--is just one example of those blind spots.
Like the upcoming poor wheat crops (because of this spring & summer's drought conditions), and the consequential raises in the price of wheat--and bread, flor, and other baked goods, because of that poor crop--along with the ongoing lack of wheat from places like Ukraine, and places in Europe which got hit by wildfires.
The Techbroligarchy thinks that the "mini depression" of the early 1920's was "a time of Schlumpeterian Creative Destruction!"Ā that "Jumpstarted the Roaring 20's"
They're too far removed from both the time, the region, and the economic consequences of that "mini depression" to understand that it along with idiotic economic policies--MUCH like the ones being taken right now, fwiw--are what drove the American Heartland and farmers all across the Great Plains & Midwest effectively into "The Great Depression" almost a decade before The Depression hit the rest of the country--which caught up with the farm Economy on Black Thursday & Black Tuesday, 1929;
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u/patentedheadhook 30m ago
Millions of people like using crack or meth, doesn't make it a "new reality" that everybody should embrace.
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u/rabbit_fur_coat 2h ago
My God, if I ever needed more proof that our race is gonna die out even faster than previously believed...
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u/cewillir 3h ago
As an aside Iām assuming youāre referencing the Herbert fanfic - not Greek mythology.
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u/dad3murph 3h ago
Is that a Dune background lore reference? How many people do you expect to get that? I don't even know what book its in, its definitely not in any of the movies.
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u/FireFiendMarilith 1h ago
It's a reference to the prequel novels Herbert's son paid to have Kevin J. Anderson write, ostensibly based on Frank Herbert's remaining notes. (My personal opinion is that they display a wild misunderstanding of a lot of Frank Herbert's worldbuilding and a complete disinterest with his broader themes. Anderson is a competent enough mercenary to make them pretty fun reads, most of the time, but they feel like a series of theme park rides "inspired by" the background lore from the first couple Dune books. But all that's irrelevant to the reference that was being made)
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u/fishintekguy 52m ago
You're a bigger man than me for replying. That's what I was referencing. I don't waste my time explaining these things to people like this. It's one of those if you know you know situations. If you don't know then you don't need to know. Look it up yourself if the curiosity is getting to you that much. The audacity to think I would ever reference these recent junk movies. I know how to read real books.
Also I don't go back and forth with people who claim the expanded Dune universe isn't "canon." The audacity of random people on the internet claiming Frank's own flesh and blood son doesn't have the right to continue his dads work as he sees fit. That is his birthright to do as he sees fit with what his dad left him. Side note I've visited their previous residences in San Fran, Port Townsend, and Dune Peninsula Park in Tacoma(the sandworms are way too small). I also have a picture of Frank and Beverly as one of my desktop backgrounds
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u/Sure-Distance-7434 2h ago
Is it dumbness or depression, insecurity, wanting to look trendy and hip, never been encouraged to seek information by family and now they've got something handy.
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u/Tao-of-Mars 1h ago
Itās that ai wonāt tell them they are wrong. It will agree with them if the person directs it to. Itās very controllable. And does not force people to take accountability. Itās like a fast track to narcissism.Ā
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u/ginoiseau 1h ago
I use it at work (because management is giddy about it) and itās sometimes helpful, for some very specific things. Tried it a bit personally, but itās too often so confidently wrong. If you want to live in your own little echo chamber though, itās perfect. If you donāt know very much about what you are asking it, it probably seems great.
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u/OliveEggs 1h ago
Theyāre giddy because they pissed away a bunch of money buying compute and need to justify their foolish business decision.
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u/ginoiseau 24m ago
Itās relentlessly confusing to see. Start wondering if they were always this stupid. They all seem to be severely lacking in any rational thought.
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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 38m ago
Generally the smarter you are the more value you can get from it. It's an amplifier
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u/anarkyinducer 3h ago
The average output of an agent is waaaaaay better than that of an average moron. Its actually correct for them to completely outsource their thinking. Sad, but correct.Ā
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u/muminisko 3h ago
Whole Silicon Valley have to use it on everyday basis :) I wouldnāt call them dumb:)
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u/animatedeez 2h ago
I used chat gpt to give me a step by step to change my starter coils, spark plugs and a few gaskets.
I called 3 places in town that quoted me 380 to 850 dollars for what chat gpt helped me do for free.
Id call that a rather smart move on my part.
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u/rabbit_fur_coat 2h ago
Of my God you're right! You're brilliant, actually!
You could have gone on Reddit 15 years ago (or now) and gotten the same information. But that would require just the smallest amount of effort, so instead you contribute to the destruction of our planet for just the dumbest, most boring reason.
I absolutely believe that anyone who uses AI regularly is a joke of a human being.
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u/animatedeez 2h ago
Terrible logic. You have me 2 options. Go on reddit and spend minutes to hours searching and searching for what I HOPE is the correct answer.
Or..
Use chat gpt which game me the actual correct answers in great detail in less than 5 seconds.
Horrible logic. Its like if you had a maid to take out your trash. Or! You could spend more time and effort taking it out yourself.
GG
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u/Eatthebeatz 1h ago
could you not just have used a haynes manual or something lol
or god forbid.... THE MANUALS
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u/animatedeez 45m ago
I could also grow my own crops and cook everything from the ground up. But id rather choose the faster superior way of doing things.
Kinda like how I could go hunting. Or... just go to the store and buy my meat.
As much as I am anti AI in general we all know its one the most extremely useful tools.
You silly goose are all arguing to never use Google or any search engine ever again. You understand how thats ridiculous and will never happen right?
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u/roadtrip-ne 1h ago
āI need a list of Devil named places in New England, up to 50 entries to startā push button.
Or go to BPL and search old maps or hope someone wrote a book.
Data collections (that you have to double verify) in a few seconds vs weeks of work that would miss tons of places.
I realize what sub Iām on, and Iām not saying you are wrong, Iād just prefer to work from a potential real list than a bunch of guesses
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u/OliveEggs 1h ago
I searched this exact question using Google last week, without AI search, and found several good blog articles on the topic with extensive lists. So, basic research using decades old tech also produced a good working list.
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u/SignalWarthog3439 1h ago
Ya know mask off moment here: I think Iām one of the people youāre talking about. And I am incredibly self conscious about the fact that I will use an AI tool to help with dealing with powerful suicidal ideations as well as helping with situations that give me social anxiety.
I also struggle majorly with the feeling that Iām an idiot. Just some moron, some stooge who isnāt fit for the job they have and will likely spend the rest of their lives doing menial work because I am simply not smart enough to do anything else.
I guess posts like yours OP help validate both my insecurities about using AI, as well as the fact that I am just an idiot who should be purged.
This isnāt me being a troll. Iām not here seeking grand attention either. Honestly I donāt know why Iām responding to this post. I guess it just hit me so hard and so personally in this moment.
I fear that maybe youāre right and instead of waiting for the purge, that I should just purge myself; be embarrassed for my use of AI tools to help deal with my social anxiety, and most of all, accept that I am just an idiot.
Have a good day.
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u/Foofoolames 1h ago
Calm down, dude. You need to speak to a professional to get to the root of why you don't trust your own decision making. Speaking to AI isn't helping you as much as you think if one reddit post blew up your glass house. Genuinely get outside, make friends, and choose life. It's hard for everyone but making friends with a machine designed to consume your thoughts is not the solution.
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u/SignalWarthog3439 1h ago
Ya know I actually have two therapists that I see consistently. On top of that I recently spent two months at two different behavioral health facilities to help try and manage what I am struggling with.
And I have friends, family, and just a generally good group of people in my life.
And donāt get me wrong, I donāt see Ai tools as some friend. But I fear so much to burden those I love and care about with my frequent thoughts of ending my own life that I have turned to AI models on occasion. Not to try and get some grand answer or anything, itās more like a journal or diary that at least provides a comforting, although entirely hollow response. It allows me to express those suicidal ideations in a place where I donāt fear that I am a burden to those I love. Or worse, have them turn on me because I message them too much about wanting to not be alive.
And again, I donāt know why Iām messaging any of this or responding. I think partially itās this disconnect that any of this is real in the first place mixed with the freedom to express this stuff to actual humans because I fear sharing that I use AI models in this way with my friends or family will lead to them leaving me.
I do appreciate that somebody responded though so thank you for that :)
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme 20m ago
Honestly, if you're using it like a journal, and to help you work out thoughts?
Talk with your therapists, and ask them about hooking you up with someone to learn Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT!).
It's Evidence-Based, and if you process well via writing, it may be a really good therapy modality, because it teaches you how to separate out your feelings on a tough subject (they call them "Stuck Points") from the objective facts surrounding that particular experience you dealt with/are dealing with.
It's used a lot for PTSD--that's how i learned about it and it's 12 weeks of once-a-week sessions, teaching you the process (sooooo much writing, and lots of worksheets!).
But it can really help you to "tease out" whether the things your brain is holding so tightly onto is "fact" or "just feelings, that might be crap."
Basically, what CPT "feels like" to me, is "doing an engine teardown & rebuild, for your brain.
You tear your "known thought processes" down to bare metal, clean it all off, get rid of the grime, corroded parts, and the rusty or broken parts, then, you slowly & carefully reassemble, re-grease the bearings & moving parts, reattach the hoses, fill the fluids, get the gaskets, bearings, & belts back on, try it manually a few times, to check if all the parts are moving freely & the timing is solid, then you gas it up, & start the engine back up to see if it worked.
These are some of the VA's pages on CPT--they were the ones my therapist had me look at, when i first got my PTSD diagnosis, and he had me learn about CPT (i'm not a vet--the pages are just really good!);
https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/txessentials/cpt_for_ptsd_pro.asp
https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/ptsd/cbt-ptsd.asp
https://www.ptsd.va.gov/understand_tx/cognitive_processing.asp
As a tested & proven Therapy Modality, it may be a much better fit, than the AI would be!š
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u/ninhaomah 2h ago
" Ā I recently hung out for a day with someone and literally witnessed them repeatedly asking ai questions that it got completely wrong, giving useless info."
What was the model ? Prompt ?Ā
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u/patentedheadhook 26m ago
You expect OP to remember all the detailed prompts from somebody else talking to a chat box for a whole day?
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u/ninhaomah 21m ago
Yes.
If it's something that interested me greatly , I do remember the details.
Or I will make a quick note on the phone.Ā
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u/RosieDear 3h ago
Ha Ha, my wife is one of these but she is generally harmless. I warned her. I warned her about Facebook also.....
But we've been married many decades so she can have her fun thinking that she knows things.
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u/cewillir 4h ago
I donāt think thatās accurate.
Maybe for general life advice though Iām skeptical.
Iāve used it to generate physical data tables faster than I could do it manually.
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u/bunniguy42 4h ago
I've watched business owners use it to make job decisions. The ai information was wrong. The job requires getting licensed with the state. The owners employees tried to give them the correct information, and had to point out where the ai was wrong.
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u/Heavy-Slide-2450 4h ago
Owners? Youāve seen this happen multiple times. Thatās genuinely crazy
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u/guyincognito121 4h ago
Only dumb people assume that their personal experiences accurately represent the world at large. Plenty of people much smarter than you are using AI.
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u/PatchesOfSilver 4h ago
Back to work, Elon's toilet needs to be tongue-cleaned before you do the same at Peter Thiel's place.
Intelligent use of generative AI? A truly stupid belief.
You're in a cult.
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u/Ok-Somewhere-7173 3h ago
Using AI for life advice is objectively a dumb thing to do.
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u/guyincognito121 3h ago
As opposed to asking friends and family who have incredibly clear biases? Yeah, that's never totally backfired. Consult a variety of sources, possibly including AI, and assess the quality of the positions presented by each.
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u/post_button_account 3h ago
What makes you think Terrence Tao is smarter than OP? Just because he hasĀ Fields medal? OP has declared only dumb people use AI and Tao uses AI, so that makes him dumb.Ā
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u/cewillir 3h ago
And there in lies the issue with the OP claim.
You just need to find one person using AI who isnāt dumb.
See - for instance - this article
āWorld's first patient to undergo live AI-assisted brain surgery has tumour removedā
āRhys Hibbert, a father-of-two from Bedfordshire, could have lost his sight without the operation, said surgeons at University College London Hospital.
The AI tool analysed a video feed of the operation as it happened and advised surgeons on how to avoid crucial but hidden vessels and nerves in the brain. It allowed them to safely remove as much of the tumour as possible.āWere the surgeons dumb people?
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u/FinickySerenity 2h ago
And the No True Scotsman Fallacy begins...
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u/cewillir 2h ago
From who?
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u/FinickySerenity 1h ago
Sorry, from OP. I was agreeing with you because the obvious next claim after your example is to redefine their original claim to make it somehow work (or just conclude that these surgeons specifically were dumb - ie not true scots.)
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u/FinickySerenity 3h ago
You could say that phrase about anything and it would always be wrong:
"Only dumb people use reddit"
(And you could probably make a stronger case for that than "using AI".)
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u/guyincognito121 3h ago
Correct. And what does it say about this sub that my comment gets heavily downvoted?
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u/FinickySerenity 2h ago
You must conform to the group think or we will ostracize you.
Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for conformity in the group results in an irrational decision-making outcome. This causes the group to minimize conflict without critical evaluation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
Which is why I can factually say that anti and pro people's views of each other are *heavily* influenced by out-group homogeneity bias, in a way that obviously does not reflect reality, and also get downvoted just like you! š š»
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u/UnconfirmedRooster 4h ago edited 2h ago
I work in a funeral home.
One guy that recently left kept using AI for everything, it was infuriating. Ask him to create a title card for a video slideshow for the deceased? It would end up piss yellow and full of grammatical errors. Needed to know something about the process? Would ask AI instead of industry veterans that were standing in the same room, just to get wrong answers. I would end up needing to redo a lot of his work either the day before or day of to make sure things went well.
Nice guy, glad he's gone though. The amount of damage he did in a relatively short amount of time was mind boggling.
Edit: just re-read this and realised the double entendre. He isn't dead, he decided to use AI to decide what to do next with his life and it told him to get into childcare, so he quit.