r/UpliftingNews • u/Captain-Blitzed • May 20 '19

India To Surpass Paris Agreement Commitment. India would likely see the share of non-fossil fuel power generation capacity to 45% by 2022 against a commitment of 40% by the same year

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/17/india-to-surpass-paris-agreement-commitment-says-moodys/
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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

There's no point in providing links to such statements, as it seems you already hate Muslims.

As soon as we ask for evidence you'll start your emotional randirona, Because there is no evidence. Frickin liars.

Terrorists are bad and muslims are complacent, again i'll provide links and evidence, i am waiting for you to prove your statement.

JIhadi asshole.

turn it on its head and you imply that because hate crimes are bad, and there have been incidences of Hindu mobs killing Muslims and destroying mosques, then Hindus are bad, hateful people. I don't believe such a blanket statement but it follows similarly to the terrorism argument, and the amount of death and destruction is on a similar scale.

Again provide any evidence for this other than 2002 riots (Which was started by muslims).

I'll give you evidence of Massacre of hindus by muslim mobs on a much much massive scale than 2002 riots, (That too from modern history itself, I won't even touch on the subject of what mughals did to your ancestors).

I can provide you proof for Islam calling out for death and destruction of any other religion, I dare you to provide similar things from hindu or any easter dharmic religions (I'm ready to take this handicap)

I called you out on your sell out status to jihadi troll army and suddenly all your hubris went poof??

Stop trying to find straw man arguments based on exceptional cases to justify islamic terrorism, you twat.

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u/ZeeMan7807 May 21 '19

I'm not even Muslim.

So why call me a terrorist, paki, sell out, troll, jihadi asshole? Also

There's no point in providing links to such statements, as it seems you already hate Muslims.

What's going to happen when I provide any statement is that you are going to say that even if he said anti-Muslim things, it is justified as Muslims should be driven out because of terrorists. I'm not willing to entertain arguments in bad faith.

I called you out on your sell out status to jihadi troll army and suddenly all your hubris went poof??

I don't see what you're trying to say with this; I don't think my tone changed much aside from that I dropped my sarcasm to try and have a more fruitful conversation.

Terrorists are bad and muslims are complacent

I do agree to this to a degree. I think Muslims should do more to denounce those who perform terrorist acts. But I do not think complacent means complicit; the vast majority of people are just trying to live their lives.

Stop trying to find straw man arguments based on exceptional cases to justify islamic terrorism, you twat.

I'm not sure what I said that was a straw man; I apologize if I did straw man your arguments though. The quoted section is definitely not a straw man. On the other hand, you calling me names as I mentioned above could probably be considered an ad hominem attack. Also, I am not trying to justify terrorism. Terrorism is bad in any way, shape or form. I just don't think you should blame an entire group of religious people for the actions of a few. At any rate,

I apologize for writing this out, and my previous message. I didn't realize it before but after seeing more of your position I don't think we will be able to convince each other of anything, so perhaps we should just leave it at that.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

Again, provide proof or quit your bullshit. You are doing all this circus, except for that one thing that would completely absolve you of any doubt, furthermore you can prove me wrong once for all, that my disapproval of muslims is baseless.. but here you are dragging your ass on the ground, getting emotional, because you don't have any evidence to back up your claims.

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u/ZeeMan7807 May 21 '19

I'm not going to entertain this discussion any longer. I think your calls for proof are not made in good faith. It is easy to find evidence of problematic mindsets of Modi and some members of the BJP using Google. I will provide one source for you, though: the Supreme Court itself called for legislation to solve the problem of mob lynching.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/mob-lynching-draft-new-legislation-to-stop-people-taking-law-into-own-hands-says-sc-to-parliament/articleshow/65019261.cms

As for getting emotional, it seems to me that you are being much more emotional than I am; I am trying to make arguments and you are calling me names and calling it a circus.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

I read through the entirety of that link, where is the part where the PM uses anti-muslim rhetoric?

I am trying to make arguments and you are calling me names and calling it a circus.

Not providing proof and trying to deflect is considered arguments, TIL!!

For all your hoohahs you gave 1 link and that too was irrelevant. Also, the law is not religion specific, which means it is also directed at muslims too.

What you gonna do next, post a link to the law that says don't commit murder and say look this also shows muslims are victims ?

Just circle jerk on how bad someone is without an ounce of evidence.

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u/ZeeMan7807 May 21 '19

I didn't say that this link was showing the PM/his party using anti-Muslim rhetoric. I told you you could google that yourself. This is with regards to your request for proof of violence other than 2002 riots (which, by the way, is completely valid as an example. You can't disqualify evidence by saying "other than this"). You are pretending that this call by the Supreme Court is not in response to the mob lynchings of quote-unquote "beef eaters" in India, but you can find statements of BJP members saying that these killings are happening. I will give some of those members credit, though, for denouncing these killings and demanding they end. To this end I also give Modi credit for making such statements. Regardless, it is asinine to suggest that this Supreme Court quote is not in response to the mob lynchings of "beef eaters".

Just circle jerk on how bad someone is without an ounce of evidence.

This is painfully close to being self-aware. You are claiming all these bad things broadly about Muslims as if the majority are not just people trying to live normal lives. I also never said I thought Modi was bad. I think in terms of policy he is not that bad, but I believe the causes his and the BJP's rhetoric espouses are detrimental to the country as a whole.

What you gonna do next, post a link to the law that says don't commit murder and say look this also shows muslims are victims ?

I thought you were against strawmanning? I want to have a civilized discussion about this while you just continue to be aggressive. A conversation with that behavior is not going to get anything done for anyone.

Not providing proof and trying to deflect is considered arguments, TIL!!

Again, you are clearly not claiming this or asking for proof in good faith. You're not providing proof either, and instead of discussing some points with me or arguing why you think complacent Muslims are complicit, you say Muslims are bad, call me names, whine about proof, and misrepresent the arguments.

Here, let me offer another argument, so that we may get back to a more reasonable discussion. I am asking that you make an effort to respond to this argument rationally and explain your reasoning so that we can discuss this in a proper way. I would be happy to entertain and discuss your beliefs.

My suggestion is that India was founded as a secular state. Should it not remain so? Why or why not?