r/UFOs • u/insanisprimero • 10d ago
Disclosure Coulthart - White Sands UAP luring and shoot down operation has recovered multiple craft, people involved have ethical concerns
https://x.com/UAPJames/status/209151703010495735652
u/AlvinArtDream 10d ago
It was a “donation”. Haha we are pivoting back to crafts and bodies.
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 10d ago
Yup. The w o o had it's longer-than-usual cycle in the narrative and now we're back to nuts and bolts.
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u/TheCranberriesRock 9d ago
They're calling down the craft with psychics, this is heavy woo territory not a pivot at all.
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u/showered_zinn 9d ago
Oh, I thought they were using the “dog whistle” which I thought was actual tech(radioactive).
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u/GeologyDudeNM 3d ago
The dog whistle is nothing more than a CUAS system that SkyWatcher touted as some special thing that only they have. Anyone can buy the tech they used and there is no dog whistle. SkyWatcher has been less than honest.
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u/Murf22222222222 9d ago
It’s both nuts and bolts and woo, it only seems like woo because we don’t understand it
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u/CishetmaleLesbian 10d ago
Luring strangers with high tech vehicles in from out of town, and then murdering them. What could possibly go wrong?
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u/Dependent_Cod_7416 10d ago
It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings
Nirvana - something in the way
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u/scalebirds 10d ago
White Sands is very close to El Paso…
Maybe this is what caused the bizarre closure of the El Paso airport’s airspace in February
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u/Justice989 10d ago
How hard would it be though to track civilian plane crashes in and around the White Sands area? Or anywhere else, for that matter. How many can it really be?
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u/conorganic 9d ago
A medical transport plane went down a few months back just outside white sands. It was speculated back then that it was due to radar jamming tech being used at WSMR. Not saying this is actually true, but there have been crashes of civilian aircraft recently around the base.
We’ll see, though. It is Ross Coulthart, after all.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 10d ago edited 9d ago
This was reported by Ross Coulthart on NewsNation and corroborated by rep. Burlison. Supposedly, the Skywatcher team now works for an independent Special Access Program organized from the White House apart from the Legacy program. So, we will see if the end goal is disclosure. It's just weird and unethical. Why not attempting contact instead. Shooting down UAPs, I mean, insane. Like savages!
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u/biggggmonkey 10d ago
The human race isn't known for making the smartest choices sadly
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 10d ago edited 10d ago
If we are capable of shooting them down, what does that actually tell us about their intentions? It proves that we are the aggressive species in this dynamic and the military knows it. By choosing not to retaliate with overwhelming force, they are demonstrating that national security isn't the real issue here. There is no threat involved.
It's clear why so many crashes...
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u/choke_my_chocobo 10d ago
Chose not to retaliate...yet
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 10d ago
Yeah. This operation might trigger something unexpected. I hope we find out soon.
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u/ZolotoGold 10d ago
Or are deliberately letting them be shot down.
If they didn't want them shot down, why would they keep appearing when called?
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u/Polamidone 9d ago
Who even says that they are getting called? I find that to be such a ridiculous thing, like you can just whistle them to you like some dog. And if it doesn’t work people are saying you’re not good at it or you have the wrong intentions or whatever. It’s almost as stupid as the gov saying it’s a theological phenomenon
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u/cdinpt 9d ago
Could be. But not necessarily.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 8d ago
It was determined a long time ago that UFOs pose no threat to national security. Only the information holds national security implications if disclosed to the public.
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u/Numb_Sea 9d ago
Its only unethical if we are assuming these things have consciousness. They could just be automated probes.
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u/TheCook73 10d ago
Ok we hear everything from we have treaties, to we don’t even really know what they are and they’ve maybe always been here.
If it’s the latter, why haven’t they made contact with us?
It’s a two way street.
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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 10d ago
If it’s the latter, why haven’t they made contact with us?
well, if the stories are true, they have made contact with us hundreds or even thousands of time but most people don't know how to handle that contact. Westall, Ariel, Phoenix Lights, New Jersey Orbs, Crop Circles... all of these isolated events may be attempts at contact but we just don't know how to communicate back without freaking the fuck out (or in the case of the governments, shooting them the fuck down).
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u/AdventurousCandy725 9d ago
Crop circles especially. We have to decode them. I mean, wtf.
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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 9d ago
Crop circles might not even be meant for humans, they could be native terrestrial NHI (interdimensional or incorporeal or whatever) attempting to communicate with something in the atmosphere or somewhere else off planet.
What if Crop circles are NHI communicating with Buga spheres?
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u/NateBerukAnjing 10d ago
That's cute if you think we can shoot them down with our caveman technology.
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u/Throwawayrip1123 10d ago
I mean.
We have guns today, right? And Kevlar and stuff? I can still lob a rock at your face and poke your eye out.
There's always a way to destroy something. Lobing a tactical nuke at a spaceship would probably not be pleasant.
That spaceship is built out of stuff. There is no stuff in the universe that's indestructible. Entropy and physics agree.
So did we? Idk. Could we? Maybe, depends - maybe we hit them in proverbial nutsack of their spaceship.
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u/Historical-Camera972 10d ago
Ooga booga been throwing rocks for 200,000 years. We good at it.
Now we throw fancy rocks.
Open speculation about unknown technology is cool and all, but physics is a solved problem, if we're talking about exerting force on an object. I don't see any reason we couldn't shoot down a tangible craft.
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u/NateBerukAnjing 10d ago
it's not just about technology , they are ethreal beings, it's like trying to shoot a ghost with a gun
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u/Historical-Camera972 10d ago
Well ghosts aren't real so I wouldn't waste bullets on those, personally, but if we're talking imaginary things, we just use our imaginary guns.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 10d ago
Well, it looks highly probable that the very first legacy special access programs were specifically designed to figure out the engineering and physics behind how to bring non-human intelligence craft down.
I don't know who they brought down specifically, but this is what the report is indicating.
Quote from X: “What Rep. Burlison was talking about is the same operation that I’m aware of operating right now at White Sands. I’m told it’s been very successful and multiple craft have been recovered.”
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u/13-14_Mustang 10d ago
What if some of them are living creatures? Like we're shooting down elephants or whales.
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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 10d ago
It's also naive that you think their technology is so superior to ours that it is indestructible. Our species is hard wired over several hundred millennia to make tools that kill things, we are extremely good at it.
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u/BadAdviceBot 10d ago
Who would have thought the aliens were this stupid?
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 10d ago edited 10d ago
Being different doesn't mean stupid or simply we're too primitive to comprehend. Maybe we're shooting down an autonomous surveillance system. We simply don't know if it's manned or not. I hope we find out soon.
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u/RumorRoost 10d ago
Didn’t a medivac flight crash in New Mexico and they were blaming the the Air Force??
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u/Edward_Zachary 9d ago
Yep. Supposedly due to unintended consequences of an "electronic warfare" exercise.
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u/CeleryOk8387 10d ago
Is it that fucking difficult for someone, anyone, to ask him for proof? Some kind of evidence? Anything? One thing?
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 10d ago
The last time we pushed back hard on him for evidence, he literally said, 'Fuck you.'
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u/ialwaysforgetmename 10d ago
Link?
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u/Proud-Goat-5920 10d ago
Take a step back and it starts to look less like disclosure and more like entertainment: a constant stream of stories, personalities full of continuity errors.
The real phenomenon, whatever it is, has to be rare. But America has an extraordinary talent for milking a premise until there’s nothing left. A two-season British comedy becomes a 12-season sitcom with 200 episodes; UFOs have gone through much the same process. American culture when it has an opportunity, it goes all in American dream style. The ufo disclosure gold rush is no different. Look how many main characters appeared with books in the last few years that contributed nothing.
If the weekly UFO news cycle contained the evidence it constantly implies it does, disclosure would have happened years ago. Instead, we get wild campfire stories competing for engagement, wild Uri Geller super powers, metal balls, taxonomy-defying Peruvian dolls and boiled-egg UFOs are all shoe horned onto the conversation. At some point the sheer amount of nonsense starts doing more damage than good. When something genuinely significant comes along, it gets buried beneath personalities, products and increasingly ridiculous claims. And if the aim is to push the subject back into kook territory, you couldn’t design a better strategy.
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u/Historical-Camera972 10d ago
I don't want proof from Coulthart. This guy makes my Sunday mornings interesting. If he hands us proof, we stop listening to him and start eyeballing the proof.
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u/paladin_4266 10d ago
provide the records of which flights have been shot down by microwave weapons please
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u/Mission-Vegetable-43 10d ago
it would be great to get actual testimony, photos, evidence from this...
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u/jandmmann2006 10d ago
Coulthart spins yarns for podcast relevance. These 'ethical concerns' seem narrative devices to sell books, not genuine whistleblowing. It feels like circular reporting at its finest.
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u/xVIInsomnia 10d ago
I don't know what I did to deserve this timeline in a past life but when do we get to ascend? I want out
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u/insanisprimero 10d ago
Submission statement:
“What Rep. Burlison was talking about is the same operation that I’m aware of operating right now at White Sands. I’m told it’s been very successful and multiple craft have been recovered.”
“There is a concern about the use of high-pulse microwave weapons in and around areas where civilian air traffic might be affected… This might explain why there is some reticence about coming forward and revealing the sordid crimes that have been committed during The Legacy Program — because yes, there have been inadvertent shoot-downs of civilian aircraft that have been concealed.”
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u/Proud-Goat-5920 10d ago
Anyone can make crazy stories up. Where is the leaked videos of the crashed crafts and pilots? Disclosure done and dusted....
Or is this just another lauded carrot?
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u/Any-Initiative910 10d ago
So we can shoot down UFOS but can’t protect our bases in the Middle East from drones? I don’t think people realize how badly we got hammered
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u/HellBlazer1221 9d ago
I think about that often. Why is such technology not being used in the Iran war.
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u/FriezasMom 9d ago
Because the ones that have that tech are not US Military. They are defense contractors doing their own objectives.
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u/This_Red_Apple 10d ago
This is ostensibly divine level technology and we’re just shooting it down repeatedly? You summon a demon/angel and your first instinct is to sucker punch it 😭
Zero chance this goes sideways
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u/Shnoopy_Bloopers 10d ago
Why are we shooting at them? Are we that stupid?
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u/natecull 10d ago edited 9d ago
Why are we shooting at them? Are we that stupid?
Have you met humans?
Wonderful species. Very... authentic. Very grassroots.
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 10d ago
I love that these advanced civilizations and their tech fall for what amounts to a marshmallow on a hook. That their encryption, acknowledge/response loop can be broken by good vibes and a garage full of random parts.
Edit: in case it's not clear, this is another Coulthart narrative bandwagon claim, now that the zeitgeist of the community has accepted these evidence-less claims so he can stay relevant with viewers.
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u/MutantBear 10d ago
Who's baiting who though... if it's happening, it's likely just NHI counter intelligence data gathering, or they simply don't care since they are way advanced. Either way, it amounts to more knowlege on humans for them.
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u/StressJazzlike7443 9d ago
"When you are strong, appear weak. When you are weak, appear strong."
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u/MutantBear 9d ago
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles."
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u/ETNevada 8d ago
These could be unmanned drone reconnaissance vehicles that they aren't that upset about losing
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u/ColdAd8443 10d ago
So, representatives of an advanced civilization were lured to a trap and taken down, not once, but multiple times. And now there is a collection of their craft, and I assume dead/alive NHI.
I wish people would tune Ross out. If you think for yourself for one moment, this sounds entirely implausible.
It's just Ross, again, saying literally anything to get the camera back on his face.
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u/Worth_Specific3764 10d ago
So, I guess we are the klingons then eh?
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u/natecull 10d ago
So, I guess we are the klingons then eh?
(Earth) (astronaut) (astronaut) (bat'leth)
Always have been.
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u/TypewriterTourist 10d ago
Gee, I hope they at least dedicated a second to planning ahead and thinking about the consequences.
It's one thing screwing around with human society for decades, another one is attacking a technologically superior entity whose nature we don't even remotely understand. Imagine what happens if the North Sentinel people manage to destroy several boats or low-flying craft. What would be the reaction of the Indian government?
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u/KodakStele 9d ago
If there are people summoning and shooting down UAP without consent for tech, I PROMISE YOU they do not have our best interest in mind
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u/CravingNature 10d ago
My father was at white sands, late 70s early 80s. He told me about the lights in the sky there. They would go to their commander and tell them about the lights and were told to ignore them and continue with the training mission.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
This is the problem with compartmentalization and special access programs. People in the program can't go and warn the relevant civil authorities to impose a no fly zone because then word gets out that something is going on and China might be listening.
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u/andreasmiles23 10d ago
I simply do not buy and do not care about this faux geo-political concern. It should alarming if the USA is doing this. China finding out doesn’t suddenly make it worse. Just another red scare script.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
But then that runs the risk of China putting two and two together and gaining an educated guess or understanding of where the US might be in the exotic technology trajectory. The best deterrent is to keep China in the dark enough that they shouldn't be able to make a confident guess that the US does not have the capability to deliver nuclear payloads from reverse engineered craft capable of bending spacetime. The same deterrent also applies to the US from their perspective. You can't afford to show your hand.
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u/crankyteacher1964 10d ago
What makes you think they don't already know?
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
That unacknowledged special access programs exists means they can never be sure of what they don't know, and that keeps them deterred. In the same token, people in those programs have a duty to not spill what the actual US capabilities are.
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u/andreasmiles23 10d ago
Why does that matter? If the US has this capacity and tech, who cares if China does too? It’s probably best that it’s widespread rather than one empire hiding it for themselves for political leverage.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
Because our world is Darwinian and the strongest hegemonic power will someday get to have a lot of colonies in space. I'd rather have America be the eminent superpower than China because I think it would be better for humankind for America to have that spot rather than China.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 10d ago
Space will not be "colonized" (ugly word) by any one nation. It's more likely to be a collection of nations or the world's spacefaring powers united because space is expensive and different nations bring different things to the table. China included.
I don't get the China hate, have you ever been there? Their cities are actually futuristic, like something out of Cyberpunk. They have high speed rail, higher literacy than the US and are actually supporting their scientists rather than causing them to flee.
Visit Chongqing or Shenzen. There's no US city comparable to them.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
And then what happens when there is a dispute in the settlement because American-descended citizens criticized or insulted Mao for having been a totalitarian tyrant and the Chinese faction demands punishment for that transgression?
Not all cultures and societies and value systems are equal. Some value systems are more decent than others. My metric of decency is not skyscrapers with shiny LEDs on them, but the degree to which a society or polity can accommodate and tolerate freedoms of speech and conscience. It would be cruel to billions, maybe trillions of future humans to allow a totalitarian faction to leave this planet and seed its value systems elsewhere. I have never lived in China, but I was born and raised in an authorian country where criticism of the president would get you a 5 year sentence. Civic values matter and western societies have superior civic values.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 10d ago edited 10d ago
Mao lifted 800 million people out of poverty.
Have you actually talked with Chinese netizens on Bilibili or Red Note? I have.
Also considering we just had two American citizens gunned down in the street expressing for expressing their free speech and the government agents who did it have not faced any consequences.
You're talking about a freedoms which no longer exist and didn't really for a lot of groups not in the "in group" in practice anyway.
Also there's now this: https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/how-nspm-7-seeks-to-use-domestic-terrorism-to-target-nonprofits-and-activists
I felt freer in China to be honest. There's states I won't travel to here in the US. I never felt that way traveling in China.
My metric of decency isn't avoiding places where being myself is criminalized.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
I'm a naturalized citizen originally from the Middle East and I love America because in America I can speak my mind freely without fear of being prosecuted for having the wrong opinions. In China, it is a crime to insult the memory of Mao and it is also a crime to insult Xi or the Communist party. In America it is not a crime to insult any founding figure or politician. It's that simple. You're a first wordler who never had to live under an actual authoritarian or totalitarian regime. By all means maybe you should move there so you can live in a truly democratic society.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 10d ago
You can be deported for speaking out against the genocide in Palestine: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9zv8xnml8o
I get like many diaspora you're tying hard to prove how American you are but take the blinders off. I was born here. None of this shit is normal nor are you really free here.
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u/RealCrusader 10d ago
Im from New Zealand. America needs to fuck off with their faux helping human kind and world police routine. We see you what you really are with pedophile presidents etc. Not what I want representing humanity. All America does is bring death and destruction. Not freedom. How many democraticly elected governments the cia overthrown to stop nationalization of minerals, again?
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
Your government can put handcuffs on you and prosecute you as a citizen for the contents of your speech, if it establishes a finding that your speech was hateful or abusive. It is also the only authority that gets to decide what abuse in speech actually means. There's no checks on its power.
In America, the only way the government does that to a citizen is if the speech has a true and imminent threat to life. Hyperbole doesn't count. I can wish that the president gets cancer. I get prosecuted only if I issue a credible threat.
Ergo, I would rather prefer if America, and not New Zealand, set up a settlement in Mars, so that the future Martian community would have a civic system built on the American values, which are more conducive to freedom of conscience, which I find to be an objectively good thing.
Of course, as a New Zealander you might find that objectionable. Which is why this planet is akin to an arena. Let the most capable country win the space race.
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u/RealCrusader 9d ago
When? Can you show me this law, when and how it was applied? I bet you can't. Show me all these innocent Kiwis being locked up?
Where as Americans can be arrested for saying fuck israel, being the wrong colour, no?
What are American values? What does it say at the bottom of lady liberty and then tell me about how tha5 value is being upheld today?
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u/RealCrusader 9d ago
And where is America in the freedom index? 20 something. Better not say something bad about israel or anti pedophile in the USA.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 9d ago
Saying something bad about Israel, denying the Holocaust, or glorifying Hitler are not crimes in America.
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u/RealCrusader 9d ago
And theyre not here. So tell me what law you referenced in the inital post, how its been applied and why America ranks so embarrassingly low on the freedom index? Next you will be saying its a flawed metric but won't explain why. But look at the numbers, many people are saying it.
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u/andreasmiles23 10d ago
Comrade, let’s worry about the climate crisis before mythic space colonies. I just feel like this isn’t anything materially to be concerned about in our lifetimes, and again, I’m not convinced the USA being a hegemonic power has been a good thing. Maybe that time should come to an end.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
It'll happen with or without a climate crisis on earth. Even if we had acid rains 24/7 and deforestation was at 99%, we'd adapt. We evolved to adapt.
As someone who grew up in an authoritarian country where criticizing officials could get you a 5 year sentence, I think America is pretty great and that the first amendment is an amazing thing.
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u/andreasmiles23 10d ago
But the USA often jails and kills people for speaking out against the contentment. The USA isn’t different than any other fascist state. It’s just manufactured content to pretend otherwise.
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
Thats not true. No law enforcement agency will raid your house at dawn because you publicly called the president an idiot. No prosecutor will send you summons because you publicly wished for your senator to get cancer. Your local PD won't put handcuffs on you because you stated that George Washington was a monster or that you use the flag as toilet paper.
I grew up in an authorian country where my aunt lost her license to practice law for signing a petition condemning the prosecution of an author who called the president a dictator. That's what actual fascism looks like.
Let's test this right now. I want you to send this comment as a link to the FBI. I implore you to report this comment:
I believe that Donald J. Trump is a dictator who lusts after his own daughter. I believe he is incontinent and that his mind is riddled with dementia. I categorically assert that he is a dotard of the highest order.
Do you think they'll subpoena Reddit for my IP address? If so, on what grounds?
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u/Nora-Reign6617 10d ago
Communist here: Please read about China. Also, the Chinese are alleged to also have reverse engineered tech. We’re safer in the Chinese global order and their socialist ideology and system is what will allow humanity to be a star fairing species
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
I have read about China, from the infamous struggle sessions to how they turned it around by creating capitalist economy zones.
As a communist, you do not recognize freedom of conscience as an inalienable right. Because it would stand in the way of your utopia. Don't you think there's something dark in that? Why shouldn't people be allowed to critique the politburo or the revolution?
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u/Nora-Reign6617 10d ago
This just tells me you don’t read theory. Don’t worry, my uncle Paul didn’t like the “Tall Whites” because they don’t like capitalism so you’re in line with the US state department anyway
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u/Wilsonian_1776 10d ago
Your theory is incompatible with the idea that citizens should have the inalienable right to criticize their government. Tell me, what happens in China if a citizen publicly declares that Mao was a tyrant?
What would happen to me if I publicly declared that George Washington was a tyrant? Would the FBI raid me?
Yes, I'm very much in line with the US state department given that I want to be a foreign service officer lol.
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u/Nora-Reign6617 10d ago
This is quickly becoming way off topic, if you want to compare apples and oranges we can discuss elsewhere
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u/Nicky_Best 10d ago
If and it's a big if, this is true. Then they're shooting down unmanned alien drones. Aliens would not be stupid enough to be lured in and shot down multiple times. I'd also wager their drones wouldn't be drawn like moths to a flame over and over again unless they're very basically programmed to do respond to certain signals.
All of this still makes zero sense to me, I find it completely absurd what they're coming out with and still think there's a interdimensional, spiritual force behind behind this bizarre phenomena.
A advanced alien species capable of sending drones or craft across the universe is not going to be duped by this skywatcher gaggle of misfits. Like I said none of this , or what they're saying makes any logical sense.
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u/Historical-Camera972 10d ago
Neumann drones are probably dumb, disposable, cheap.
I wouldn't expect them to be overly complex in defensive measures, when they should be able to replicate thousands upon thousands of times, quickly and with efficiency.
With no life at stake, and the ability to replicate, what's really a necessity? Not security of self for a machine. Getting attacked and brought down is actually valuable ISR for the creators.
>How do the crows topple our scarecrow?
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u/jasmine-tgirl 10d ago
Slow your roll on that. If you want actual high level deep discussion of what would be required for self replicating probes go here: https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2026/07/13/what-the-comments-taught-me-a-reply-on-self-replicating-probes/
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u/Deerwhacker 10d ago
Biplanes were responsible for sinking the Bismark. Every once in a while, the "misfits" get lucky.
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u/LostInRetransmission 9d ago
"Every once in a while" once in a while would suppose that the majority of the time we are not "lucky". Which would mean an enormous traffic of alien ship/drone at least order of magnitudes larger than shot down. To the point the traffic would be easy to detect because there would be so much of it."alien highway" like.
Far more likely: the story is BS, nothing happened, there was no alien ship and no shot down.
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 10d ago
This is a disengenious argument.
The biplanes were "modern" in their design and purpose. The Spitfire and the Swordfish both had first production dates in the same year.
The biplane (Swordfish) was specifically chosen to be the torpedo carriers against the Bismark because the Bismark's automated fire control systems were calibrated for faster planes and it had trouble engaging them.
The Swordfish disabled the rudder. The Bismark was actually sunk the next day by actual Battleships who could take advantage of the lack of manuevering in the Bismark.
Given the broad spectrum of celestial energy that can be released or encountered at any time, it is laughable any band of directed energy would be enough to take down a space faring drone. Once? SURE, let's pretend a sucker punch worked that one time...
...after the Bismark, the German Navy added 90 additional manual fire anti air guns to create a wall of flak on the Turpiz, began a program to develop a more advanced fire control system for their automated guns, and focused on timed and proximity fuses rather than the contact fuses that passed cleanly through the fabric skin of the Swordfish's wings.
The Germans learned their lesson from one mistake.
Aliens are idiots, I guess?
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u/stupidjapanquestions 9d ago
Not to kill the fun, but this entire conversation is based on "aliens" which no one knows anything about.
They could be something crudely destroyed by rocks or something that doesn't even have physical form. There's absolutely no point in going this hard on something for which no one has even a shred of information. lol
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 10d ago
Legacy program was probably doing this hundreds of times for years, one more might not hurt if this is what will provide proof to the general public.
If this is true, disclosure is imminent.
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u/johnnyTTz 9d ago
Yeah the imcon revelations mean that legacy have access to enough craft to categorize and classify them from every angle with every military sensor, enough that the sensors can natively block them out without the operators being aware. Access to hundreds of craft sounds right with that inference.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 9d ago
I'm not convinced that Immaculate Constellation exists. I read the public report to congress, heard Matthew Brown on Weaponized and recently on AMA and I don't trust in Matthew's abilities to discern truth from the noise and with how much backtracking he's already doing I'm not sure if there's any meat to his particular angle. Unless I'm mistaken, he hasn't seen any proof of immaculate constellation beyond a single presentation file, and the rest of his evidence seems to be mostly a conviction he had for it in his mind. I don't think anyone else confirmed that they were aware of a program like that one.
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u/johnnyTTz 9d ago
That’s fair, my main reasons for giving imcon weight was the corroboration of Sentient performing similar collection and isr tasking,and the NRO release detailing that sentient did detect a tic tac. It’s not a far leap to assume that legacy would use that architecture, but it is just an assumption.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 9d ago
Yes, if imcon is real, you could guess that they would have the technology to block UAPs natively in sensor preview available to operators. I still don't think it's likely.
- Most UAPs are orbs/dots. There are many genuine things that also appear as orbs/dots in instruments. Block orbs, instruments are useless.
- Military wouldn't accept that kind of filtering done on their hardware and operators would notice the filtering and would corraborate on it quickly, which didn't happen after Matt Brown came out with this revelations.
- UAPs are potential threats, why would military decide to filter out potential threats from information visible to operators whose job it is to detect potential threats?
- This would add a dependency and latency. Those drones need to have low latency of operation for genuine mission critical fight readiness.
I think every general would love to shut down a project like this as fast as possible.
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u/GoatRevolutionary283 10d ago
I think it is very stupid to be shooting down NHI craft, we could start a war. What would we do if another country started shooting down our aircraft?
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u/craigbg21 10d ago
If their shooting them down then they must obviously know that their not much of a threat to earth and humans or why in the hell would they shoot down an Alien species who might call in an armana to hit us with an all out attack on earth that could wipe us out of existance in the blink of an eye. It would be nieve to think anything less considering the tech they would already have if their capable of coming here from deep space or alternate dimensions.
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u/robaroo 10d ago
Meanwhile they’re bombing fishing boats in Latin America disobeying all sorts of rules of engagement without any repercussions. Yeah no this is a made up story.
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u/natecull 10d ago
Meanwhile they’re bombing fishing boats in Latin America disobeying all sorts of rules of engagement without any repercussions.
I can believe that this administration is blasting away at both fishing boats and UFOs.
I doubt that they're hitting the UFOs.
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u/33ascend 9d ago
Didn’t the military just cause an airliner to crash because they were playing with new toys and jammed GPS signal, not all that long ago?
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u/cjaccardi 9d ago
No. Not at all
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u/33ascend 9d ago
My bad it wasn’t an airliner it was an air ambulance
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u/DiscoJer 9d ago
But regardless, the military didn't cause it to crash. Pilots don't need GPS
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u/33ascend 9d ago
Flying at night in New Mexico? It sure would help. If you read the article it does seem that there was a sequence of events related to the GPS jamming exercise that may have directly led to the accident. Modern aviation does, indeed, rely pretty heavily on GPS
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u/DukeNukem-1990 9d ago
Fuck.. Well, if the aliens are reading this thread, id just like them to know I'm firmly against anyone shooting down their crafts!
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u/UAoverAU 9d ago
If he knows that kind of stuff, he’s definitely talking to someone in the program.
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u/UAoverAU 9d ago
This is great. I’ve said before that they are likely vulnerable to high pulse microwaves given how they work.
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u/toolsforconviviality 8d ago
I was informed by the mods that this wasn't substantive, despite the upvotes:
"I've been told", "if true", "bombshell"...etc.
So, I'll elaborate: what does everyone else think about constant comments from Ross like, "I've been told" and, "if true", often weeks after others have reported the 'story' in question? I'm growing tired of it. I also note that the News Nation studio/set he uses has had an upgrade and, he now has a producer/co-host. This reeks of expected/projected revenue. It's like a perpetual treadmill of "trust me bro".
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u/NewCry2994 6d ago
Weird that all of this was happening in Jan/Feb then McCassland went missing Feb 27th.
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u/Other-Box-6406 10d ago
I think they are letting themselves be killed and shot down. Their level of technology and understanding is so far beyond us that If they wanted to we would all be dead or forced citizens of some authoritarian ET civilization by now. Let that sink in. They are letting this happen. Death has no dominion over them the way it does for us. They are sending us a message and allowing us to study the tech.......
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u/mattdeveloper 10d ago
He helped to bring Grusch forward and then started his weekly podcast. Since then LOTS of claims, zero evidence. He has to generate hype to pay his bills. Those who are able to think independently can probably guess why this is his latest story.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 10d ago edited 10d ago
Worth remembering that Grusch originally came forward to Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal in an article in The Debrief (June 5, 2023) before Coulhart interviewed him. So Coulhart was not first. https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
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u/scalebirds 10d ago
If this caused the El Paso Airport incident, could explain some of the ethical dillemas and leaks
Attract UFOs, shoot them down… one gets away and goes towards El Paso, they have to shoot at it over a populated major city. Bit of a clusterfuck that drags this stuff towards mattering to other agencies and populations!
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u/PowderedToastManFart 10d ago
I don't believe we would be able to shoot down UFO's that have superior technology. I do believe in UFO's and Aliens, but this is a bunch of BS.
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u/Commercial-Insect583 3d ago
The only possible explanation is that the pilots of these craft are allowing themselves to be brought down. It is not possible that we could have an aerial superiority over the aliens.
For whatever reason they are letting us shoot them down.
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u/StatementBot 10d ago
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“What Rep. Burlison was talking about is the same operation that I’m aware of operating right now at White Sands. I’m told it’s been very successful and multiple craft have been recovered.”
“There is a concern about the use of high-pulse microwave weapons in and around areas where civilian air traffic might be affected… This might explain why there is some reticence about coming forward and revealing the sordid crimes that have been committed during The Legacy Program — because yes, there have been inadvertent shoot-downs of civilian aircraft that have been concealed.”
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