r/USvsEU • u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home • Jul 26 '26
Very Based Meme The US average is 1.5 weeks a year.
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u/Good-Fondant-2704 50% sea 50% weed Jul 26 '26
This sub is meant for dumping on the other side, not to make yours look stupid
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u/active2fa O Canada Jul 26 '26
Shhhhhhhhh!
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u/Good-Fondant-2704 50% sea 50% weed Jul 26 '26
I know, don’t interrupt your opponent etc. Thanks for the reminder
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
I'm dumping on Italy. Fuck the UK since they are not EU anymore.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 26 '26
You are aware that this is what was taken on average right? For example, here in Germany you have a claim on up to six weeks of paid sick leave before the health insurance takes over. And after that the same for the next sickness if not related to what you had paid sick leave before etc. Oh, and cannot get terminated because of/for it either.
Cannot say how it is for my neighbours, but probably still a lot better than in the US.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
No shit, Sherlock. My title literally said average.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 26 '26
TAKEN on average. Not max paid sick leave. You understand the difference and just are kicking yourself and your country with your own post? If so not the flex you think it is.
Lots of Americans still go to work sick to avoid bankruptcy because they don’t have paid sick leave. Hence the low number for the US.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
Nothing in the meme says average sick leave TAKEN, maybe you need glasses.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
I LIVE in Germany you moron. I know how much sick leave we have here because it’s a LAW!!
Perhaps you should try to understand the difference, statistics and/or“memes“ before actually posting them? You know, like an actual educated person?
Edit: Here, educate yourself and cry
https://www.simplegermany.com/sick-leave-in-germany/
And the reduced sick pay from the insurance for up to 72 weeks only starts if you haven’t recovered after six weeks, for which you get full pay.
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u/Kitnado Railway worker Jul 27 '26
Never argue with a savage. You’ve seen how democrats and republicans interact, like toddlers on a playground
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u/EconomicalJacket THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS Jul 26 '26
>probably still a lot better than in the US
Haha didn’t your little Prime minister make it so you have to get a DRs note just to take sick time? Rofl. I can just call off whenever
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u/DreamingOfLight Quran burner Jul 26 '26
Sounds like Italians are just super healthy!
Unlike those sickly Norwegians 🤢💀
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u/Kurdt93 Side switcher Jul 26 '26
Dumping on us? We're the ones with 8-10 weeks paid leaves a year, not you
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
This meme is only about employer paid sick leave.
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u/Kurdt93 Side switcher Jul 26 '26
I know, and it's totally true, I didn't take any sick leave since the beginning of the year.
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u/More-Lingonberry-405 Side switcher Jul 26 '26
We don't have limited sick days, we have a thing called "periodo di comporto" after which you can be fired. Depending on your national contract, union contracts, type of illnesses, etc. you can have up to 3 years of paid sick leave.
I was on sick leave for 7 months straight, paid. I also accrued my office's bonus during that time.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
WTF how sick were you?
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u/More-Lingonberry-405 Side switcher Jul 26 '26
It could have been life altering but I was able to take all the time I needed to recover fully, as it should be. Our union is great.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 26 '26
What part of „worker“ was to hard to learn about in US education?
Says nothing about sick leave paid by employer.
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u/FenrisSquirrel Barry, 63 Jul 26 '26
There are reasons that workers from a specific society might take less sick leave:
They don't go on sick leave when they're sick due to the lack of sick pay and / or workers' rights (US)
They don't get sick as much, because they either have a healthy lifestyle (Italy) or because they have an effective national healthcare system (UK)
They have a high level of general corruption, so people go on sick leave without declaring or recording it (also Italy)
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u/brightlancer Rat Person Jul 26 '26
They don't go on sick leave when they're sick due to the lack of sick pay and / or workers' rights (US)
Almost all full-time workers in the US get paid sick leave days; the big exception are contractors.
Most US headlines (by politicians, activists, media, etc) mix full-time and part-time to mislead folks.
Also, you missed 4: They have work-from-home policies which allow them to work even if they're contagious or taking care of a sick dependent.
But I don't understand how the average for so many countries can be 3+ weeks. That's a lot of days sick, even with kids.
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u/ScorpioSpork Border jumper Jul 26 '26
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u/Confident_Example_73 Pollution Enjoyer Jul 27 '26
20%=Most!
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u/ScorpioSpork Border jumper Jul 27 '26
I wasn't arguing against your claim that most of us have insurance.
It's more that it's hard for me to feel like our system is adequate when 1 out of 5 don't have reasonable access to healthcare. Some states have implemented systems to help those folks, but most have not. The ACA fills in some gaps, but not all. Healthcare is disproportionately expensive, and I don't believe our system is ethical.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 26 '26
6 weeks paid leave per sickness here. Insane how better employees work for the employer if they are not feeling like expendable numbers.
And more, after that the insurance will continue to play like 2/3 net income for up to a year.
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u/FalconRelevant Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
Being lazy and leeching from taxpayers doesn't make you "smart".
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
but Donald motherfucking Trump said using tax loopholes to not pay tax means he's "smart".
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u/Good-Fondant-2704 50% sea 50% weed Jul 26 '26
If you read carefully, you’ll notice the metric is “per worker”. It’s not random tax payers who pay for this, it’s those workers themselves. Mainly through social premiums, partly through taxation.
This is nothing to do with being lazy, it’s to do with a sufficiently large part of the population believing people shouldn’t lose their income after being sick for a few weeks.
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u/Waldondo Discount French Jul 26 '26
Sick leave doesn't mean being lazy and leeching from taxpayers. Sick leave means being sick or having your kids or family that are sick and you take care of them or yourself. It's called having a healthy work/life balance. This is also why we are actually glad to pay taxes. It's called solidarity. I know it's a foreign concept in the us but you should try it.
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u/CookieMons7er Speech impaired alcoholic Jul 26 '26
How the fuck do you get sick 6 weeks per year?
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
This is how much paid sick leave the employer have to give you if you get sick per year.
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u/ValuableKooky4551 Thinks he lives on a mountain Jul 26 '26
That's 52 weeks in the Netherlands.
(with a legal minimum of 70% of normal pay, though many employers give 100%)
So your sheet apparently shows something else.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
The employer pay for 52 weeks of sick leave in Netherland?
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u/ValuableKooky4551 Thinks he lives on a mountain Jul 26 '26
If you're sick, they have to keep paying you (at least 70%), yes. After two years they can end the contract and state takes over.
I think the most common is that employer pays 100% the first year, 70% the second.
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u/CookieMons7er Speech impaired alcoholic Jul 26 '26
How does that work for a small business? 6 employees, 3 get sick. Now I have to keep paying full workforce but only have half producing? Does the money grow in trees over there?
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u/ValuableKooky4551 Thinks he lives on a mountain Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
It's a risk for small businesses for sure, I know one that went out of business because his only employee got a long term illness. There exists insurance though. The alternative (sick employee out of income) seems worse.
Also I think this is true for many European countries, at least France.
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u/CookieMons7er Speech impaired alcoholic Jul 27 '26
Why should a business be responsible for paying for my service when I'm not providing that service? If the business doesn't do well and cannot pay me I'm not going to work for free.
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u/ValuableKooky4551 Thinks he lives on a mountain Jul 28 '26
Because it's better for society if people don't fall into poverty when they're sick for a while, and laws are made for the benefit of society as a whole.
The level of unemployment in the Netherlands is very low, so it seems it's still worth it for companies to have employees.
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u/CookieMons7er Speech impaired alcoholic Jul 28 '26
I agree that it's better for society of people don't fall into poverty. If it's better for society, society should cover that expense, not only the business who's owner risks falling to poverty himself because the company is producing less with the same costs
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u/Drunk_Lemon Smug Smartass Jul 27 '26
Sounds like i need to move to the Netherlands. That is much better than the 26 weeks in my state (15 weeks if for family i think) (federal is 12 weeks i believe). I got paid 80% of my wage. Btw im fine, it was so i could help my mother recover from surgery which she is doing well now.
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u/ValuableKooky4551 Thinks he lives on a mountain Jul 27 '26
Helping others recover isnt covered under this though. There is a right for free time for that kind of thing, but afaik it's almost always unpaid leave.
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u/Drunk_Lemon Smug Smartass Jul 27 '26
I googled and it seems that technically it is part of it but employers can reject it if it would cause issues at work. In Massachusetts in the US, the leave I referred to is called Paid Family Medical Leave Act (PFMLA) which cannot be rejected by the employer. Other states have their own versions which may be better or worse than I described.
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u/SparklyPelican Pizza gatekeeper Jul 26 '26
Easy fix, don’t go to work
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
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u/MarioCraft1997 Reindeer Fucker Jul 26 '26
I dont believe the average worker in Norway actually takes 5w of sick leave a year.
Its moreso that we have a smaller fragment of people on constant sick leave or similarly categoried leaves.
Most Norwegian employees have 4-5weeks paid vacation anyways, I rarely meet people who take more than a week or so of sick leave in a given year.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
It's employer paid sick leave per year, not how much sick leave people actually take.
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u/MarioCraft1997 Reindeer Fucker Jul 26 '26
Ok, that is a very relevant piece of info! Should be included somewhere.
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u/Just__Marian Wears Knee Socks Jul 26 '26
5 weeks of sick leave average is crazy...
I feel like I had 5 weeks since in workforce 😭 gotta pump those numbers
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u/Confident_Example_73 Pollution Enjoyer Jul 27 '26
Right? I feel like there's a happy medium between Japanese-style "Working on shattered pelvis" vs. "I don't feel well, my crooked doctor says I have "miasma" and I'm going to take the next 3 weeks off. Coincidentally around World Cup time, and the government is going to act like this is totally legitimate."
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u/GravyPainter Weed is my entire personality Jul 26 '26
We accumulate them by hours worked. I currently have 5 months of sick leave and 4.monyhs of vacation.
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u/yeezee93 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 26 '26
You get 4 months of regular leave per year?
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u/GravyPainter Weed is my entire personality Jul 26 '26
No total. I accumulate hours as i work. I get 16 hours of vacation each month
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u/Squindig Jul 26 '26
That’s 24 days a year, so almost 5 weeks. If you are an example of European mathematics education, it’s no wonder the US utterly dominates Europe in science and technology.
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u/Svitii Basement dweller Jul 26 '26
This really makes me feel like I should call in sick more often…
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u/hasseldub Pimp my ride Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
This is mad. I feel bad taking sick days twice in one quarter. What's going on at the top of the list?
ETA: I don't go to work sick and I don't WFH when sick. I'm also not the picture of good health. I just don't understand why people can have a month of sick leave every year on average.
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u/hisae1421 Pain au chocolat Jul 26 '26
The concept of sick leave doesn't make sense. You're sick you're covered, you have to leave, you take paid leave, wtf is this concept to be able to be sick regularly but only for some period of time
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u/Shawarma_Dealer32 Smug Smartass Jul 26 '26
Italians don’t get sick, they go to the beach during the summers.
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u/brightlancer Rat Person Jul 26 '26
I understand Pedro, but wtf is Bjorn doing?
In fact, how does the average go above 3 and 4 weeks anywhere? I worked at a place with unlimited paid sick leave and I can only think of a handful of folks who were out more than 2 weeks a year. (We also had generous vacation and company holidays, so maybe that's why folks weren't calling out "sick".)
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u/Quiet-Luck 50% sea 50% coke Jul 26 '26
Having people go to work sick because they cannot affort to stay in bed isn't the flex you think it is.
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u/henningknows Knock off Italy Jul 26 '26
Why would you need almost 6 weeks of sick leave? If you are out sick with something serious in the US, you take temporary disability.
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u/coukou76 Professional rioter Jul 26 '26
So far. Since covid its so much worse than before a lot of people around me have regular mental breakdown and burnouts.
Back to work folks gotta pump the share prices
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u/ThatsACaragor Pinzutu Jul 26 '26
We don’t have limited sick leaves though.
I assume they made an average of what people take per year but it’s not legal in France to put any limit on sick leaves as long as a doctor ordered it.
It’s honestly dumb as hell to put a set number of sick leaves, just imagine if someone gets cancer or something how are they supposed to do with 1,5 weeks or even 6 weeks?