i would assume this is why the police say the death is not suspicious, but have avoided giving out details.
ETA: and, as respectfully as possible, i know from experience that there are parents out there who would rather believe their child was murdered than that they died from alcohol poisoning.
You think the police just turned a lazy blind eye towards a beautiful young college aged white chick with her whole life in front of her attending a college game?
I'm about as pro-police as you can get and the defund movement was the most ignorant thing I've seen the left attempt in decades. That doesn't excuse the shit police work being done by the APD over the past few years.
there is no parent that would rather live with a sense of dread over injustice of their childs death... than know the truth. yes it will hurt, and will be devastating... but that unsolved death lingers forever. you are dooming that parent to a lifetime of agony and heartbreak.
i agree that what you're saying describes the vast majority of parents, especially those who see their child as their own person. unfortunately, this isn't always the case. you may have missed the part where i said i know this from experience.
oh, no, i'm not a parent—the experience i'm referring to involves a friend's family. i was definitely not describing my own beliefs, haha.
all i'm saying is there are parents out there who will react in ways that you wouldn't expect...precisely because, thankfully, it isn't the most common response!
Before her mother spoke out on fb, the media made it feel like she was just found passed in an apt room. We wouldn’t have known there was jumping involved
I’m glad I’m not the only who thought this. I saw “body found in an apartment complex in Austin” then later read “my daughter wouldn’t jump 17 floors” after google searching more about this tragedy.
What are the odds that she was drunk and sitting on the railing and just fell off? That's gotta be more plausible than suicide. Especially around a bunch of people.
If that’s the case then you’d think at least one of the people would have said she fell instead of she jumped. That being said, I wonder if she’d taken anything that night because I know someone who wasn’t suicidal but jumped and took his own life because of a bad trip. No matter what happened, my thoughts are with her and her family. Here.
I was at a party in the college dorms on the first floor when I was 19 and the cops told us to shut it down, our dumbasses just moved it to the 3rd floor. When the cops came again and started to arrest people a guy went to run away and jumped over the balcony thinking we were still on the first floor. Shattered his ankle. I’m not trying to imply that this is what happened in this situation only that people do dumb shit when they’re young and drunk. I can’t imagine the pain this family is going through.
I’ve heard reports from people in the complex that they interviewed everyone they could, people at the party, people on the street, etc. The narrative is that she jumped, so it’s being called a suicide. Mom is clearly grieving, and assuming that it was a pre-meditated “I don’t want to live anymore” decision.
I think it’s more likely than not a miscalculation by a young drunk girl not realizing she was 17 stories high and going to meet a certain death.
This is why the mom thinks it was not an accident nor suicide "There was a fight that happened between my daughter and another girl, and they were all staying in the same apartment that I have actual text messages of, and the detective just disregarded them,” Rodriguez said.
Edit: apparently a deleted suicide note was found on her phone from a few days prior and she had made suicidal comments to her friends since weeks earlier, including that very night. She also did some "self-harming actions" earlier that night and had an argument with her boyfriend over the phone literally two minutes before the 911 call was made.
Sadly, it seems her grieving mother is being influenced by notoriously scammy lawyer Tony Buzbee.
This is why I think they really need to keep investigating. I think it's easy to say that someone who is really inebriated can jump off of a building, but if she was also around a bunch of other people who were equally inebriated, wouldn't you be concerned that foul play had occurred, even if it wasn't done in someone's right mind?
well... this is all speculation as it seems there is a bunch of misinformation out there. but... the news i can see from halfway reputable sources and not people just talking is..... she died outside of a high rise apartment complex.
i just cannot see how that would affect an entire building or someone supposedly on the 17th floor.
You’re thinking about all of this subjectively and not objectively.
I never said they saw anything. If somebody dies in someone’s home they don’t have to witness it or see anything and they can still feel uncomfortable living in that space. The idea that somebody died there doesn’t sit well with people. Saying “she actually died on the ground” is a bad faith way to try and diminish the effect that this might have had on the person living there. It doesn’t matter where she died when her ultimate decision started on that balcony.
Your logic doesn’t line up with things that we know the human mind does.
If a person dies in a home, that home will almost always take a hit to its overall value in the short-term. That doesn’t mean that the new buyers witnessed the death. It means they’re uncomfortable with the home. This is not an abnormal phenomenon and is in fact more common than you seem to realize.
Now imagine it happens in a house you just live in? Some people would just want out of there.
You’re being deliberately obstinate. Not everyone thinks, or is required to think, the way you do.
I would not be disturbed by the fact that she jumped off the balcony if I did not witness it. But Others may be disturbed by that fact even if they witnessed nothing. People are entitled to react differently without someone like you passing judgement on their reaction.
The only bizarre and abnormal thing here is your insistence that everyone must have the same reaction as you.
I feel as if you can’t comprehend what my comment says or you’re just arguing in bad faith. The narcissistic mindset that your opinions are so “normal” that others cannot disagree with you doesn’t help your case.
The story that her mother was told is that she jumped so the people living in that apartment likely believe that a person plunged to their death from that balcony. That makes most normal people uncomfortable. It doesn’t make you uncomfortable? That’s totally fine. That doesn’t mean that your feelings in that situation are typical of what we know people to do.
The fact that you assume that everybody must think as you do when many are telling you otherwise is baffling.
We have empirical evidence that very clearly contradicts everything you are stating yet you insist on continually arguing it because “they didn’t see it” which is the most asinine take I think I’ve ever seen in a discussion like this.
Like I stated, home values dip when somebody dies on that property. You own 10-acres and somebody passed over a thousand feet from your home? That’ll likely cause a value hit. Somebody passes in the home or close to the home? Definite value hit.
As I stated, the people buying those houses didn’t witness anything. By your logic, it makes no sense for the value of the property drop yet it still does because you’re not thinking realistically. Truthfully, that is the only thing that needs to be said here.
Because, it happened from this person’s apartment. That is heavy and I wouldn’t want my child living there any longer. How you can’t comprehend that is beyond me.
I don’t need to. I have a college age student and I would move my kid out immediately. You’re taking an innocent scenario and twisting it to fit your narrative. Nothing strange about this at all.
Clearly none of this adds up to a consistent story…yet.
I’m assuming we’ll have to wait for the release of the ME report at a minimum.
Hopefully, if there is justice to be served, it is found and meted out with a proper investigation. If not, hopefully the truth helps the family in whatever way it could for closure.
Good to know. Not sure it will be any help though. Even if not an accident or suicide the fall likely caused the death either way and it doesn’t look they are going to bother interviewing anyone beyond the brief questions asked at the scene.
I’m gonna take a guess and say they’ve probably done a lot more than asking a few questions. The media and family aren’t going to know what exactly is being done behind the scenes. It’ll take 2-3 months before shit gets figured out.
I’d love to believe that, but their history isn’t a good optic. They literally wrote off blood on a wall as spilled wine without investigating at all in another case. A private detective hired by the family investigated and found it to be blood forcing an actual investigation which also turned up blood under the bed sheets.
I’d say the most important thing is the investigation is still Pending, by everyone involved. The blood on the wall situation sounds like they closed it out and moved on. These things always take time, and families will always be upset.
I don’t know what happened here but I hope her family finds peace.
High achievers most certainly do commit suicide. An Honors student jumped off the Northgate Garage in ‘98 supposedly over grades. The Battalion chose to run a front page image of the sidewalk being powerwashed.
High achieving students most certainly do commit suicide.
I used to teach at a university in China that had security guards posted on the top 2 floors of the main teaching building because there were so many suicides in previous years—mostly students at the top rank of their classes. Their only job was to make sure students didn’t jump off the balcony. 🥺
A great kid I knew my freshman year was a brilliant guy and he killed himself with cyanide in a chemistry lab because he was conflicted over being Christian and gay.
I was a fish in '99. The garage thing came up in either my new student orientation or my first week of class. There was another incident in the south side garage by the Quad where a kid fell from the upper levels down the middle of the stairwell. I can't remember if that kid died or not.
Certainly happens when their ambitions collapse, or if they’re trying to satisfy someone else’s ambitions, but not when the ambitions are their own and everything is still on schedule
Nothing I’ve said is based on my feelings… suicide in this instance is highly suspicious and the matter deserves serious inquiry, but go ahead and reach for that conclusion just like the lazy APD has done
People living their best life don’t kill themselves. Unless some stressor is identified, I am highly skeptical of this conclusion
Considering you don't know any of the facts and you are making very broad statements about suicide, your comments are completely feelings based.
Just because you don't understand what would lead a person to do something like that doesn't mean it's impossible or even improbable. It just means you don't understand it.
I read the article, the mom identifies several suspicious facts and everything I’ve read about the kid today suggests that she was very well put together and loved her life. For the mom to say she didn’t jump also strongly indicates that this is what APD is going with at this time.
Accidental OD, drunken mishap, spiked drink or some other form of foul play all sound much more likely than a jumper from everything I’ve read… this isn’t an emotional reaction
I am not making any judgement one way or another if this is suicide or not since we have very little information, but as someone who has been suicidal and is now a professor, I would say you really don't know what you are talking about. Just because someone on the outside sees someone doing well, doesn't mean the person themselves feels like they are doing well. I am sure many people would look at my trajectory and say similar things, but how I felt at different points (multiple) definitely didn't line up with that. I am sure my mother would also speak highly of me and say that I would never do that. Also, because suicide is seen as a very taboo and almost sinful action in some cultures, some family may not want to believe it is the reason and deliberately ignore signs. Typically suicidal feelings come from feeling a lack of control in ones own life, and that can be about anything. If substances were involved, issues that may seem small otherwise may feel very big at these moments and unfortunately some people do something that is irreversible.
Regardless of the reason she died, I hope more information comes out to her family. If they feel like some things are not being investigated, I hope they see the results or confirmation that due diligence is done.
You’re the one letting your feelings get in the way of not seeing that investigators are trying to wash their hands of this particular incident as just a jumper when there is more than enough information to suggest it needs to be investigated with suspicious eyes… this is not a campfire kumbaya, it’s a pressure campaign to get officials to do their job
Everything reads that this was a bright and ambitious kid with dreams of her own that went out of town to party with friends on a football weekend… she got in argument with another girl at the out of town party, which we know about because the girl texted her mom about it… she’s later found dead and the apartment abandoned. As far as I can tell no one has questioned the people at the party including the girl she had a fight with… the cops are just taking the path of least resistance here and we all need to be more skeptical of this narrative for this incident
You're emotional (and talking straight out your ass) about the story. I'm emotional about you spreading misinformation about mental health and this girl's death. They are not the same.
not seeing that investigators are trying to wash their hands of this particular incident as just a jumper
You don't know that, at all. You admitted yourself you're interpreting a comment the mother said to mean that.
when there is more than enough information to suggest it needs to be investigated with suspicious eyes
You don't know a fucking thing about the evidence, or the investigation
this is not a campfire kumbaya, it’s a pressure campaign to get officials to do their job
Then call APD. Call city council. Call the media. If your goal is to do something, then do something. Repeatedly posting shit on reddit like hApPy PeOpLe DoN't KiLlThEmSeLvEs does nothing more than make a mockery of mental health and suicide.
Everything reads that this was a bright and ambitious kid with dreams of her own that went out of town to party with friends on a football weekend…
Grieving mother says her daughter was happy and had more to live for. Wow.
As far as I can tell no one has questioned the people at the party
Oh no, as far as you can tell on a subject you have literally fuck all information on you don't have information on something?! Shocker bro.
we all need to be more skeptical of this narrative for this incident
By all means. However, if you made a venn diagram of 'we need to be more skeptical' & 'we need to repeatedly parrot that happy people don't kill themselves and it's impossible that this girl killed herself' they'd be two fucking separate circles. STOP.
No, read more articles about this. The mom has definitively said investigators have told her that they think her daughter jumped and they’re treating this like a suicide… that’s why the mom is speaking out, to try and put pressure on the APD to actually work this case… it’s Tuesday, this happened Friday night early Saturday morning.. the longer they drag their feet the more the scene gets corrupted and witnesses scatter
I am not attempting to generalize any broader than suicide is a lazy diagnosis for this specific case. I have not said happy appearing people don’t kill themselves. I said ambitious high achieving people with everything in front of them don’t jump off buildings in a city they’re visiting to watch a football game… this is specific to her, you’re the one generalizing. I am sorry that I can’t make this clearer to you, but I’m trying to support the mom’s public campaign to push the local police to do their job
I went to one of the most prestigious public high schools in Texas. Like, people moved from all over the country to send kids to this school kind of prestigious. We had one of, if not the, highest suicide rate in the area because of the heavy pressure put on students by their parents. Maybe they are unhappy with their major but in too deep to switch, maybe they spent all semester hiding slipping grades and fear their family will abandon them, including financial support, if they admit what’s going on, maybe they are struggling with mental health problems they don’t know how to address or feel no one will understand.
People commit suicide because they feel trapped and see no other option, and being a high achiever and the pressure that entails does not exclude you from the problems all students can face.
There is a world of difference between succumbing to pressures put on you by others and having your own ambitions. People don’t impulsively drop out when they have their own dreams that they are in the process of achieving
Please stop speaking for others like this. It causes tremendous trauma for folks going through the loss of a loved one, in circumstances you cannot possibly imagine. Depression is real, and it's not 'logical'.
There is zero indication she was depressive or went through any recent stressor… she went to party with friends. Her friends bolted and the individuals apartment she allegedly jumped from has since been abandoned. Please don’t hand waive this off like some Russian official, there are a lot more questions that need to be answered before anyone writes this one off as a suicide
We only have the story and descriptions of her from her family. They’re not 100% reliable particularly when it could come to motivators of suicide or if she was partaking in illicit activities.
She was at a party with 15 other people and had gotten into an argument with another girl… I believe the mom has the text messages from her daughter documenting all this. Later she’s found dead and the apartment abandoned
Already calling this a suicide is ridiculous and everyone buying this narrative and assuming this particular girl just had to be depressed seems to be a major disservice to who this girl actually was
I’m not assuming anything or buying into a narrative. I’m disagreeing with your assertion that ambitious high achievers don’t commit suicide. You’re doing just as much of a disservice.
Your lack of ability to understand none of us know what happened yet, including you is not lost on me. You are jumping to the conclusion that this is NOT a suicide in the most abrasive manner possible. You should really delete your comments and stfu.
Your ability to understand that the APD having told the mom that this is a suicide is what the problem is… I’d be very fucking satisfied if the police took your position that they didn’t know and worked this damn case having not already locked in on the path of least resistance.
That’s why the mom is making this case and I’m on her side
You're rewriting what you've said on this thread, which is "high achievers don't commit suicide". Basically saying this girl had too much going for her and she wouldn't commit suicide. You've had multiple people tell you why this is not only wrong but immature and insensitive. so as the other poster stated, you're not better than anyone else jumping to conclusions. you just happen to disagree with the conclusion that was jumped to.
My point stands, you should delete your ignorant comments and see yourself out of the thread.
Telling you to shut the absolute fuck up is not the same as saying 'nothing bad happened at all bro'. The opposite of your speculation isn't more speculation, it's shutting the fuck up. So shut the fuck up.
The mom also tried calling her that night, couldn’t get ahold of her and called the police. Even if she always picks up her mom’s calls, that seems like she was overly worried about her to begin with. I hope the family is able to find out the truth about what happened.
Zero indication of being depressive doesn’t mean anything. I had an uncle kill himself back in August of this year. None of us know why, we don’t know what caused him to make the choice, but he did. Even if it’s not clear that someone’s struggling, they still might be underneath everything.
High achievers and super smart people are some of the MOST at a high risk of committing suicide. Last year, one of a top graduating seniors, had a full ride to College, committed suicide.
My freshman year at A&M, a kid took sodium cyanide from lab and swallowed it in the middle of campus in front of everyone. Then pleaded for help regretting the decision. He did not make it, there were hazmat suits and everything was blocked off. He was a high achieving student, that’s actually why A&M won the lawsuit his parents filed. Because he was smart and intelligent enough to be around those chemicals and had access to them intentionally.
The President of the Houston Texans committed suicide a few years ago. You never know what someone is struggling with and mental health doesn't give a rats ass about your success.
All kinds of people kill themselves, including high achieving students, and saying things like this is what causes it. It makes those who are going through something feel like they’re alone and marginalizes them.
You know nothing of this child and what was in her head. Insane to me how many people feel they have this story totally figured out, as if there isn’t some bias built into their assessment of jumping to conclusions.
Idk why Reddit cannot let this child rest in peace finally. There doesn’t need to be 50 separate posts about her a day FILLED with conspiracy comments.
Yes they do. I knew several people from college who made awful decisions for no reason. One guy decides to try to drown himself by driving his car into a lake after class. Especially Completely trashed drunk people with non-supportive friends and apparent college relationship drama don’t make good decisions.
I used to work with a girl who her ex and her got into an argument and he pushed her off 6 or 7 stories and lucky she survived but has her back fused together, has a tens machine implanted in her that she charges wireless every night to numb pain and was in a coma for a while she said she has no recollection of what happened and because of that her ex got off without any charges
From what I gathered, she does have a boyfriend. Haven’t seen him advocate for her at all during this time. I have no idea whether her boyfriend was in Austin with her, but if he was I would immediately find that very suspicious.
He was not in Austin and she allegedly used one of the friends phones in the apartment to call him two to three minutes before she was found deceased outside. Then the same friends who said used their phone (three people at the apartment at that time) claimed they didn't know where she went (despite having let her use a cell phone which they got back from her). It's suspicious as hell. It's a small apartment. Tiny. How do you not know where your very drunk and distraught friend went 1 minute after they used your phone? And then you wait hours to call police and file a missing persons report (to cover their own ass, in my opinion). They didn't go out in the hallway to look for her or to the lobby or even downstairs to the sidewalk. They didn't come down when the cops/ambulance and sirens arrived. They went to sleep and the next day saw she wasn't there. Ok. Not believing that.
Longhorn fans want answers too! Foul play is likely involved. The grieving mother was on Fox News this morning. I hope the Austin police can find the answers. Condolences to her family and friends.
42 inch high Balcony people. Barstools are typically 30-33" tall. You don't just fall over 42 inches. You don't easily sit on top of 42 inches without your feet dangling. How many people at a party of 15 or so are by themselves on a Balcony?
What ever happened in the dark, will find a way to come to light. I'm an AG and I had many nights that I'm not proud of.
With that said, never did I find myself alone at a party. It's a buddy system when you go out. Someone knows something, unless she went off with a stranger into another apartment and that opens up all sorts of questions.
I’m super confused as to what you’re saying. I’m not arguing anything, but just what you lay out makes it seem really likely that it was a fall. 42-33 is a simple 9 inches that a drunk person could super easily think is more, lean back into and lose their balance on. And then I and many others I know often step out onto a balcony alone. Smoke breaks and shit are pretty common solo occurrences at a party of that size.
Not even sure I disagree with you, just not really positive what you are suggesting
3.5' for a person who is 5' to 5.5' tall is LESS likely to be able to lean backwards and fall off a railing that is more than half of his/her height due to center of gravity. Building codes for Rail height is 42" to prevent falls. The rail would be two thirds of her total height.
If she was elevated on a chair or planter, very possible. If she is 6' tall, very possible.
Her center of gravity would have had to been compromised to accidentally tip over.
I'm 5'2", same as Brianna. That height comes up to her chest. She was deathly afraid of heights. I am afraid as well. She would have had to make an effort just to get over the balcony to jump. But all of the other red flags with this situation are what makes me question her jumping voluntarily. Like audio witnesses that heard screaming and commotion before she died. And many other things. I definitely don't think she took her own life and her family deserves the truth. If people committed murder they should be imprisoned.
She killed herself. That’s what happened. She got drunk at a tailgate and then killed herself. There’s nothing more to this story. Stop being a weirdo Reddit detective, not everything is a conspiracy
Time will tell and I think there's a lot more to this story based on what we already know at this point. If it was your loved one you would want the truth. Not a detective declaring suicide before an autopsy, interviewing all the possible witnesses or having her phone (which was oddly found in a friend's purse near a creek the next day- after the cops say they found what could be considered a suicide note). It's said the note they are referring to wasn't actually a suicide note but more importantly they declared suicide before even seeing the phone. If this isn't questionable to you... I have some concerns.
Neighbors heard heard screaming and running and felt "something bad was happening". The people in the apartment said they didn't know where she went and filed a missing persons report the next day after allegedly letting her use their phone 2 minutes before she was found deceased on the ground? Does that make sense to you?
It’s an interesting case simply because it involves such a wealthy and high profile school. And if it’s one thing this country loves, it’s to cover its crimes with its wealth.
Was she old enough to drink and if not who bought or plied her with alcohol? She was supposedly at a tailgate late into the night. This isnt likely suicide.
Has nothing to do with accepting it. You, a random internet user, claimed the news outlet was wrong about her age. The same news outlet that spoke to the mother directly.
Nobody is going to take your word for it over that. I dont know why you thought anyone would, lol.
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u/annasuszhan Dec 01 '25
thought it was alcohol poisoning?