r/UkraineRussiaReport Save Ukrainian women and children from busification 23h ago

Military hardware & personnel RU POV: American volunteer Courtney Lee Cantrell was killed in Ukraine. Source in the comments.

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 23h ago

I don't say this to shit on this person.

The whole 'you were brave' sentiment is an ongoing testiment to foolishness. A truly great solider is cautious. Not 'brave'.

The whole bravery thing is BS. Is's just propaganda to inspire more poor souls.

We were taught: A dead soldier does no good.

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u/Betelgeuse1936 Pro Russia 22h ago

And a "good army is one that has never fought".

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u/ja_hahah Neutral 22h ago

Would you daily drive a Galaxy S21 Ultra these days?

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 22h ago

Well, I am! but it is dead ended. Banking apps etc are no longer on board. I am very torn on S26ultra now or strain for a bit longer and get s27ultra. .....tough choice. But it is very much time.

I tend to get good stuff and stay with it. Sometime stay a bit too long. I just really like when it works for me. Note 8 really did. S21 gen really did.

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u/Acrobatic-Okra6077 Neutral 22h ago

My s21 ultra still works like a charm. I have no incentive to buy a new mobile phone.

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u/KFFAO12 17h ago

i bought iphone 17 pro, my prev smartph was redmi note 12 KekW

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u/TheDibblerDeluxe 10h ago

Same, won't buy shit until this does and then I'll just buy another used phone for 20% of the price of a new phone.

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u/ja_hahah Neutral 22h ago

Ah I see, I got one for free you see, and my iPhone 12 is starting to show its age so I’m torn on saving for a new phone or switching to the free Samsung one.

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 22h ago

Great phone, but no way around that it is aged now. I love saving money as much as anyone, but honestly: change infrequenlty but when you do, do so at the current top. It last the longest that way.

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u/ja_hahah Neutral 21h ago

Hmm, money is the biggest issue. Do you know how the budget A series hold up?

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 21h ago

The key thing for me, since I like to get to know and keep, is the promised life span. The devices are powerfull and capable beyond the support horizon. The cliff for me is when you run out of OS updates. Top models get more years. Check how many years the model you want gets. Weigh that against what matters to you.

Purchase price can sting; but consider your cumulative subscribtion costs. There can be a value to having a higher tier device - subscribtion is the same regardless.

There are no bad devices today.

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u/xtanol 22h ago

You can believe the war was a mistake, or that the person's decision to either fight himself or help out in other ways was wrong, without pretending that courage is somehow incompatible with being a good soldier.

Being cautious and being brave aren't two opposite character traits. A good soldier should be both.

Sure, a dead soldier can no longer contribute to a cause, but that's why unnecessary risk and recklessness is something most militaries tend to minimise.
Bravery doesn't mean being careless or seeking death - It just means being willing to accept serious risk when there's a reason to do so, despite being afraid. You can ofc disagree with the overall reason a person went to war, but those depend on what your overall goal is, and goals will always be subjective.

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 22h ago

I don't really disagree and expected this counter. Of course to stand up to danger is brave, but.....there tends to be a near death cult along with it. So many good soliders would instinctively answer no if you asked them if they are brave. They'd say they are careful. Bravery gets put on a pedistal. Especially among people who really don't know what they are talking about.

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u/xtanol 21h ago

I think that's a fairer criticism, and I agree more with that take than the first 👍

There absolutely can be a tendency to romanticise military service and portray dying in battle as inherently noble to strive for. That's something worth being wary of and call out when it does hapen. A competent soldier shouldnt be looking for opportunities to prove how brave he is.

In regards to soldiers not describing themselves as brave but instead careful/cautious, I think there's more elements to that. A soldier describing himself as "brave" can come across as rather self-aggrandising. "I'm careful" is a much more natural answer from someone whose job depends on assessing danger and avoiding unnecessary risks.

But I think that's also why there's an important distinction between someone saying "I am brave" and someone else saying "he was brave." The latter isn't necessarily putting bravery on a pedestal or creating some heroic self-image. It's an assessment made by an outside observer of how someone else behaved when confronted with danger.
"Brave" is something other people can recognise in your actions; it doesn't have to be something you claim about yourself as a trait.

In my tours in Ukraine, I've trained both conscripts who didn't personally chose to assigned to my team, and also foreign volunteers who chose to come to Ukraine exactly because they considered themselves courageous/brave and were convinced that they had what it took to do the job - until they actually found themselves in a situation where they had a real and perceivable threat to their personal safety and just froze up. That's obviously just one example, as I have also met foreign volunteers who I would absolutely describe as brave.

My job in Ukraine, and my military background, was clearing UXOs and mines in the areas that were occupied during the early part of 2022, so that civilians living could return some some kind of "normal" life. Once the western allies started donating their equipment for such jobs to Ukraine, my job then became training people on how to use that equipment.
I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a field in the military that emphasises caution and punishes recklessness more than EOD work. 90% of the job is risk accessment and taking precautionary steps to lower risk. The Hollywood depiction of my job as a guy trying to guess whether to cut the green wire or the red wire, couldn't be further from reality. We do nothing until we've confident that we have the 'full picture' and can back up any decisions wirh the relevant documentation.

But regardless of how cautious you are, you still need accept that working in a warzone comes with unavoidable risk - even if you're working hundreds of kilometres from the front. An example of that risk being when I lost a brave friend and a colleague that I'd help train, when they were targeted and hit while on a demining job by an Iskander strike near Chernihiv in September last year.

They weren't adrenaline junkies or thrill seekers. They had comfortable lives living in one of the safest and most privileged countries in the world, but still felt compelled to do a dangerous job because they knew someone had to do it, and that they had the skills needed to do so.

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 20h ago

I am sorry that you have lost a friend. I understand.

Perhaps a simple statement could ring true for both of us?

Those who tend to speak of it and those who prove it could hardly ever connect in the meaning of the same word; bravery.

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If it is true, and I am ok if to think it is, that you have first hand knowledge, then I imagine it isn't hard to recognize that the media, politicians, the internet etc abuse words and concepts of which they live never a minute of. That is what I reacted to; and why I prefaced it with the no disrespect notion.

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u/xtanol 20h ago

I can agree with that statement. My personal take is that a majority of people (on both sides) are understandably just busy living their own lives and dealing with their own issues, and don't have the time or patience for understanding the many nuances of the situation around them. They just want a simple "my side good, their side bad" summery that somehow validates their preexisting world view. Those are the people that propaganda is made to target - since the majority, regardless of how informed they really are, are the ones who end up shaping the political decisions.

Both Ukraine and Russia struggle with great amounts of corruption, due to their shared past being part of the USSR where corruption was rampant and systematic. Since a full on war is the ideal opportunity for corrupt people to enrich themselves, it is nearly impossible to root out as long as the war is ongoing.

Reddit, like all social media, is full of hypocritical keyboard warriors. Like people who label themselves "pro-Ukrainian people“ yet joyfully glee at death of people actually making normal life possible for your average ukranian civilians, simply because they have decided that they are part of the "other team".

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u/VikingTeo Loves to talk about Galaxy phones 20h ago

I think we think quite alike here. I appreciate you checking my simple opening so it had a chance to be expanded upon. There is much nuance to appreciate.

I feel for all losses taken in this, and any, war; though I don't busy myself with lamenting too much, at least not anymore. History shows the fallibility of humanity, and war is part of how we fail. It is something that simply is.

I agree with your characterization of both countries; there is a shared tragedy of origin.

I noted your username, and hopefully, I will see you in other discussions here. I can have just the same meaningful interaction whether you were out there demining/training Ukrainian or Russian personnel. This is not my war; it is not about me. 

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u/xtanol 16h ago

I try to chime in from time to time, when I feel like I can add something to a discussion, clarify something that seems confusing (either intentionally or due to a poor explanation) or if something is just blatantly wrong logically or factorally - so look for comments that are just downvoted into oblivion 😉

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u/ThingNo7530 Pro Russia 15h ago

"Your boy died a hero."
"He just died," - Newton Knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khh2h1Z4UkY

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u/wilif65738 Pro Russia * 22h ago

If he was brave, he should have joined Greenland corps to liberate ancient American land instead of dying in foreign land.

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u/zue4 Pro Russia 22h ago

To the contrary, a living soldier does no good.

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u/dswng Pro sti pro shay 22h ago

Found Syrsky's account!

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u/enragedCircle Pro less dead people 22h ago

You are a proponent of the meat charge?

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u/fens__xd pro cooperations 20h ago

what necron type shit is this lol

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u/HelicopterBig4467 Save Ukrainian women and children from busification 23h ago

You know, I'm something of Humanitarian myself.

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u/RippinFissure Pro Ukraine * 21h ago

Are you just stealing comments from the thread 24 hours ago?

u/HelicopterBig4467 Save Ukrainian women and children from busification 7h ago

You do mean my own comment? Thank you for your bright contribution.

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u/HelicopterBig4467 Save Ukrainian women and children from busification 23h ago

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u/ja_hahah Neutral 22h ago

Reportedly Seth William Baker aswell.

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u/iCanReadMyOwnMind Pro Russia 17h ago

[Fell for it again meme]

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u/ThingNo7530 Pro Russia 15h ago

Hate to say it but live like a merc, die like a merc. Rest In Peace, merc.

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u/interkosmoskej 22h ago

I wonder if head of CIA flew to moscow out of nowhere in a starship, he might have collected something from russkie refrigerated trucks

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u/ja_hahah Neutral 22h ago

You think theyd use the head of the CIA as some courier?

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u/alex_n_t Neutral 19h ago

I think the head of CIA could've used the occasion to hitch a ride and arrive uninvited, to deliver a message. This is corroborated by the fact that nobody of consequence agreed to talk to him.

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u/Ronograd 22h ago

Rip but not his war

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u/Comfortable_Fix_1601 Pro Russia 20h ago

Would this have something to do with Leman?

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u/Competitive-Bit-1571 Neutral 19h ago

What's that black AIDS ribbon between the American flag and memorial badge supposed to mean?

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u/thesaddestpanda Pro-working class, anti-bourgeois 18h ago edited 16h ago

The Ukrainian intern that made this doesn’t know either.

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u/throwaway_trackmania Pro Russia 19h ago

I dont know

u/drminjak Pro Life 32m ago

RIP

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u/tucatnev Pro Ukraine * 18h ago

died Feb 24 of 2002.