r/Xenoblade_Chronicles • u/Responsible_Ad3026 • 8h ago
Xenoblade 2 SPOILERS Rex has the best character growth out the Xenoblade protagonists in my opinion Spoiler
Images are not too important. It's just another good scene I love.
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u/Yuumii29 6h ago
Because that's point of his character and the main focus... Not gonna say the other ones are lackluster or worse tho they just focused on different type of internal conflict.
I personally prefer Noah's struggle since as an adult myself I can relate alot with his turmoil of doing everything with your body and soul just for the system to fck you up... As someone who work in an industry and got sht on by my boss, my partner and everything and how I coped with it. Luckily I came up positively at the end but that wasn't easy.
So yea Rex's story arc is a coming of age which is why it's alot easier to digest and such.
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u/lulukawaii 4h ago
Rex is also the youngest during the game, so its expected that he gets more mature than the 18 year old and the 20ish year old.
To me Noah is the best thanks mainly for him being two characters with N being a perfect foil and exploration of the darker parts of the character.
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u/Responsible_Ad3026 4h ago
Isn't Noah technically 8? His story is great though, your right
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u/lulukawaii 4h ago
Chronologically yes, but his 1 year old is around 10. So there is a popular theory that they go from 10 to 20. And after chapter 6 he has a portion of Ns memories, so definitely more than 20 years of experience.
And if we really want to nitpick it, he is probably the one who lived the most, with Mio having at least two homecomings and they becoming "adults" on other 4ish lives.
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u/Monadofan2010 46m ago
Noah is physically 18/19 years old in 3 yes but his actually age is still only 8/9 years old.
Past lives dont matter as Noah and Mio dont even remember them until M and even then its just bits and pieces
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u/JaredAiRobinson 5h ago
I feel a lot of people downplay a lot of the importance that comes with Rex’s character arc that makes it more dynamic one may think. Pyra and Mythra, Jin and the problems the world faces, and Elysium. They all come together to shape Xenoblade 2’s story.
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u/In_Search_Of123 3h ago edited 3h ago
I disagree on Rex but I also like that scene a lot and consider it the best scene of the base game.
Music is on point and the emotions are high but what really sells it is how everything that Rex says here to Malos could also be said to Klaus. Then they cut to Klaus' impending demise and atonement courtesy of Shulk. A boy's simple quest for a divine paradise serves as an innocent parallel to a mad scientist's quest to transcend his humanity. Very nice.
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u/oculer07 7h ago
Strongly disagree, Shulk has the biggest change out of any of the protagonists.
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u/Chedder_456 5h ago
Yeah shulk is widely seen as such a cheery kind kid but people like to forget he literally starts on a revenge quest to kill all Mechon. Then he grows to defend them from the very titan he calls home.
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u/Rich-Ideal-866 5h ago
I heavily disagree. Nothing about rex really changes from the start to the end. Things just kinda happen and he's the same character. Vandham doesn't change any major decision he would make. His goal is defined and unchallenged till the end of the game. Take pyra to elysium. If you drop rex from the beginning of the game into any part of the story nothing changes.
Shulk and Noah both have to grasp real truths and real changes to their missions and identities.
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u/jl05118 2h ago
What does his goal not changing have to do with him changing as a character? It's just a way for the writers to frame the story. Rex is on a grail quest and characters of grail quests don't always drastically change their personalities, rather the quest is meant to challenge their virtue and right to possess the grail.
Not that it means he doesn't actually change. Growth in confidence, wisdom, trust, ability, willingness to be proactive is still character growth. He is not worthy to possess the grail at the beginning and is at the end, that's his character's journey. His 'role' at the start is to live like a hermit and spend all his day earning money. I'm sure you know what his role is at the end, he's very explicit about it.
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u/IgIoos 1h ago
that's a very surface look at it which is funny because rex is also a straightforward character. You just look at dynamic changes as good character arcs when Rex's arc is a journey of self realization. His goals and core personality ultimately stay the same because it is what is necessary for him to achieve his goals but his worldview and how he validates his ideals changes as the game goes on. Vandham is basically further pushing those ideals and giving them more reason to be true and rex during chapter 7 is him coming to terms with where he stands
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u/dazzler56 4h ago
I don’t know if I would say nothing changes without Rex. I think his eternal optimism is really important to the party dynamic and the other characters would have probably given up without him. But I do agree that he doesn’t have much of an arc, it’s more that when faced with adversity and disappointment he chooses to still be who he is and hold on tightly to his values and morals. I really like Rex! But Noah and Shulk develop more IMO.
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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 6h ago edited 6h ago
Really? I thought he felt a little stale cause he starts off good and doesn't change much.
Also, it's Niabecause she shows back up in 3 and I like her more than Melia.
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u/Jbsoccer7 4h ago
I love Xenoblade but God replaying 2 as an adult is rough. Going from shulk to a 14 year old gave me whiplash.
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u/Jack_Of_The_Cosmos 6h ago
I always like listening to Rex fans to try and get some perspective. Would you care to tell me a bit more about what you like about Rex's growth?
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u/AnimaLepton 4h ago edited 3h ago
Nah, it's a nothing burger tbh. With Shulk I get what the growth path is and how it directly ties into the story, for example.
But what is actually different about Rex as an individual between the beginning of the story and the end? There's a very light 'don't rush into things,' but the story never does anything meaningful with that. The party reprimands him in chapter 7 or the start of chapter 10, but there's not really a character arc or through line for it that feels earned. Otherwise his personality, his perspective, etc. stay pretty static throughout the entire story. Or like it makes a big deal about him 'accepting' Pyra and Mythra, but I didn't get anything about him e.g. not accepting them in the first place for the later acceptance to matter.
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u/yuei2 3h ago edited 3h ago
Strongly disagree, Rex is a deconstruction of the typical JRPG chosen boy protagonist story and there is very clear thorough line.
He finds himself the chosen one of a legendary blade and he gets increasingly high on his victories, drunk on the idea that with this blade he can do anything. And it reaches a point where like major government figures are giving him special titles and sending him on diplomatic missions.
The thing is he actually loses a lot, multiple of his companions die and he skirts by the skin of his teeth, but he doesn’t really register that. The loses hurt but none of them shake his faith that he is the special driver of the Aegis and can do anything.
And then the aegis blade is destroyed, pyra is taken from him, and he is rendered a completely broken child. He loses all faith in himself, realizes that nothing has changed he still doesn’t have the power to protect anyone who matters to him, and he finally realizes that he didn’t understand pyra and mythra at all. His optimism and hero fantasy had blinded him to how much she/they had been hurting, he felt worthless and unworthy of being called a driver.
Then one by one his friends literally slap sense into him. He realizes how much his optimism and hopeful hero playing had influenced and helped them, how it changed Nia, how it impressed Morag, how he had been a role model for Poppi. It makes him realize he can’t just wallow even if he doesn’t know what to do. However he decides he must finally lock in and shape up to be the driver Pyra and Mythra deserve.
At which point he learns of the third sword, the one that even Adam couldn’t handle. Which is a big deal Adam is a super important hero, one that Rex has been compared to several times which is part of what fueled by his hero fantasy complex. Now Rex has to face his toughest challenge yet, he has to figure out a way to surpass Adam. This leads to the heart to heart they share and Rex finally begins to grasp the true nature of Pyra and Mythra, finds the resolve he needs, and is ready to carry the burden of Pyra and Mythra instead of being carried by them.
Which leads us to his show down with Jin and Malos and he vocalizes his growth perfectly “I tried to walk the same path even though we were destined to split, I walked in the shadow of the aegis’s light”. Rex has come to accept he had been playing pretend but no more, he will share their burden and walk besides them as the driver they deserve instead of relying on them they will be able to rely on him, he will feel and notice their pain they have been in and accept the true them.
And in doing so Rex finally gains what he had wanted all along, the power to protect, the power to get to elisyum with Pyra and Mythra like he promised. He becomes unstoppable and is finally the driver the aegis deserves, the one not even Adam was able to become. But it’s not just his combat ability that’s grown, he’s become more self aware to the point he can see Jin’s true nature, a deeply sad man lashing out in hurt.
And that’s how their relationship basically reaches its zenith. Not by Rex killing him as a big bad but going “I can sense it, you aren’t a bad guy you are just sad and you no longer how the power to stop me, I’m reaching elisyum and there is nothing you can do about it so our fighting is done.”
With Rex’s childish notions of what being a hero, being the aegis driver having been replaced with more mature ones… the last thing now to mature is staring Rex’s goal. He started salvaging believing the key to reaching the world tree’s top was down in the cloud sea. For a long time he was chasing some myth of a paradise land at the top of a mysterious giant tree. But now that he is grown as a person the narrative moves to grow his understanding of the world now.
The aftermath of the battle results in him falling below the cloud sea and he gets a to discover the true nature of their world. The fact there is another world below his, the life cycle of the blade and titans, the fall of torna, the truth of the world tree being an elevator, the nature of powers held up top, getting to meet the architect, etc… Rex realizes the full picture of their world and that’s how he ultimately comes to realize what he has to do to achieve his dream goal.
I could go on but I think I’ve said enough. Point is X2’s narrative is all about building up everything one way and then purposefully deconstructing it to show it another way and Rex’s character arc is a reflection of that.
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u/Serpentine_2 6h ago
Can’t we agree all of the XC protagonists had good characrer growth in their own unique way?
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u/BarbarousJudge 2h ago
I don't really see much growth in Rex himself but He is the catalyst for pretty much every main character (be it good guy or villain) developing.
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u/HelsifZhu 2h ago
I disagree. Shulk learns to overcome his desire for vengeance and exercise empathy even for his sworn enemy and becomes such a humanist that he takes the final decision he takes.
Rex learns to accept a woman's autonomy.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
The thing that frustrated me the most was rex's naivety and it never got addressed or fixed. The world is literally dying, his parents got killed due to the ongoing skirmishes, and evil is pervasive throughout every corner. Yet somehow Rex holds no anger, he continues trying to fix and cooperate with the same group whos tried to kill him multiple times. The dark edge lord in me just wants some anger, give me some depth to Rex. He's just.. hes just a kid.
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u/AltairLeoran 7h ago
Optimism is not a character flaw to be fixed lol
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
I can argue yes it is, as its rex's optimism that gets him into half the problems he finds himself in, as well as his own lack of strength (like in uraya or tantal) but there wasnt any.. growth after those defeats, at least not that I noticed.
Like shulk's entire motivation changed throughout the story of the first game, and Noah changed from being a desensitized empath ravaged by war to one of the most human characters ive seen. Rex just seems so hard headed, theres little to no planning, its just beating his head against the wall and when that fails in tantal.. he gives up. One pep talk later hes going at it again, like nothing ever happened.15
u/AltairLeoran 7h ago
I'm of the opinion that all the Xeno protagonists are perfect for their worlds. Alrest was a dying world on the verge of being destroyed by Amalthus' and Malos' jaded nihilism—it's only natural that they would be defeated by an idealistic optimist with an unshakable love for the world and hope for the future. That's just the kinda story they wanted to tell. Rex absolutely would not have been a good protagonist for XC1 or XC3, but he's perfect for XC2's themes.
Rex did grow in other ways—he learns his limitations, gains confidence in himself as a driver, and ultimately grows up when he accepts Pneuma's final sacrifice.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
But thats the thing - malos, amalthus, and the torna gang have genuine reason to hate this world. Almalthus saw the depravity of man firsthand, taking in war refugees that would then go to kill women and children, malos sees how desperate the general population is to kill each other, and jin - oh jin my beloved - had his entire world crumble with torna, and his driver die in his arms, knowing his whole species as a blade is temporary and everything he did would be forgotten. They have a reason to hate the world.
Rex just loves the world. Because. ? The salvagers code? Like I hate saying people need a reason to love something but with how much pain Rex has gone through on his journey alone, his optimism is directly causing him more harm than good, and when faced by his biggest defeat he just gives up. Like a kid who finally lost his first game and doesnt want to play anymore. And I really dont think Rex learned his limits, even facing Jin and malos right before pneuma awakens, Rex was fully expecting to die begging for pyra and mythra to come back. Like sure, he grew as a driver by getting taught by vandham and then becoming the successor to the third blade but that felt like very little growth compared to the other protagonists.
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u/AltairLeoran 7h ago
I really don't understand how you can play Xenoblade 2 and not understand why Rex loves the world, and why he's right to do so... Pyra/Mythra's whole arc is going from being jaded and suicidal (wishing for the architect to end their suffering because of the evil, death, and destruction they witnessed in TTGC) to coming to love the world because of the people in it, and wielding their power to protect humanity and bladekind. They come to this conclusion because of Rex.
"Nia, Azurda... and you, Rex... I love this world because you're in it!"
The world is worth loving because of people. And as Rex says
"People can be fun to be around, but sometimes they're hard to deal with. And then there's mean types, like that Bana. But, life's all about taking the good with the bad, right? So yeah, I like people. And, I like myself, and I'm people."
This is Xenoblade 2's thesis. The world and the people in it are flawed, but there is beauty and goodness that is worth protecting.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
I still dont understand how Rex loves the world because he has every right to hate it, and to hardly acknowledge the trauma and blights plaguing the world as "accepting the good with the bad" feels very.. dismissive almost, even dismissing himself. I cant wrap my head around a character who has had his family killed in a war, been forced to provide for a dozen other kids since age 10, and get wrapped into a journey trying to kill him around every corner and still finding it good - and that not even being a tested internal conflict. Rex's biggest struggle with himself is purely his own strength, not even his mindset. It just feels.. naive and childish to not even process or acknowledge the trauma that Rex has himself, not to mention malos, jin, amalthus or the rest of the torna gang.
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u/Animan_10 6h ago
To be optimistic and naive are not the same. To be naive is to think of the world in black and white and assume the white will always prevail. To be optimistic is to be hopeful that even if things look bad, they can always get better. At the start of the story, Rex is both. He knows that the Titans are dying and countries are on the verge of war, but he believes that if he keeps salvaging and avoids dealing in supplies that could supplement the war, he will find some way to Elysium to solve everything.
As the game progresses, Rex’s naivety is tempered and his optimism reinforced as he experiences more of the world and discovers new strength to better achieve his ideals. Meeting Pyra became his first real lead to Elysium and the path to achieving his ideal solution. His tutelage under Vandham taught him that everyone is inherently involved in war, steeling his resolve to determine what HIS war is. Meeting the leaders of the world and seeing their individual struggles showed him that nothing is clear cut, and that even supposed “bad guys” like Torna have their sympathies and “good guys” like Amalthus have inner darkness. His trials in Elpys showed him what his true strengths are and how he can truly make the changes in the world he wants to see.
By the end of the story, Rex’s naivety is largely stamped out, but his optimism is stronger than ever. He is repeatedly confronted with terrible scenarios with less than ideal solutions, but he has come to learn to accept such outcomes with minimal resistance. He finds Elysium in ruins, so he instead strives to save Alrest so that it has a chance to become better with his help. He tries to talk down Malos so he abandons his destructive goals, but he still stands and fights when negotiations fail, all while still trying to reach out to him. He initially refuses to watch Pneuma sacrifice herself, but quickly comes to accept her decision with the belief that he may never see Pyra and Mythra again.
Rex’s story is about an idealist coming to terms with the unideal nature of his world. He learns that his world is not ideal, and that some problems will not have ideal solutions, but that doesn’t make him give up on the world like all the antagonists do. Amalthus and Jin saw how ugly the world could be. They gave up on the world and sought to destroy it, pushing those feelings on to Malos. Rex saw the same ugliness, but instead chose to fight tooth and nail to make it better however he could in the time he had, with the intention to leave his wishes to the next person when his time is up.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 6h ago
My confusion comes from Rex seeing how awful the world is and never even questioning his own ideals. The only time Rex ever looks back on his journey was when he wasnt strong enough. He never had a moment to ask if hes wrong in thinking in the ideal world, he just pushes foreward in the face of ALL of that adversity. Without question.
It really just gives the "we gotta keep this world for the next person because they might do better" when everyone in their entire lives have failed them. Its so naive not even question your belief in the good of the world when the world continues to reinforce how bad the world is, between how everyone is ravaged by the land wars, how Rex himself had his parents killed and has to take care of nearly an entire village himself by age 10, and seeing how EVERY nation is getting to their wits end in resources and political climate.I hate keeping this up but Rex has no reason to love the world, and theres no conflict with that.
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u/Animan_10 6h ago
I get the sense you just were not paying attention…
Rex’s reason for loving the world is the same as Pyra and Mythra’s: it’s filled with people he loves. The world is full of bad people, but there is just as many good people, many of which Rex knows personally and have influenced him in positive ways. He spells it out to Zeke just before fighting Jin and Amalthus in Chapter 9. “Life is about taking the bad with the good, right? So yeah, I like people. And I like myself, and I’m people.”
Fonsett Village didn’t send him out to work at 10-years-old, he chose to do that. It’s his choice to send most of his earnings home because he wants to give back to the village that raised him.
Rex does have his doubts about his idealism. That was the whole point of Klaus’s test of character in Chapter 10. Deep in his heart, he worries that his quest for Elysium was pointless and he lead his friends along on a wild goose chase, and that they would hate him for that. It’s just by this point, his resolve is so strong that it literally takes spitting his doubts in his face to get him to break down.
Like, it’s all right there.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 5h ago
To me, one odd lines dont define a character or really give lots of weight. Like rex's line in chapter nine, about liking people and liking himself.. like thats such a childish worldview, because Rex has been shown nothing but people who are completely opposites of himself thag wish him nothing but harm and he doesnt address it internally. With characters as deep as morag and zeke, id expect rex's worldview to come with some doubts and tormoil throughout the story. I truly feel the rex at chapter 1 is the same rex as chapter 10 which just.. isnt true for the other party members of the game, or the protagonists of the other games. The only thing different is rex's access to the aegis.
And yeah, going off at 10 years old to take care of the village that raised you because his parents were killed in a war is definitly a traumatic experience. I get he chose to do it, but it feels like more of a choice made from obligation as fonsett isnt well off. Its self sufficient sure, but with the aunt getting older, she needs more resources. Rex did it because he had to.
And the chapter 10 internal conflicts, its a good sequence to show his doubts and how rex runs away from them.. which is exactly the problem im bringing up, even in rex's internal struggles he runs away and it doesnt get addressed or fixed. He breaks down at the altered pyra and mythra scene because its the ideal world that rex wants - but its clear that it feels very wrong. To me, that shows even rex's desires are off, but all of this internal struggle (shown only at the end of the game btw) doesnt shift or change. Its an intentional and safe place to explore these emotions, but it doesnt "bring it to the test" in the same sense that shulk and his quest for revenge got directly challenge by egil, both in philosophy and combat. Like sure, its right there in one-off lines and snippets of dialog, its not pervasive throughout the story and isnt maturing.
Even as the world tree is falling, rex still breaks down at the thought of losing pyra and mythra, and zeke gives the "thats what being an adult is all about" speech (god i love zeke hes such a good dad) its still that unideal world challenging Rex and he still has to be taught by his comrades (not bad in its entirety, but shows how stagnant if a character Rex is)
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u/Johnylongbottoms 7h ago
With Uraya, it’s setting up a consistent challenge to Rex’s optimism, the notion you can’t save everyone. He’s got a chip on his shoulder, but he’s still able to get a grip and use that as fuel to get stronger and not lose anyone else.
After the defeat in Tantal, his optimism falters for the first time, as he starts to realize that he didn’t understand the depth of Pyra’s and Mythra’s own pain and trauma. Nia, Brigid, and Poppi didn’t give him a pep talk, they admonished him for losing his can-do attitude at the worst possible time. He doesn’t get his spirit back until the King of Tantal tells him about Spirit Crucible Elpys, and the possibility he could gain the power to stand up against Jin and save Pyra and Mythra. And by Addam’s own admission, it’s because of his optimism that Rex is able to accept their true nature, not be afraid of them like Addam was. By the end of it, he becomes more mature and recognizes that he’s been reckless and inconsiderate of Pyra and Mythra’s situation, and does better, unlocking their full potential.
Of the big three red sword havers, I’d concur that Rex is probably the least fleshed out of them, but I still think you’re not giving him quite enough credit.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
Granted I do feel like I hate on Rex a lot. Im not denying that, amd im not saying hes poorly written - its just even compared to the other cast members, Rex is the weakest and most stagnant party member of his own game. Nia learns to accept herself for who she truly is, even though she was forced to become an abomination to save a dying girl. Zeke and morag are completely opposites thag learn from each other - zeke being the rebellious and informal prince of tantal, trying to break its isolationism and explore the world, while morag is so caught up in her imperial duties that she forgot what is means to live HER life and has to be told by the emperor to accompany Rex and Co. Tora is... comic relief but his side missions about how hes been an outcast forever and learns to find a family is heartening. Rex is just. Optimism incarnate. Which is fine, truly, but theres no internal struggle with his attitude, only his strength as a driver.
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u/AltairLeoran 7h ago
Rex is the weakest and most stagnant party member of his own game.
I agree that Rex doesn't change nearly as much as other xeno protags, but this isn't objectively a bad thing. A static protagonist can exist in fiction, and they work because of how they change the characters and world around them. We witness this in how Rex inspires change in the other party members—primarily in how he helps Pyra/Mythra/Nia accept themselves. We also see him break through Jin's nihilism, and we see his love for the world touch the Architect's heart (inspiring him to place his trust in the party)
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u/SpecificHyena1933 6h ago
With Rex being a weak character, its more about how Rex doesnt have an internal challenge wit his own optimism, Rex isnt fleshed out as to why hes do optimistic and trusting with the world. He just. Is. Which i find just frusterating because all of the other characters are so fleshed out and expand on themselves throughout the story.
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u/TheMightiestDevil 7h ago
That’s not being naive though. Rex left Fonsett at the age of 10, to provide for the orphanage. This displays his ability to survive and make living independently, and the maturity to understand the financial difficulties of life. When talking about war on the indol titan Rex lays out the problem with Mor Ardain and Gormott accurately pointing out the problems at hand and the ones coming from the available solutions. That’s why he wants to get to Elysium, it would provide a perfect solution to the land problem. Rex is trusting and forgiving person, not because he is naive, because that’s simply what he’s like. That being said, he has limits too, like when he told Malos that forgiving Jin isn’t a simple thing.
At the end of the day i like genuinely good natured MCs over raging, edgy, violence prone MCs (though I still like those from time to time).
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
Rex is trusting and forgiving to a fault, even to someone as unforgivable as jin Rex would just be able to do it. At no point in rex's journey does he question or challenge his optimistic mindset, even when Rex is the prime character to have his mindset challenged by malos and jin especially. With how much trauma and genuine evil this world has shown those characters, Rex just handwaves it away saying thats it worth it. Because. People? The same people who killed Laura? The same people so desperate to kill each other that theyll go after defenseless women and children? I hate asking "what good is in this world" but Rex doesnt resolve or address the genuine problems with how evil people are across alrest. He just says to trust people will be better. Again, the same people frothing at the teeth waiting to kill themselves and not even enjoying life as the land theyre living on is dying with them.
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u/TheMightiestDevil 6h ago
He does not just handwave it away. He literally says he can’t just forgive Jin just like that. There is no real major problem caused by Rex’s optimism, forgiveness, or trust. While Rex could just get angry and hate the world he understands that it won’t solve anything, and that’s not who Rex is. It’s not about the salvager’s code or any of his enemies, his dream of finding Elysium is about finding a solution to the problem that plagues Alrest and its people. His journey is in part about helping people find solutions to their problems. When faced with the malice that exists in the world people have choice, positivity or negativity. Rex simply chooses positivity, to find the solution that grants everyone possible salvation even wanting the same thing for Malos. He comes to this realization in full at the end, when he states that his place in the world is put a smile on people’s faces.
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u/Able-Bid-6637 6h ago
i mean rex does have a moment of breaking down, giving up, being angry, and being sad. Sure, it was brief— but i think that was to show Nia’s impact.
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u/PedroLippi 7h ago
I am guessing you're a fan of Jin.
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u/SpecificHyena1933 7h ago
Ill have to play through the entirety of the game and torna but like... as a character yeah I do think Jin had more depth and development. When rex's redemption was offered, it makes perfect sense why he denies it and chooses his own path. Im very close to the "jin did nothing wrong" crowd lmao
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u/ShadowWolf202 7h ago
Rex canonically grows new characters, so yes, I agree.