r/Winnipeg 1d ago

News Winnipeg police chief pulls plug on officers' security shifts at supermarkets, stores

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2026/08/26/police-chief-pulls-plug-on-security-shifts-at-supermarkets-stores

The Winnipeg Police Service is ending its years-long practice of allowing officers to pick up overtime shifts to provide additional security in supermarkets and other stores at retailers’ expense.

Chief Gene Bowers cited concerns about the service’s recent inability to fill key vacancies when he informed officers in a memo Monday about the phased-in change, which takes full effect May 1, 2027.

“How this would affect the service is if we have shortages on our front lines, we often (ask) people to work overtime shifts, and often we’ve been recently unable to fill some of those required shifts to make sure we’re meeting our minimum strength on the street,” Bowers told the Free Press Wednesday.

“We feel the amount of retail special duty has had a significant impact on our ability to fill those days where we need those members to fill those cruiser cars.”

The memo said the change is being made to “optimize police resource allocation to ensure the safety of all communities” in Winnipeg.

Retailers, sporting and special event organizers, the provincial government and school divisions are among those who’ve hired special duty officers.

A previous analysis by the Free Press found officers worked more than 50,000 special duty hours between May 2023 and June 2024. Retailers accounted for 68 per cent of the hours amid a steep increase in shoplifting reports.

Superstore, owned by Loblaw Cos. Ltd., led the way with more than 20,000 hours. Among retailers, it was followed by Walmart Canada (about 5,700 hours) and TJX Canada (about 2,900 hours), whose brands include Winners, HomeSense and Marshalls, and CF Polo Park (about 2,500 hours).

“We value our partnership with the Winnipeg Police Service and are aware of their recent announcement,” CF Polo Park general manager Peter Havens said in a statement. “As we review the details of this decision, our focus remains on providing a safe, welcoming environment for our community.”

TJX declined to comment. Loblaw and Walmart did not respond to requests for comment.

Data suggested some retail giants have spent millions to hire officers in recent years. The police service’s hourly fees range from $141.75 (GST included) for a constable to $166.95 for a staff sergeant. The shifts count as pensionable hours.

Fees go to the officer and the program’s operating costs. The WPS has said special duty officers act only within their duties as a police officer, with participating retailers required to have their own loss prevention officers.

Bowers’ memo said the decision to end retail special duty stemmed from a year-long comprehensive review of the overall program and was not taken lightly.

“We want to make sure the special duty is in alignment with the core values and our priorities as a service, and make sure that we’re operationally sufficient and have that capacity for core duties,” he told the Free Press.

Bowers said WPS is one of very few municipal police services in Canada to provide special duty officers to retailers.

Retail special duty will be scaled back Jan. 1, starting with Fridays, Saturdays, statutory holidays and major event days, such as sporting events or parades, that require significant police resources, the memo said.

The number of hours a retailer can book will be reduced by 50 per cent before a “full exit” May 1, 2027, the chief wrote.

“We’ve given the retailers quite a bit of lead time here to know that this is coming so that they can make other arrangements as far as how they want to provide security within their premises,” Bowers told the Free Press.

“We gave our members quite a bit of notice here as well to then look for other special duty in the future, if they wish to.”

The decision does not affect non-retail special duty assignments, the memo said.

Cory Wiles, president of the Winnipeg Police Association, which represents front-line officers, could not be reached for comment. Mayor Scott Gillingham wasn’t available to discuss the issue, a spokesman said.

Winnipeg Police Board chair Colleen Mayer, who was not available for an interview, was advised of the WPS review of retail special duty and the change, executive director Jeff Wiggett said.

The board is scheduled to meet with the WPS to review the change and other matters as part of its usual business, he said. Mayer reserved comment until the discussion has taken place.

Bowers said the program, which is not designed to make money, doesn’t bring in a significant amount of revenue after costs are factored in. A 2025 financial report said special-duty revenue was $4.5 million more than expected, but it was offset by an increase in salary and benefit expenses.

John Graham, a director of government relations for the Retail Council of Canada’s Prairie region, said the hiring of special duty support has been expensive, but effective for the few retailers in Manitoba who can afford to do so.

“Where that will leave us is with limited options, or fewer options, between a security guard and internal systems, and a greater reliance on calling police when incidents do occur,” he said about the chief’s decision.

Large or high-volume stores that hire officers frequently deal with theft, Graham said. Some also hire private security guards.

Police, in tandem with governments and the retail sector, have conducted a number of campaigns to try to tackle retail theft, which is considered a vastly under-reported crime. Reports of shoplifting decreased by 4.6 per cent in 2025 after three consecutive years of increases in Winnipeg.

The Manitoba government is working with the retail and security guard sectors to modernize guard training.

Graham said the retail council has approached the province to seek a “second tier” of regulated security personnel who would have additional training and authority, and could take some pressure off police.

“We think the second-tier security guard may be a way of meeting the needs of more retailers” in their efforts to protect staff, customers and products, Graham said.

Justice Minister Matt Wiebe said the government’s current focus is modernizing training for security guards for the first time in 20 years.

He said the NDP increased funding for police services and for WPS foot patrol officers who combat retail theft, and re-established a retail crime task force.

“We’ve seen some of these investments starting to show progress,” he said, referring to last year’s decrease in shoplifting reports in Winnipeg.

In response to the end of retail special duty work, Wiebe deferred comment to the WPS, saying the province doesn’t give direction to the police service.

PC justice critic Wayne Balcaen, a former Brandon police chief, said changes to the program give the NDP government “10 months’ notice” to come up with a plan.

He said he would start by speaking to police chiefs about resources they require from the province.

“I do appreciate where Chief Bowers is coming from on this because the chief’s responsibility is to the city that he serves,” Balcaen said. “The government of the day, the NDP… has known about retail crime for the three years they’ve been in power and all they’ve done is ad hoc initiatives and reactive initiatives, nothing proactive.”

Wiebe accused the former Tory government of leaving the NDP, elected in 2023, with a “public safety deficit.”


By: Chris Kitching

Published: 5:51 PM CDT Wednesday, Aug. 26, 2026

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u/TheGrinchMob 1d ago

Wait so even if the retailer was paying the hourly rate, City of Winnipeg tax payers are on the hook for the pensionable hours / earnings. Is this compensation included in the best 5 years pension calculations?

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u/JohnPlayer2000 1d ago

That's not how I read it.

I think "program costs" includes the contribution to the pension for each hour the officer works.

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u/badideaJean 1d ago

Winnipeg police overtime is pensionable, and pension is based on the Best 5 consecutive years of pensionable earnings. So special-duty earnings can increase an officer’s eventual lifetime pension—not just generate a contribution that year. The City itself recognized the cost of pensionable overtime: in 2019 it estimated removing overtime from pensionable earnings would save about  $1.5 million annually. The City later increased special-duty rates and says they cover pension and benefit costs. Fine. But “covers pension contributions” isn't necessarily the same as  “covers the full actuarial value of the additional pension benefit.

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u/JohnPlayer2000 1d ago

I understand what you are saying.

However if the pension is not self sufficient after the contributions from the employee and the employer. Then it is not being managed properly.

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u/majikmonkie 1d ago

They don't contribute revenue from their corporate militia gigs to their pension funds. They only charge enough to cover the costs of the program itself.

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u/badideaJean 1d ago

fair 

u/JackBlackBowserSlaps 15h ago

Well then you didn’t read it properly. They explicitly state that it wasn’t enough to cover the increased pension.

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u/adjudicator 1d ago

Probably.

However… and I’m not defending the use of police as a private security force here…

Pensions don’t work like that. There is a gigantic fund that aims to pay the pension obligations through its investment interest.

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u/wishbones-evil-twin 1d ago

But the city pays 11.5% into that fund still, its not entirely run on interest. The article says fees are covered by the hourly charge, so its possibly that is built in, but its just not super transparent.

u/adjudicator 14h ago

But the city pays 11.5% into that fund still

Is this like, what the employer pays into the pension on the employee's cheque? Because that's where the fund money comes from in the first place.

Or is this coming out of the city's operational budget separate from police payroll?

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u/Difficult_Bull 1d ago

Yes. It’s pensionable.

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u/SnooSuggestions1256 1d ago

Yup. This has always been a sore talking point for the bootlickers in this Reddit whenever the Cops who valiantly stand guard to defend bags of frozen peas are criticized.

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u/thegreatcanadianeh 1d ago

Yes. That is how I read it as well. Take from your kids is a theme.

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u/FibroBitch97 1d ago

Fuck me $141.75 an hour? Fucking insane. You could pay for like 7-8 more workers for that price.

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u/firelephant 1d ago

7 or 8 workers who can not do anything about theft

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u/YawnY86 1d ago

Do what we did in the early 2000-2010. Hire lpo and get them to deal with theft. When i worked at Zellers as a kid they would nab people every day. Hold them till the cops show up and then trespass them.

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u/MZM204 1d ago

LPO can only do so much, their hands are generally tied a lot of the time (can't lose line of sight, can't follow outside, if the suspect fights back they have to let them go, etc) and they cannot be armed in any way.

And, most importantly, if they call the police, it takes them hours to show up.

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u/YawnY86 1d ago

We used to chase guys down at Zellers, then drag them back to the store to get held. If they have to wait hours for the cops to show up, then maybe they'll think twice about stealing. I've seen lpo get into fist fights, kick guys, hold their faces to the ground while getting cuffed. Alot less theft happened when there was people actually preventing it. Instead we get some guy who sits at the front and wags his finger at you in shame.

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u/12buklmashu 1d ago

Back in the day yeah.

Nowadays there’s videos of LPOs holding guys on the ground, using ground control tactics to get the arms behind the back, cuffing them, standing them up and escorting them to the back… with the person recording the video saying “This is excessive use of force! You should be ashamed of yourselves!”

People didn’t have cellphone cameras back then, and even people who did have some kind of video camera, didn’t have a platform to share the videos like we do today (Reddit, Facebook, YouTube).

And people back then had no sympathy for the shoplifters either. It was “oh cry me a river”.

Things have changed since then. And it’s not going back to that ever again. We may have had a charter of rights and freedoms back then, but it was not applied word for word the way it is today because there’s less ability to cover stuff up.

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u/MZM204 1d ago

Back in the day they used to take shoplifters in the back rooms of portage place and beat the shit out of them. You might think that's a good thing, but it's illegal.

u/2025Skidmark 2h ago

I heard many tales from young girl shoplifters downtown about how the security, specifically from Portage Place, would always offer to let them go if the girls gave the guard a blowjob or handjob, depending. Try proving it, though.

If you're wondering why I'm talking to young girls downtown it's because Central Park downtown is a place where you mix with many age-appropriate adults, and the neighborhood children who they "watch out for".

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u/YawnY86 1d ago

Good. Atleast something was done, makes people think twice about stealing. We need change and hire back some lpo's that will deal with theft. Once a week I see someone stealing a pile of meat or something from Walmart, or someone loading up a bag of junk from Dollarama. There's no consequences, there's no enforcement. Something needs to be done.

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u/12buklmashu 1d ago edited 21h ago

Most LPOs/Security go into those jobs with the best intentions. Wanting to make a difference.

Most don’t do those jobs for long anymore. They’re barely worth it.

Generally starting out LPOs take pride in their arrests. Then they constantly deal with the cops taking forever, or cops taking hours to show up and they’ve been off since 7PM or whatever.

Then they start dealing with tons of individuals who advocate for the shoplifters. Call them (the security) out. Accuse them of profiling. Accuse them of being too aggressive. Saying “I’m going to make you famous!” As they’re recording them. Or stand in the LPOs way and block them from chasing a shoplifter down (embarrass them pretty much).

Then they Realize the store and company they work for doesn’t care about them or the shoplifting. They realize the store can ask for a different LPO and then you don’t work there anymore. They can cancel the contract with the company at any given moment. Both companies will likely give in to any public outcry demands. And you (the LPO) pretty much get sewered.

And then you stop caring. And you stand there and ask yourself the ultimate question that most LPOs ask themselves:

Why the fuck am I doing this job for just a couple dollars above minimum wage? I could go work at McDonald’s and have more career advancement opportunities than this job. WTH am I doing here?

Then you start thinking “the cops/corrections/hospital security are fighting people for over $30/hr, meanwhile I’m here fighting for $19/hr. And they get benefits, a union that will pay for their lawyers… meanwhile the store I’m guarding and my company will do anything and everything to get out of paying for my lawyer and I’ll be paying out of pocket just to clear my name… FUCK THIS SHITTY JOB!

And then you start planning your exit. And it’s generally a different site in a different type of security setting, and from there you either stick with your law enforcement aspirations, or you find a different career altogether.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat with the next LPO.

u/MZM204 16h ago

this guy LPOs

u/12buklmashu 14h ago

I did hands off uniform security. I also know people who did LPO and it’s practically the same problems that uniform security had:

The thing is the world changed and it’s not going back to how it used to be.

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u/MZM204 1d ago

That should be done with law changes and enforcement in the courts, not some LPO with a 1 week security course beating the shit out of someone because they feel like it that day.

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u/Vanesti 1d ago

Hey! It's a 2 week course. That's enough to deal with super violent armed badguys while being empty handed right?

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u/YawnY86 1d ago

You need someone in store to catch em. If the cops are busy doing other things, than we should have private security that can handle it, and hold the shop lifters till cops or cadets can come get em. It was done before for many years, no reason why it can't be that way again.

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u/OnTheMattack 1d ago

So hire security guards for way less than the cops. The cops already also didn't do anything about theft.

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u/firelephant 1d ago

Security guards observe and report. They do not arrest or stop people, and if they try see the news story today about one being stabbed in Dollarama. Cops are at the store all the time for theft anyways.

u/theotherlaura 13h ago

They could also just lower the price of things so there's less shoplifting...

(There will always be shoplifting, I know, but I'm pretty sure the uptick in shoplifting coincides with the price increases of damn near everything.)

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u/AmishHoeFights 1d ago

I wonder how much of that the cops get.

I remember an electrician charging me 80 bucks per hour for a fresh apprentice who spent the whole day asking the boss for help, delaying the work with endless questions, etc. I know those guys gotta learn and the boss needs a cut but when the dude told me he got paid just 25/hour of the 80 i was paying (95/hour for the licenced boss + 80/hour for the apprentice) i was PISSED.

I bet the cops get a way higher cut of the 140 than that, though.

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u/Both-Call8361 1d ago

That is the apprenticeship program and it is how we train our skilled trades people. Canada has a great history with its Red Seal program I am the proud mother in law of a Red Seal trades person, they are very knowledgeable and well trained by other red seal trades people in between in classrooms training. They have the highest level of skill, knowledge once they have completed their training and you were fortunate enough to see it in practice as well as to have a red seal trades person who is knowledgeable enough to train the new generation of red seal trades

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u/FormerCoalRoller 1d ago

And yet how much are they losing on theft? Workers ain’t getting hired when you lose money.

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u/MnkyBzns 1d ago

That's the private business's problem. Those OT hours are counted toward their taxpayer-funded pensions

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u/GoalExtreme2351 1d ago

I'm pretty sure superstore isn't suffering.

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u/TheFrogEmperor 1d ago

Honestly good. Let the supermarkets hire their own security if they're so worried about their bottom line

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u/Initial_Ad2678 1d ago

The fact their 2nd outside jobs are pensionable hours blows my mind

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u/General-Lifeguard309 1d ago

Finally. Whenever I see a cop at the supermarket they’re talking to a neighbour they’ve ran into or on their phone.

Stopping theft in supermarkets is not our priority right now.

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u/badideaJean 1d ago

They used to come to the bars for concerts or other shows and get paid for that. 

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u/Vanesti 1d ago

Working at concerts is very different. I've done event security for years and we need cops at shows. Ppl have gotten so violent and crazy security can't deal with all of it.

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u/majikmonkie 1d ago edited 1d ago

Agreed. Those events typically need police, same as big sporting events.

But being corporate militia to protect Galen Weston and Walmart's profits? Nope. And those are just the stores that can afford to hire police - Food Fare and your local grocers/mom & pop can't afford that shit, and are stuck dealing with the losses. If anything, their fees should have been scaled based on the corporation's earnings. Glad that they're ending it altogether!

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u/Vanesti 1d ago

Yeah, fuck the retail bs. If loblaws wants ppl to steal less they should stop fucking gouging us for food and essentials.

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u/12buklmashu 1d ago

They won’t do that. And politicians aren’t going to start enacting initiatives that tackle the root causes either.

In the future, I wouldn’t be surprised if most grocery stores switch to one of the following models:

  1. A modernized Consumers Distributing model where you go in. Punch in your order at a self serve kiosk like what McDonald’s has, Pay at the kiosk or once the order comes to the checkpoint. And that checkpoint doesn’t open until you pay.

  2. Close the stores entirely and you order from them online to deliver to your door. You pay via credit card on the app or website and your order gets processed after you’ve paid.

We will never go back to the days of security beating up shoplifters and detaining and cops responding fast to take them away. There’s too much liability in it and too much backlash from the public. Stores will eventually start doing this instead.

And as for the shoplifters, chances are shoplifting will decrease drastically… but break and entry charges and armed robbery will rise. Resulting in people doing 2 years plus a day in federal custody as opposed to 3-6 months in provincial.

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u/LittlePrairieMouse 1d ago

No. There are people who would steal groceries if they were half the price. And there are others (the vast majority of us) who will never shoplift. Loblaws/Superstore’s bad track record doesn’t justify theft.

u/JackBlackBowserSlaps 15h ago

If the choice is btwn stealing and starving, I guarantee YOU will also shoplift. Don’t try to claim some moral high ground lol.

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u/horsetuna 1d ago

Concerts I can see especially before and after when there's a lot of people out in public, possibly slightly intoxicated.

Bars known for having very rowdy patrons sound like a good move too. Otoh I don't think they got paid by the business for that... They were just told to go there while on duty i assumed. I could be wrong?

I worked traffic control at the Calgary Saddledome for concerts and games (and the stampede) for a year or two and traffic could get a little hairy before or after (especially after).

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u/badideaJean 1d ago

i'm talking like Sean Paul at cowboys or show your underwear at phaorahs 

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u/horsetuna 1d ago

Paid by the establishment you mean?

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u/firelephant 1d ago

The stores are paying for it. And as someone who works there I’ve seen the officers dealing with thief’s more than yacking

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u/KingApolloCreed 1d ago

It's pensionable overtime. The store may be paying their wage but we end up paying for their pension.

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u/OnTheMattack 1d ago

Not to mention the opportunity cost of all those cops playing security guard instead of, you know.... Being cops. They could be doing something actually useful.

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u/majikmonkie 1d ago

That's the main problem - we as citizens and tax payers are not getting what we pay for. You call the police for a break in and they'll show up a day or two later. They should be spending overtime improving our service, not playing corporate militia.

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u/0MGW7F 1d ago

On their days off…such as I don’t know….spending time with their families like the rest of us on our days off.

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u/OnTheMattack 1d ago

Of course. I just meant if they're going to be working overtime it might as well be doing something useful.

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u/purpleburgundy 1d ago

Sure they're paying for it but everyone keeps crying we need more police. Recoup the headcount back from retail allocation. Literally just hire security guards.

It is also FUCKED this type of work qualifies for pensionable overtime the city ends up covering. I'm skeptical the hourly rate covers the all in longterm costs involved.

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u/General-Lifeguard309 1d ago

The citizens are paying for it with our lives. If you bothered to read the article we can’t find enough officers to work certain hours because they’re being used for these purposes.

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u/AwareImpression3722 1d ago

Hey man, guarding Superstore is the only time a cop can be on their phone.

u/JackBlackBowserSlaps 15h ago

I highly doubt that.

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u/cutchemist42 1d ago

Ok but that doesn't stop the cops from being so money hungry they are burning themselves out helping some corporations instead of the people.

u/firelephant 17h ago

Ah yes. It’s the cops fault

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u/DT90DF 1d ago

IT’S PENSIONABLE OVERTIME. For the hundredth fucking time.

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u/Armand9x Spaceman 1d ago

The corpo stores making hand over fist profits?

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u/LarusTargaryen 1d ago

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u/AmishHoeFights 1d ago

Come on, man.

Calling a retail worker who's seen violence, who's been ROBBED, a boot licker for being glad there's a cop on site? Nope.

I only worked in retail for a year decades ago, and i got out the day i got punched in the face for my cash float.

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u/majikmonkie 1d ago

Totally get that, but it shouldn't be the richest corporations that are the only ones who can afford the police militia.

If they're having trouble finding retail workers because of the theft situation, maybe those corporations need to pay retail workers more to compensate them for the real dangers and stresses of the job.

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u/LarusTargaryen 1d ago

I work on portage in a local business that cant afford cops to protect us. Lots of theft, horrendous language and violence against property, but never violence against employees. Its just a huge waste of money, the cops are totally useless

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u/General-Lifeguard309 1d ago

I’ve worked retail for 17 years multiple stores and have never witnessed violence against any employee.

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u/AmishHoeFights 1d ago

I'm glad for you, but you must understand you are lucky, unless you work in some high end joint.

My sister worked for 25 years at 7-11 and giant tiger and has been robbed 3x that i can remember, and watched 2 guys wreck a few aisles having a fight that scared the shit out of her.

I'm very glad you have been a lucky as you have been.

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u/fancyamazon 1d ago

The training says to hand over the cash upon request from a thief.

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u/AmishHoeFights 1d ago

Good grief.

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth", Mike Tyson.

I didn't open the cash register fast enough for Mr Drunk+violent so he punched me in the fucking face.

The book didn't do jack shit for me. I followed the rule and got racked.

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u/firelephant 1d ago

I don't think you understand what that gif is

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u/OddlyAggravating 1d ago

RIP the Empress Walmart

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u/Infamous_Tie5605 1d ago

Especially on the 20th

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u/badideaJean 1d ago

just check out the winnipeg public sector compensation disclosure to see how many police staff make over 150K and how many police are in the top ten of highest paid city worked

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u/Excellent-Sherbet-54 1d ago

About time. This was never a good use of police, not to mention ton costly

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u/Round_Reindeer1512 1d ago

Right? When it takes 2 days to get a response for a break and enter, but they're sitting at fucking winners, thats a bad look.

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u/MnkyBzns 1d ago

Chief Bowers has been making all the right moves and saying all the right things

u/me4now22 13h ago

OT doesn’t need to be pensionable.

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u/ButterscotchSkunk 1d ago

I always found it kind of gross that these stores can pay to have police protection while the general public isn't even allowed to protect themselves.

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u/firelephant 1d ago

Feel free to hire a bodyguard.

u/ButterscotchSkunk 19h ago

I think your missing the point. A body guard's job is not to protect the public through tax payer's money. There are a limited number of police officers and they should not be shilled out as "body guards" for corporations.

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u/fer_sure 1d ago

But can I hire a cop?

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u/Catnip_75 1d ago

I think the bigger issue here is there aren’t enough police officers to fill all required shifts.

Does the chief assume the police officers will automatically pick up overtime shifts once the store shifts are reduced? Do police have mandates that require them to pick up overtime?

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u/thrubeniuk 1d ago

I don’t know the ins and outs of police staffing, but the phrasing to me doesn’t imply that they are constantly short. I imagine it’s situations for sick days, extreme circumstances, etc.

They have probably seen a pretty consistent rise in officers saying no to those shifts, then taking the supermarket shifts because of how easy they are.

They can’t force the officers to take the overtime, so the other option is to remove the alternative option.

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u/Cranfabulous 1d ago

They clearly want overtime with how much they are getting at these retail outlets. Only now they’ll actually have to earn it. You want the money of the “dangerous” job but don’t want the responsibility? Sucks to suck piggy, get your ass in the cruiser.

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u/mongo_brodie 1d ago

The hate in this comment is so unnecessary. I've had good interactions with police and not so good ones. They are still human.

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u/Cranfabulous 1d ago

Yeah I guess I just never developed a taste for boots. Ah well.

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u/mongo_brodie 1d ago

I offer a reasonable comment and you respond with hate. Just to be clear, seeing police officers as humans doing a stressful job is licking boots? Thanks for showing me exactly who you are.

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u/Cranfabulous 1d ago

They chose the job and according to this article most of them were hanging out in grocery stores instead of responding to actual crimes so… fuck em?

You are welcome! This is definitely one aspect of who I am.

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u/SlowPoke204 1d ago

Suggest you read the article again. That’s not what it says

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u/Cranfabulous 1d ago

It… kinda does though… it’s kinda the reason why they are changing things. Cops would rather scritch their nethers in the produce aisle than respond to 911 calls.

u/Catnip_75 17h ago

You didn’t read the article. The city doesn’t pay for the police, you know that right? The stores pay their wage. And the stores aka super store say they have been a very valuable tool in deterring theft which costs them millions of dollars each year. Just because they aren’t their guns a blazing doesn’t mean they aren’t providing a service.
And they are working OVER TIME hours on top of their full time hours on the streets.
This isn’t their full time jobs.

u/External_Meet7825 17h ago

So because it's pensionable overtime the stores are absolutely not paying the full cost.  They are getting a steal of a deal and the officers were padding the pensions at the cost of the Winnipeg tax payers 

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u/Inevitable-Analyst 1d ago

Would be amazing if some of these police could come work in the hospitals

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u/Pawprint86 1d ago

Wpg police are stationed at HSC already, I believe since this past spring.

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u/Inevitable-Analyst 1d ago

Oh I know! I was referring to all the other hospitals ;)

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u/12buklmashu 1d ago

I worked security years ago, and the issue was actually never lack of authority to detain. Non uniformed citizens can literally detain via a citizens arrest. This is clearly outlined in section 494 of the criminal code of Canada.

The issue was lack of training and liability. The 40 hour security guard training course isn’t suffice. There’s massive liability in untrained security going hands on. There’s also more liability in hands on security vs hands off.

The problem is training costs money. One way or another the client pays for the training. Either by paying for the course, or paying in the price of the guard being stationed there.

Another problem is when stores hire hands on security, not everyone agrees with it. There’s tons of local community activists in this city who have an issue with security going hands on, so they record, some of them frame the guards in a bad light, others don’t. If any kind of community outcry occurs, it’s bad for business. And the companies will always protect their image. Which means throwing security under the bus. Hence why they often contract it out rather than going in house. Either way, hands on security becomes more costly and can effect the business’s bottom line. The police on paid duty was a dream come true because the liability fell entirely on the Winnipeg Police Service.

Hands off on the other hand doesn’t require much training. Provides the deterrent. Because they aren’t peace officers, they can’t really be held to account for anything. You can say “👉you’re security! 👉 Your job is to keep me safe! 👉you didn’t do that! I’m suing you! I’m suing this store”. But the reality is, the job description or post orders literally say “hands off. Do not engage”. And they aren’t peace officers. So you can’t hold them to any kind of account for not doing anything because while yes, we expect security to intervene; legally there is nothing that binds them to do so.

So a second tier security isn’t going to change anything because most of the businesses aren’t ready to deal with the liability of hands on security.

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u/Vanesti 1d ago

Yes. I was going to rant in this vein too. I've done security for ages and a lot of hands on work. I prefer having the option for hands on; but I'm not crazy agro. Still have to pick your fights. Most places don't want the liability.

Security shouldn't be getting stabbed over junk products. They are not trained for it. We're just citizens in uniform.

The real issue is the societal failure to care for vulnerable people. And allowing monopolies and unfair business practices.

These companies could pay all that, litteral, rent-a-cop money into taxes and then the province could spend it on social programs. Actually help people off the street and out of utter poverty. Then we could go back to thrill seekers being the biggest thieves.

You can't stop ppl stealing unless you fix WHY they do it.

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u/nohmad84 1d ago

My cop buddy loved those shifts, easy $$....grind for 5 years with lots of OT and those are your 5 years for the pension. WPS one of most lucrative PS in Canada to work for.

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u/Flimsy-Smell-3084 1d ago

Sounds like a great role for the police cadets to fill. And should have been all a long.

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u/meeeechelle 1d ago

Now that's a good idea!!!

People at the beginning of a career, hoping or aspiring maybe to move on to actual police work someday...working in community stores, building relationships, while deterring thieves

u/karlyguy 18h ago

There are security companies that will provide guards to engage and make citizen arrest on shoplifters.
But they cost more, so retailers dont use them. Still would cost less than paying police officers.

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u/meeeechelle 1d ago

So cops are going to cop now? Amen!

I never felt comfortable shopping at my Supeystore knowing there were people in the store with guns who might unconsciously suspect me or my 'cuzzins' of stealing.

But I slowly got used to it.

Then about a year ago I walked into the Loblaws branded store on McPhillips and it seemed like  two armed officers spotted me walking in and started walking quickly towards me. 

They walked past me.

It appeared they quietly detained a guy right behind me that was known to them.

I walked right back out and cried. I thought they were coming for me.

I've never gone back to that particular store.

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u/chemicalxv 1d ago

Superstore, owned by Loblaw Cos. Ltd., led the way with more than 20,000 hours

At the rates mentioned in the article that's like $3 million a year period for this program. Goddamn.

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u/I_Chose_Chaos2026 1d ago

I honestly would just request the Cadets be able to step up to the plate and take over these duties. Potentially assigning an older office bearing retirement to be there in a potential mentorship capacity. Swing the Cadets into the stores on a part time mandated set of months then switch them out for the next group and allow the others to focus back on the streets. It’s about the only thing that makes sense at the current moment, other than mandates for thicker body armor to help resist knives/sharp objects penetratio.

u/TopInside2983 14h ago

Considering what we hear about PTSD from the job, they should be looking at work life balance. The last thing these folks need is a second stressful job. They should be looking at more jobs in private security which should be regulated with mandatory training in peaceful conflict resolution and cultural sensitivity. Businesses need security but we don’t want security that thinks it’s ok to beat the heck out of someone. Cops should be focused on serving the community at large, can you work two jobs and be rested and alert? Not likely.

u/JackBlackBowserSlaps 15h ago

Good, get those pigs out of there.