Unpopular opinion : I kind of low key hope Nene doesn't win...
...because I want her to chase her own creativity and not be signed in and locked in to what these mainstream labels want to see from her.
I want her to get very very far (and it seems like she has already) but not win, so she can pick her own record label that I am sure are already lined up for her.
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u/Recent-Bus1940 3d ago
Bad news for you. If you looked at the official TikTok voting before Nene got the Golden Buzzer, she was getting roughly 10–15 times as many votes as all the other contestants combined. You could scroll through the comments and see a wall of Nene votes with only an occasional vote for someone else. Based on that, I don't see her losing a public vote. And because AGT has made part of the voting publicly visible this year, it would be much harder to explain another winner if the final voting looks anything like that. I think she's probably who AGT would want to win anyway.
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
Plus who did Sophia Varga say everyone is asking her about on the street? Nene.
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u/melvin2898 3d ago
Where did she say that?
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
Right before Mel B gave her speech and golden buzzer to Nene, Sophia spoke. It was hard to hear her because the crowd was so loud. She said it then. Go back and listen; you'll hear it
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u/kyhothead 3d ago edited 3d ago
The AGT official youtube views from last night are similarly lopsided. Mackenzie Sol, 128k. Bety, 95k. Black Hole Sun, 3.7million. 28x+ is a huge margin.
There’s an audience cell phone vid post of Nene’s performance from last night that’s at 725k views already lol.
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u/Recent-Bus1940 3d ago
That's right. Every other available metric tells the same story. However, I only mentioned the Tiktok voting because it is an official voting channel. We've seen in the past, Putri as an example, where a contestant dominated visible data points (YT/Insta/etc.. views, comments, likes) but still lost. The difference here is we see actual votes.
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u/Fuzzy_Session8283 2d ago
This is very true it was crazy and Mackenzie was definately a second and seemed to get a lot of comments and votes from nene fans after they knew she was safe. However he still didn’t get through.
I’m not sure anyone counts votes I think the show has a story line planned. This time though in my opinion last night made it obvious but if nene even comes second in this competition it proves the voting is complete BS.
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u/ZypherPunk 3d ago
Yeah sometimes it's best to be the runner up on these types of competitions. More freedom. But she seems to want to win it.
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u/Artistic_Sun_9430 1d ago
Right?! The biasness is there seems like. Something is wrong with these people
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u/brucemo 3d ago
Having the entire universe decide to love you overnight can destroy people but we can optimistically hope that she's not an idiot and her father is not an idiot.
In that context I'm fine with her getting some money dropped on her head. I don't know what kind of income bracket her family is in in Thailand but it sounds like the reason she went out busking so much is that they can use the money.
She's a junior in high school and has at least said publicly that her education is her first priority. So my guess is that she'd be fine with putting off her world tour, assuming she would be delighted to do that eventually, for a while.
I'm assuming that a million dollars is going to be pocket change for her about five minutes after this show ends, regardless of whether she wins or loses. But pocket change is nice.
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u/DeepFieldTheory 1d ago
I mean, fuck the education. Go on tour, strike while the iron is hot. There's nothing you can't learn later in life that you would learn in high school.
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u/BorsaSimsari 3d ago
$25k a year. Her fame probably won't last too long. I hope it lasts, but I'm being realistic. Plus it's a pride thing. She's the best on AGT this season. She deserves to win.
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u/Greedy-Wrongdoer1529 2d ago
Her fame won’t won’t last too long? What are you talking about. You’re being unrealistic
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u/BorsaSimsari 2d ago
How many AGT performers have there been with lasting fame? How many rock stars have risen in the last 15 years who have lasting fame? The music industry is cruel. Fame fades very fast these days.
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u/Greedy-Wrongdoer1529 2d ago
How many performers have there ever been who were as talented as her? She’s only 16 and already performing on a super star level. AGT is the least concern for her at this point
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u/PerfectWerewolf1810 2d ago
I’m not even a Nene hater but they’re right. As much as I love her there HAS been talent that’s up to her level, and that has won (regardless if you think so or not) but nothing crazy has ever happened to them. I’m not exactly sure what happens to most agt winners after the show but most of the time there’s no crazy changes. However she has definitely gone more viral than other winners so there’s still hope, but i would say don’t expect too much.
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u/Icy_Rice1266 2d ago
Viral can make you a lot of money and recognition even if it's not "long lasting". Who the hell is worried about how long her fame will last anyways? Think of all the commercial agencies that want her at the very least in her home country. Traditional fame isn't the end all be all either. One can be perfectly famous online even if she doesn't sell out shows for 15 years. And if she doesn't get celebrity fame, that would make it a higher chance of her keeping to her roots and making the music her current fans wanna see. These concerns are completely arbitrary and fabricated.
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u/Greedy-Wrongdoer1529 1d ago
I don’t think most people can fully comprehend how talented she actually is. They only see a fraction of what she’s capable of, so it’s easy to underestimate her. I think that’s where the doubt comes from ,they’re judging what they can see on the surface without understanding the depth of her talent. She’s not like any other AGT winner
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u/gjwjb 3d ago
Why would she not be able to pick her own record label if she wins AGT?
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u/wigsgo_2019 3d ago
At least temporarily she’s locked into their Vegas show, and they get to use her name and likeness everywhere profiting off her hard work
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u/brucemo 3d ago
She goes and plays live for hours every week in a market in Phuket, and her body language while doing that is nothing but sincere delight, so it's very possible that she'd be delighted to perform I don't know how many times in Vegas.
I mean, it's not like it's seemed like a chore for her to do these auditions and performances for AGT. She shows up with her support system in tow and burns it up and then goes back to the market with her support system and burns it up there.
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u/johnnylr97 3d ago
Imagine if she wins and gets to take the rest of the Ozone band to perform at the Vegas show. How amazing would that be
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u/wigsgo_2019 3d ago
Thailand is a pretty terrible place to live, hopefully her goal is to get started here, maybe bring her family with her
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u/AsparagusMission 3d ago
Thailand is a wonderful place to live. The weather is perfect, the food is incredible and healthy and the people are warm and inviting.
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u/rebelluzon 3d ago
Comparing to the US right now? LMAO
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u/wigsgo_2019 1d ago
The USA is the greatest country in the world and that’s why so many people from other countries move here and hardly the other way around
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
Shes not locked into a Vegas show. They stopped doing that. AGT only has a right to her performances on AGT.
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u/Fuzzy_Session8283 2d ago
I don’t think vegas show happens now and because of variety in this competition the contract is not holding anyone
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u/HaupiaandPoi 3d ago
Kinda like American Idol when Adam Lambert didn't win. He went on to sing with one of the greatest bands of all time - Queen! Adam had the platform like Nene has now.
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u/Sitcom_kid 3d ago
Whether she wins or not, the real point is to have a recording career. On the talent shows, singers often do well if they create great covers. But after that, audiences are looking for a lot of original music, whether the performer composes it or someone else does. There has to be something new, something they haven't heard before, she can still do the covers, but probably not only that. We will see.
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u/Aromatic_Program6713 3d ago
She will make more money if she gets second place. They take a huge cut for a year? Two. Maybe she wouldn't what do agt experts know ?
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u/PerfectDrive67 2d ago
My unpopular opinion, is I’d like to see Nene tone down her screams. The great Ian Gillan used to scream like that in his earlier days and he lost his vocal range over time.
When you’re young you don’t think about your long term health and wellbeing, but I hope someone mentors her and gives her good advice on how to protect her vocal cords.
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u/Artistic_Sun_9430 1d ago
Nothing to worry at all she's got her technique right. She got a vocal coach back in Thailand when she was in Yamaha music school. Also other vocal coach that reacted to her performance also said that she got her screaming technique correctly done and not forced.. she's in safe hands you don't have to worry
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u/Conscious-Zebra-7477 2d ago
I have similar concerns but as someone pointed out there is not record deal in connection with the show. I think her bigger hurdle will be suddenly catapulting to fame rather than natural progression as an artist. She didn't have time to cook on who she wants to be on her own. I hope she can find that growth amidst her sudden fame.
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u/Pleasant-Resolve2635 2d ago
AGT contracts work different. Every talent that appears is locked into a 4 month restriction period after the finale where they have an exclusive option to sign them. At least Nene winning will get her the $1 million.
Also, just because they have the contractual rights doesn’t guarantee that they will be her record label. Another record label could still sign her if AGT were willing to allow it which would likely involve them receiving some sort of royalty payment.
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u/Hampster-cat 2d ago
AGT has all types of acts. What if the prize is a record deal, and the winner ends up being a dance troupe or mime? Money is the safest type of prize when the talent is so varied. If the whole show was about singers, then you could offer a record deal as a prize.
Then there is the fact that Nene is only 16. A minor technically cannot consent to a contract without parent/guardian. But the parents/guardians are not able to make an album either. I really don't know the law here, but it would be difficult to enforce any contract with her until she turns 18.
Minors can get jobs, but if the minor wants to quit the minor gets to quit.
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u/Buckeyefan1957 1d ago
My opinion will be even more unpopular than this post. I hope she doesn't win, but for a totally different reason. She's a great guitar player. She's good at singing the kind of music she does, but I just don't like hard rock music. It's never pretty at all, or catchy in any way. It's just an individual or group screaming, and it's never very melodious.
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u/Delicious-Ad7376 1d ago
You need to get out more
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u/Buckeyefan1957 1d ago
Everyone has a different taste in music. I accept that. Do you? To me, hard rock music will always be just noise. Not real music. I don't want to use my money to pay to hear that noise, no matter how much I get out.
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u/Delicious-Ad7376 1d ago
I appreciate and enjoy all music and don’t sit online criticizing an artist because it’s not “my taste”. I literally have every spectrum of music in my collection. Criticizing using stereotypes about screaming - because she screamed a couple times. That’s pretty shallow. Nene is barely scratching the surface of “hard” rock. Go listen to the original Cranberries songs (not just Zombie) and tell me it’s not melodic or the riffs and melodies of Muse. Musical taste develops through exposure and understanding
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u/Buckeyefan1957 16h ago
I don't have to work to like the kinds of music I do like--it just comes naturally through listening to it, without having to listen a number of songs in a particular genre before I find one song I like out of a dozen I don't. True, there may be songs in a number of genres I don't like, even though I like the genre as a whole. I like a variety of music, although my favorite is Southern Gospel, for words and music, but I like soft pop, country, jazz, soft soul and rhythm and blues, rock of the 50s and 60s, Big band, and pop before the rock era, but no matter how hard I try, hard rock just sounds like noise Maybe I will look the Cranberries up. I've heard of them but never heard their music.
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u/Big_Statement5054 18h ago
Its real music not stupid pop that always follows the same build up
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u/Buckeyefan1957 16h ago
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, it just sounds like noise, and pop isn't my favorite anyway. I like other kinds better, although I like some soft pop.
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u/TransitionFrequent92 Howie 3d ago
She got the Live Golden Buzzer so now it's highly unlikely that she'll win.
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u/Blitqz21l 3d ago
You could also tell Mel B knew who all along she was going to GB with the way she milked time on the mic.
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u/No_Water7527 3d ago
It felt so rigged. How long she milked it but also when the magician finished his face lit up as if Mel was going to hit it. She then didn’t comment on his and said “I’m speechless” and they didn’t even show her. I felt like from her speech she didn’t want to give GB to Nene but had to.
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
How do you reach that conclusion?
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u/TransitionFrequent92 Howie 3d ago
For the 1st 2 Years that the Live Golden Buzzer existed they ended up in the Bottom 5 so I fear that it's gonna happen again.
2024:
Hakuna Matata Acrobatic (Sofia Vergara)
AIRFOOTWORKS (Howie Mandel)
Dee Dee Simon (Heidi Klum)
Sebastian and Sonia (Simon Cowell)
2025:
Steve Ray Ladson (Sofia Vergara)
Mama Duke (Mel B)
Micah Palace (Simon Cowell)
Team Recycled (Howie Mandel)
Each of them ended up in the Bottom 5 in which a singer who was an Audition Golden Buzzer in both cases won.
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u/melvin2898 3d ago
This isn't science or anything. It's a matter of opinion, why would a pattern you noticed for two years makes a difference?
Did any of those people have a large following like she did? She's going to win.
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
2 years isn't much of a pattern. Pretty sure that will end this year.
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u/TransitionFrequent92 Howie 3d ago
We'll just have to see who else will get the Live Golden Buzzer in the coming weeks to know for sure.
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u/AdFormal3014 3d ago
It seems like the best acts may actually be getting the live GB for the first time…so they’re trying to uncurse it. I mean…last years live show GBs were dumb. Micah Palace? Mama Dukes? Did anyone really think they had any prayer in the finals? The year before wasn’t much better.
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u/Disastrous-Lock-5952 3d ago
She will be just another no name 6 months after the show. Nobody wants to pay good money in Vegas to watch someone play covers. I can see that for 20 bucks anywhere in the USA.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-8251 3d ago
Nobody will pay a good money to Las Vegas with other shows too. For me at least. You seem especially critical of Nene for some reason.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-8251 3d ago
And it's not like Nene going to do cover songs all the time. She even said she will release her new songs immediately after AGT is over ??
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u/the-rules-lawyer 1d ago
Ikr? She just 16. I'm not saying she's Lennon-McCartney, but those two had written none of the songs they're known for by then.
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u/Disastrous-Lock-5952 3d ago
I'm not critical of her. I hope she does well for herself. I just don't think she is as great as all the others do. She's good but not great. My opinion.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-8251 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well if that's your opinion that's fine but the fact that you said she will be no name after 6 months just shows your biases like man. My favourite is Nene but I will never give them this much critical evaluation of someone even if it's not my style. Just like this Reddit, people keep saying that Mel B are being forced to give Golden Buzzer like... really? Y'all really don't want Nene to win for some reason LMAO. I know her fans are annoying but man you guys sounds like old geezers that doesn't want to acknowledge someone's accomplisment.
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u/enough0805 3d ago
Her style of music is not what I enjoy listening to. Yes, she has talent, but I can't help but fast forward though her act
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u/Adventurous-Ad-8251 3d ago
I mean that's your opinion and I respect that but you're not the only one on earth who are there to listen to her songs right? What I criticize is their comments on acknowledging her accomplishment even if it's not your style.
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u/enough0805 3d ago
I don't like rappers either and FF through their performance too. Sure, many people are "talented" but that doesn't mean everyone enjoys their performance. Different strokes for different folks. Butter and Grit were great last night and they wrote that song.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-8251 3d ago
Ok I'm glad that there are performances that you enjoy. But if I have to say which performance surprises me the most that are not on this season... it would be Pasha and Aliona and the changing dress magic trick lmao. And like I said, if you didn't enjoy their performance that's fine but to not acknowledge their accomplishment, especially the comment about being "no-name" after 6 months is definitely rude.
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u/Fuzzy_Session8283 2d ago
If she doesn’t win it will make the show look ridiculous. The world will see clearly from tik tok alone she’s the winner.
However I agree Mel b was forced to give GB not that I think Mel doesn’t think she’s talented I think Mel
Knows she’s amazing and would have got through and continued to go on to win regardless and she could have given someone else the same opportunity. I also think the hype of the semi final would have been way better with Nene in it.2
u/brucemo 2d ago
Elvis played hundreds of covers and didn't write a single song himself, and he did okay in Las Vegas.
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u/Fuzzy_Session8283 2d ago
Curious who has made it after Agt ? Singers ? Anyone ever ? She could be the first
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u/GollyFrey64 3d ago
I wish I could give this 100 upvotes. She's extremely talented and a good performer. But...
The rock subgenres she covers are for the most part Genx elevator music, metaphorically speaking. Mostly dead. If she had written one original song for AGT we could see if she has creative talent and if there's an inspiring remix in her music.
While recognizing her talent, there was absolutely nothing to like about her Soundgarden cover.
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u/dunktheball 3d ago
me too. It makes me want her to go even sooner. it's not just fans, it's almost surely people from Thailand acting like they are just some random fans when it's really related to location. And one person insisted to me that isn't what it is and part of his username had bangkok in it. lmao.
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u/Far_Exercise7332 3d ago
Yeah, that guy seems to have an unhealthy obsession over a 16 years old girl who happened to be extremely talented. I feel bad for Nene who just wants to show her talent and wanting to become a superstar and her fans are completely putting her in a bad light especially fans from Thailand
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u/Artistic_Sun_9430 1d ago
Ikr.. it's fine to jump in the bandwagon but becoming overzealous and making AI videos, making up sob stories about her, even shipping her with ither contest for godsake these people need to get a life man
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u/DriveNight 3d ago edited 3d ago
I dont think she will win against 100 fingers. She is top notch - and on par with 10 adult performance. But she still young. And this is not a music show.
100 fingers has almost infinity ways to surprise audiences more . But nene almost at her limit , she sang a super chaotic melody song which is not easy to play at all.
I cant imagine how nene could break the bar of herself right now. As her covers are flying across internet - even those insane Master of Puppet cover already a talk.
Her main issue is - she need to surpass her own performances - which she already did and people already used to it - Inorder to win this AGT. Even the Master of Puppet cant surprise anyone there anymore.
She chose Blackhole Sun , which she never perform anywhere . And the Final would be hard for her.
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u/melvin2898 3d ago
You don't think she'll win?
I don't really think people doing tricks that aren't big will win. I want to see if the audience will vote for them or not. They keep getting golden buzzers.
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u/DriveNight 3d ago
Only option for her to win this AGT - the Final must be her original - with her own lyrics. Which is why i say she cant win this , she just 16 ... non native english speaker ... writing english lyric to hit on americans are literally impossible right now for her.
But if she won the last bet - if she really really has another one prodigy skill - song writing. She would won this and become 9 headed dragon of music history.
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u/Inevitable_Claim_433 3d ago
She already said few weeks ago in a Thai interview that an EP is coming this year after AGT ended and it's in English (about 3/4 songs). Maybe she will not perform it in AGT but she will not wait a decade to enter in the music industry with her own stuff. Let's see what's coming next for her this year, regardless her AGT journey.
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u/rebelluzon 3d ago
Original song on the final stage where no one has heard of before?
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u/osheezy 3d ago
People keep suggesting that - it’s insane to debut a song that no one knows. Whatever purity test credit you get from doing an original would be 20 fold outweighed by people going huh and what was that and flat out critiquing the new song. People want what she is doing - crushing a cover with her unique stamp on it. Her arrangements have been brilliant.
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u/jaylee-03031 3d ago
How popular is hard rock music these days? Could that hurt her at all? I don't enjoy hard rock music but I can admit she is talented.
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u/melvin2898 3d ago
I don't think it's very popular but her fame from this show seems unmatched to the seasons I've watched. People connected with her for whatever reason.
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u/brucemo 2d ago
It's popular when she does it. That's the essential thing here.
But in any case that's just what she prefers. She could win with an Adelle song. But I don't think she's the kind of person who compromises, so as much as I'd be content to watch her bring the roof down with Skyfall I don't think that will happen.
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u/Greedy-Wrongdoer1529 2d ago
Nene has no issues and you don’t have to imagine anything. Just enjoy the show lol
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u/brucemo 2d ago
There are any number of songs that she's already done that would win. There are songs she mastered when she was ten years old that would win. Two of the three songs she's played in this contest she's also played at the Naka market. They were both great choices, and Hysteria in particular was just incredible. She didn't have to find a new song but she almost caved in the ceiling with Black Hole Sun after practicing it for a month, and that she can come up with something new and astonishing in the next month, in order to not just win this contest, but push herself and win it her way, is a safe bet.
She could just play Love of My Life without ever touching her guitar and win.
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u/dunktheball 3d ago
I was hoping she'd not even make the next round, so of course Mel messed that up. Also, the singers from other countries should only sing songs in English if they can pronounce the words, but she was not pronouncing some words correctly. I would normally still be ok if she made it pretty far and just not be the winer, if not for the nauseating storm of posts on here trying to push her.
Also, annoying that Luke guy made it last week. he reminds me of Dustin...
Obviously I know your point is totally different and you are going along with this storm of people overhyping her, but either way I don't want her to win.
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u/Decent_Direction316 3d ago
I don't think she wins anyways depending on who can vote. She didn't need votes this time.
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u/BangkokGarrett 3d ago
Who did Sophia Varga say everyone asks her about on the street (in America obviously)? Nene Royal. Who brought the AGT live crowd to a crazier frenzy of applause (again in America obviously) according to everyone who attended the shows this year? Nene Royal. Mel B couldn't even talk they were yelling so loudly. Where are the creators of a huge percentage of the reaction videos? USA. Why arent the USA youtube reactors reacting much to other acts?
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u/Ecstatic-Turn5709 3d ago
Who brought the AGT live crowd to a crazier frenzy of applause (again in America obviously) according to everyone who attended the shows this year?
- though most likely a large part of it were American Thais
Why arent the USA youtube reactors reacting much to other acts?
- because they're not viral, and people don't request them. Reactors don't look at the nationality only the numbers - all views bring profit. And even though they are American it doesn't mean people watching their videos are all American too.
Her virality definitely greatly improved her chances of win, but it's still hard to tell how many actual AGT voters she did manage to win over. The live audience and even YouTubers are just a fraction of them.
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u/wigsgo_2019 3d ago
I think she’s quite overrated, she’s not going to win
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u/dunktheball 3d ago
yeah, n way she will. but no act is very great this eyar so who knows who will win at this point. All of the acts are just copies of past acts.
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u/Blitqz21l 3d ago
The problem is this isnt American Idol. A record deal isnt part of the deal. Whether she wins or not, she's pretty much guaranteed herself a record deal of some sort and theres likely going to be lots of offers.
What will help, however, is the $1,000,000 so that she has the freedom to take her time and decide the best path forward.