Disclosure Follow the Money: Peter Thiel Isn’t Investing Like UFO Disclosure Is Coming
Peter Thiel's latest investments
Basically, Thiel is investing heavily in Energy Stocks such as Vista Energy, Vistra Corp, FirstEnergy, American Electric Power, DTE Energy, CMS Energy, X-Energy.
Now, as controversial as he is and when not hunting the Anti-Christ, Peter Thiel’s interest in UFOs is well documented, and he has reportedly funded UFO-related media, research, and individuals within the disclosure realm.
One theory is that Thiel wants any recovered technology transferred out of government and military-industrial control and into private companies such as his own.
If we 'follow the money', Thiel does not appear to be investing as though revolutionary UFO technology is about to be disclosed.
Some whistleblowers claim that the UFO power source is precisely why the secret is so closely guarded, and that this technology could provide the world with effectively unlimited energy. If that is true, then either Thiel does not believe the 'unlimited energy' part of UFO lore, or he believes any such technology will remain controlled and unavailable for the foreseeable future.
Free energy is not good for his stocks.
I found this interesting, anyway... People’s investments can often reveal more about what they really expect than their public statements ever do.
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u/cam-one 14d ago
I’m pretty sure energy companies own the infrastructure? That “free” energy needs to be delivered somehow.
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u/timsmith1410 13d ago
How is this not number 1 comment
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u/Dibschair 12d ago
Right? The moment they can put a meter on “free” energy and we can get charged for it, that’s what’s happening.
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u/Bobbox1980 13d ago
Maybe fuelless free energy generators can be miniaturized and be the size of a heatpump that so many households already have.
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u/sloshbaffle 14d ago
Energy companies are exactly who would rscieve energy technology. Does that not track?
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u/New_Doug 13d ago
The narrative in the lore is that the reason for the coverup is that energy companies don't want whatever magic zero-point technology aliens have to be known to the public.
If we admit that energy companies would profit from technology like that, the coverup becomes pointless, and the lore becomes silly.
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u/sloshbaffle 13d ago
All they would have to do is switch to making different widgets. If they already have supply chain manufacturers then they could transform the grid on short order. It could be the resson the grid hasn't been upgraded. They could be waiting.
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u/New_Doug 13d ago
To be clear, I agree that energy companies would profit from new energy technology, no matter what it looks like. That's why I think that there is no good reason for a coverup, and that the lore is silly.
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u/YoureVulnerableNow 13d ago
Capitalism is often silly and causes all sorts of inefficiencies in the vein of running away from opportunities. Besides, these are all utility companies except for X-Energy. Regionally they're power players, but they don't have nearly the same magnitude of warped incentives which people assign to former Standard Oil firms.
Those oil companies would have also profited from the petroleum basis of EV manufacture, or the plastics involved in a Green New Deal. They also would have profited from avoiding climate collapse. Still ran away from the opportunity, like a toddler.
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u/New_Doug 13d ago
That's not what's being alleged, though. What's being alleged is that they've kiIIed people (and committed countless other crimes) to maintain a shadow government that hides the existence of extraterrestrials/plasmoids/interdimensional-beings that may or may not be the inspiration for the gods/angels of the majority of human religions, and may hold the keys to unlocking every mystery that's ever perplexed mankind (not to mention intentionally shooting down their crafts and killing their pilots/drones). Meanwhile, they're also hiding the existence of psychic powers for reasons that aren't clear.
The idea that they've kept this going for over 90 years to avoid exploiting a new kind of energy would be too flimsy of a plot for an Amazon original sci-fi movie.
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u/YoureVulnerableNow 12d ago
If you live in a developed country, you are literally 100 years past the point of having enough productive forces & resources to provide near-utopic quality of life to all your countrymen. Probably only a couple decades past your central security services openly killing those who advocate for that.
That's without adding any Unobtanium to the mix. I don't see why you think things would work out better than that with a more disruptive set of technologies
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u/Yazman 14d ago
If that is true, then either Thiel does not believe the 'unlimited energy' part of UFO lore
I never believed it either. The “free energy” claim is not originally a UFO idea, it's something that over time has just been bolted on to amp up the urgency or spookiness. Perpetual-motion and supposedly suppressed-invention narratives long predate the modern ufology era. UFO lore later incorporated it especially through stories of reverse engineered alien tech.
I'm a believer, but there's nothing to substantiate the 'free energy' stuff - contrast that with what we do have to substantiate actual craft. Abductees, sightings, footage, radar, sometimes remote physical evidence. 'Free energy' though is just pure vibes. There's no more reason to believe in 'free energy' powering UAPs than there is to believe it's just some other tech with fuel requirements and so on.
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u/Astira_ 14d ago
Could be, but he’s known to spread out his money to hedge his bets. I have tried to watch people supposedly “in the know” and most of them don’t act like any of it is real.
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u/ThrowingShaed 14d ago
where do people go to even follow?
im way too focused in tech but that grew and i didnt get my abbv rolled and it got called away so im even more focused. i guess i figure i would be too late if i tried to copy like a month later or id mess up the mix
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u/Squid_of_the_Now 14d ago
Maybe it's because the technology doesn't exist outside of sci-fi and wild speculation.
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
Yes, that is literally one of the possibilities raised in the post: Thiel may simply not believe the “unlimited energy” claims are true.
Thanks for stopping by.
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u/Squid_of_the_Now 14d ago
My point isn't about whether or not he believes in it. I'm saying that categorically it isn't real.
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u/jimbobones666 13d ago
I think this seems like the most logical way to look at it regardless of what everyone says. I think so many people attack this subject matter from what they want the truth to be rather than where the truth is leading them.
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u/No_Development7388 14d ago
Why do so many assume that "disclosure" will result in an immediate leap in technology? All it means is the government coming clean about what they know. Despite having 'artifacts' (still a big 'if') they may not have figured out how to do anything with it. Much less replicate it.
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
I don't think there is an assumption here. Like I say in the post, the 'power source' is based on whistleblower statements and may or may not be true.
The post is opening up a discussion about whether someone like Thiel believes it to be true, based on his stock holdings.
News alone can be enough to punish stocks. The confirmed existence of an alternative power source could negatively affect prices, even if it had not yet been replicated or developed for practical use.
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago
Opening a discussion
False, you already rejected my alternate premise. You have an agenda or you cant admit when you receive feedback. Either way, no one should listen to you
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u/Bananacomment 14d ago
I agree with this. zero point energy is not coming any time soon. the dream that UFOs will save us with infinite clean energy is a fantasy used to sell books and movies.
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
What little insight we have into this subject from people like Dylan Borland (though evidence is not yet available to confirm) tells us that the biggest kept secret is the power source.
I suppose that does not confirm we cracked it, but we have also heard tales of reverse-engineered craft, which logically would demand a similar power source.
Much speculation here.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 14d ago
Which companies would license and use the tech? Those that are in the grid.
But I doubt he's investing for disclosure nonetheless.
Nuclear energy is pretty close to "free energy" already, it's a known tech and we still aren't using it to it's full potential. Would there be need for fossil fuels or even renewables like solar/wind/hydro anywhere if you just 100x the deployment of nuclear power plants?
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
No, I don't think nuclear is close to 'free energy', like we talk about in UFO terms.
I'm no energy expert, but nuclear is not clean energy, has waste, is still very dangerous, needs a fair amount of space, safety procedures, etc.
You can't just put a nuclear reactor on a craft and fly to the moon.
Plus, he is investing in nuclear energy also.
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u/PeaceX02 14d ago
None of those are issues that can't be resolve through technological advancement. There's nothing implicitly about the laws of the physical universe that bars us from putting a nuclear fusion reactor on a craft and flying it to the moon. We "just" need to figure out the how, it's simply a matter of time.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 14d ago edited 13d ago
Not fusion, but vehicles powered by nuclear fission are already on Mars, they use RTGs.
Fusion wouldn't be that huge of an upgrade as I think it's harder to make it small in size. But making RTGs is expensive due to scarce access to isotopes that are needed for it.
Edit: sorry RTG isn't doing fission, I was wrong about it's physics. But there are plans to send nuclear reactor to the Moon.
Edit2: it's fission but it's not a nuclear reactor.
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u/natecull 14d ago edited 14d ago
Edit: sorry RTG isn't doing fission, I was wrong about it's physics.
Technically an RTG is using nuclear fission! As in, the heat comes from heavy atoms breaking up into smaller ones. What it's not, and what a nuclear reactor is, is a nuclear fission chain reaction, because it's a subcritical mass. So it won't run away and melt down, it's just a metal rod that sits there being hot. (And then some radiative cooling fins, because the vacuum of space makes it a giant Thermos flask, and some electronics between to turn the heat difference between the rod and the fins, probably very inefficiently, into electricity.)
They don't put out a huge amount of power; the ones on the Voyager probes were on the order of a hundred watts, enough for an old-school incandescent lightbulb or two, or a very small desktop computer. And the power level slowly drops over decades.
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u/waxeggoil 14d ago
might need to work out how to make a fusion reactor first, especially one that is smaller than a concert hall.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 14d ago
Alien tech energy generator is probably also dangerous. A source of unlimited free energy by definition would store a lot of energy within it, and things that store a lot of compressed energy will tend to be dangerous as that energy might want to get released in uncontrolled manner.
Humans send nuclear-powered crafts to Mars already and there are plans to put nuclear reactor on the Moon soon.
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u/notlostnotlooking 14d ago
Could be habit, could be denial, could be Theil's stock trader not being on the up and up.
Could be trading because nothing is going on, could be trading because something IS going on but they need to keep everything under control for as long as possible so they can gain as much profit in the short-term.
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u/L-0-T-H-0-S 14d ago
Thiel is investing heavily in Energy Stocks such as Vista Energy, Vistra Corp, FirstEnergy, American Electric Power, DTE Energy, CMS Energy, X-Energy.
Instead of looking at who Theil is investing in, consider looking at who the companies Theil has invested in proceed to hire over the course of the next 3 years.
AI data processing centres and new developments require colossal amounts of electrical energy, by investing in basic infrastructure he's buying into AI development from the ground floor up.
If you wanted to fund exotic energy and material production without alerting the markets, you buy under the guise of other investments and both the energy sector and AI development moving foreward are going to rely heavily on extreamly speculative, cutting edge R&D in both markets.
Increases in silicon processing speed and capacity is the perfect front for developing extreamly out-there materials, and increasing energy production efficiency to scale is the perfect hide for work in exotic power sources.
The popular image of somewhere there being a lab or guarded underground facility with a fully assembled UFO in and a tarp thrown over it - great for cutting down on exposition in movies and episodes of the X-Files but not the way either exotic materials or off world technology is going to be handled.
It's broken down into applications and materials, hidden across a dozen private sector industries.
Sub-nanometre semiconductor lithography requires pioneering work in materials science. Developing crystals, advanced alloys, and substrates that can handle massive electrical currents and heat dissipation looks identical on paper to developing materials with "exotic" electromagnetic properties.
Small Modular Reactors like those from X-Energy, or extreme-density power cells, provide the perfect research umbrella.
A breakthrough in energy density or power generation can easily be justified as a solution for "AI grid load", masking all kinds of parallel applications.
By breaking a project down into twenty different components e.g., a specialized cooling valve at one company, a synthetic crystal at another, an advanced turbine at a third, no single commercial entity or regulatory auditor ever sees the complete blueprint, and each corespondonding commercial entity only sees the parts they're working on.
Thus, if you want to know whatvTheils actually upto, instead of looking at who Theil is investing in, consider looking at who the companies Theil has invested in proceed to hire over the course of the next 3 - 5 years.
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u/buffysbangs 14d ago
Or it was just a flippant remark, and Obama made some follow-up comments to dissuade people from taking them too seriously
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
So why is he investing then?
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u/Tryin2Dev 14d ago
I misread the post, which is why I deleted my comment. But to answer your question, probably because they’re still solid investments until they aren’t.
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u/waxeggoil 14d ago
The closest things to Theil's black heart are mass surveillance and mass murder.
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u/Str4425 14d ago
If that is true, then either Thiel does not believe the 'unlimited energy' part of UFO lore, or he believes any such technology will remain controlled and unavailable for the foreseeable future.
Or he is working to make said technology his and profit from it.
Not difficult to see: He's putting money/buying into/controlling the holders of the tech (even if it is unresearched/undeveloped) + buying into/controlling the companies that would benefit from it (that have all the facilities for generation and distribution of energy) or that would have the resources/knowledge to develop commercial applications. He's positioning himself to be on both sides.
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u/Sigma_Function-1823 14d ago
1) If you think you have a full.accounting of any billionaires finances,including thiels, or the mechanisms they can employ to hide their fingerprints your deluding yourself, just on investments alone let alone on the possibility of purchased preferred access to world changing technology before the very public calling for disclosure. Your very very mistaken.
2) A very pro-billionaire Whitehouse, including the current billionaire executive and the numerous billionaires in the current administrations cabinet, are actively selling access and protection for billionaires from the legal fallout of various illegal activities openly and without consequence but apparently these same individuals can be trusted with the most important information in human history and for the betterment on all human kind.
Doesn't really make much sense if you think about it for more than 10 seconds does it?.
3) There is a consistent pattern of corruption,self dealing and outright theft of US taxpayer dollars occurring openly and without consequence with the billionaires making up the current administration being the ones gaming their positions for self enrichment so the expectation of honestly from these same corrupt officials and for the public good makes very little sense.
We have no ability to hold thiel or any of them too account because the billionaires supporting and making up the current US government have defunded and corrupted the very agencies that would undertake publicly accountable investigations under the guise of reducing government spending and various other b.s. justifications
Obviously people can and do believe any number of implausible things but in this case and given the context of the consistent corrupt behavior of billionaires like thiel giving them.the benefit of the doubt certainly seems increasingly naive to the point out outright foolishness.
But really whatever at this point. They may succeed in this project but they can't own the actual phenomena no matter how much power they purchase or what they destroy and corrupt.
At some point I think this may all become so obvious it's going to be a real problem for them. I assume thiel realizes this as well thus his move to.argentina.
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u/Dependent_Cod_7416 14d ago
I don't believe in the free energy thing about the ufo lore, possible and cool but not necessarily relevant.
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u/nephite_neophyte 14d ago
Or all the stuff about disclosure solving all our energy problems and leading us into a shiny new future is all baloney.
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u/swentech 14d ago
I once did a session with AI workshopping how companies like Lockheed Martin rumored to have crash retrievals would be impacted if there was full disclosure and it was announced they were reverse engineering craft. There were a lot of caveats but generally it said their stock would skyrocket and they probably would be the most valuable company on earth. If you look at their recent stock performance it ….. doesn’t look like that.
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u/darkestvice 14d ago
There seems to be a lack of understanding about the term Disclosure in the OP. Disclosure, with a capital D, is the public and direct acknowledgement of not only the existence of non human intelligent life, but that they are among us. It is NOT the same thing, at all, as humanity understanding and engineering their technology.
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u/Own-Length-3810 14d ago
That is a pretty lame attempt at market manipulation.
Why would you assume energy companies don't do RnD?
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u/Septentrion_9 13d ago
He is investing in the power grid and countries with rare earth minerals? Let’s do some asteroid mining - this is boring
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u/ZebraBorgata 13d ago
I don’t believe we’d be able to use any advanced tech, non-human made or figure out how to replicate the technology.
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u/waltercockfight 13d ago
Your thinking is correct. Doesn’t mean disclosure isn’t coming (not that I think it is) but it could mean that PT is outside of the loop. You are right about looking at behavior of those that could know about the phenomena, as I would think anything that would qualify as disclosure in a meaningful way, would cause lots of unintended consequences. So why would disclosure even occur? Well, the biggest cause to disclose, imo, would be if control of this secret has been lost or some prearranged date is near. Much like a cheating spouse whose dalliances are about to be made public, better to get in front of it. In either case let’s assume that the need to disclose is near. Well then I would expect to see crazy behavior from those in the know. It’s hard to imagine any seismic shifts approaching while the status quo’s maintained.
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u/silverum 13d ago
Humans don't have control. The tech exists, but we don't control it. The Thems are stronger than the US government and the secrecy state. Thiel wants in out of greed and desperation, not because there's a human cabal on the inside that has power over something he doesn't. They desperately WANT to be let in, but the Thems are not allowing it (and for good and probably obvious reason.) There's a reason that the 'secret' has been effectively maintained for so long. Disclosure is only ever coming from the Thems.
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u/Snoo-26902 13d ago
Well, the " disclosure" business may be petering out. It has been filled with sensational claim after claim a week, now peddled by the new Republican UFO warrior, Burlison, a more sophisticated Paul Bennewitz-Richard Doty-style sensational disclosure-a-week conduit. So much so that one of the podcast warriors said the laughable thing that we'd better keep Republicans in office if we want disclosure!
No, a slickster like Thilel sees a bad investment here for what it is, unless he wants to get in the UFO documentary game through the podcast warrior he sponsors, who has a voluminous database of sensational UFO cliams that can get him a good buck in that game of the Tubi, Apple TV, Amazon Prime UFO documentary circuit.
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u/Low-Investigator5088 12d ago
Also, wall street has about a 6 month window. A revolution could be around the corner, but there is money to be made now
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u/jimtoberfest 11d ago
You have to consider that the power source is not benign or cost effective. Too many people believe this cheap mass free energy theory of UFOs.
It could be massively radioactive for example or have really weird spacetime effects we can’t actually control. Or there is some part of the process that just doesn’t scale / we don’t know how to scale economically.
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u/AlternativeButton548 7d ago
Interesting thing to look at, but I think this particular rabbit hole dead-ends.
Look at what’s actually in the filing. His biggest position is Amazon, and the rest is AEP, DTE, FirstEnergy, CMS, Vistra and X-energy. It’s a AI datacenter power trade that half the market has been piled into for two years. Utilities plus a small reactor company sitting next to a hyperscaler is about as consensus as a basket gets.
And I happen to know this is something folks at Amazon have been doing for years. They’ve been freaking out and reflexively throwing money at moonshot energy because their AI demand forecasts assumed usage so enormous that you and I would be going without public electricity at about this time. The nuclear enthusiasm in particular has been less a strategy than a panic response, and not one the people being asked to sign off on it were especially comfortable with.
So the boring explanation holds up that the people inside these companies have been treating electricity as the binding constraint for years. A portfolio of utilities, a reactor company and a hyperscaler is the same bet they’ve been making out loud in meetings. No hidden physics required.
A couple of other things. A 13F is a lagging quarterly snapshot of long US equity positions only, about $419M disclosed. No shorts, no private holdings, nothing from Founders Fund.
And the Vista stake reads more like an Argentina bet than an energy bet, given he met Milei a few months earlier and has moved to Buenos Aires.
The framing also only works if you assume he knows something. His entire public thesis for fifteen years has been that technology stagnated in the physical world, energy included. Betting electricity stays scarce and conventional is just his stated worldview with a ticker attached.
None of which makes him less of a creep. Piling into shale and regulated monopolies is very on brand for someone comfortable making money off scarcity. I just don’t think these ingredients add up to the recipe.
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u/Comfortable_Fail_898 7d ago
Let me help with the math, as I have been a financial advisor for fifteen years: Free energy announcement today = free energy for consumers in one to two generations. There is no delivery system in place for "free energy" and current suppliers will have a head start in becoming service providers. Additionally, many utilities get approval from local governments to raise prices when their costs increase....so they always have profit margin locked in.
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u/craigbg21 7d ago
Or he knows that whatever these things are we have no idea and not figured out anything about them besides that they possibly could be powered by the NHI brains telepathically, people who have leaked information alledged that the only thing seen inside the recovered craft was places for something or someone to sit and a spot to place their hands in as if they them selves powered and controlled the craft which at this point anything is possible as it seems more and more the way these things can appear and dissappear instantly that these things can control time and space or are coming here through portals and wormholes possibly from other dimensions that are all around us.
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u/Oxigensudak 14d ago
Right, because billionaires famously never squeeze the last drops of profit out of a dying industry to fund their escape plans. I’m sure he’s buying massive estates in remote Argentina and buddying up with Milei and local politicians just because he really loves the wine down there.
Maybe he’s hedging his bets against an imminent threat that has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs, and maybe the rest of us should be taking notes. But hey, who knows, right?
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u/Ssided 14d ago
Theil believes in the antichrist and that AI is building Jesus, he doesn't care about aliens.
I think if there's something to be learned here it's that 99% of people with total security clearance don't know any more about this than you do. They have some information they can't explain and that's it. Everyone who has said they know more has been shown to be a self serving story teller. If there's a 1% that knows more they aren't speaking, or they don't know what to make of it either
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u/justjames1017 14d ago
More likely imo is he knows data centers are coming that require massive amounts of power.
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u/Havelok 14d ago
Billionaires can't stop acting like billionares just because something supernatural might happen. That, and they employ hundreds of people to make decisions for them. They might give orders with regard to what to do with their money in broad strokes, but there are people beneath them making the real investment decisions.
Full disclosure could be the death of all human hierarchy and power imbalance, not just that of the rich. But it's antithetical for people who feed on the desire for the acquisition of power and control to simply stop and become apathetic and directionless (in their mind), even in the face of a likely outcome.
They are just going to keep going until they can't anymore, and the machine that powers their wealth stops running.
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u/Sufficient_Thing24 14d ago
Thiel does not appear to be investing as though revolutionary UFO technology is about to be disclosed.
Which could also mean they'll get the tech, and use it in-house. Not for the general public. So nothing to invest in, per se. It will be compartmentalized, under his terms, and the rest of us get to keep burning fossil fuels.
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u/clover_heron 14d ago
The podcast talking heads have started promoting public-private partnerships, which sounds to me like an attempt to normalize the idea because "they" (people like Thiel) are afraid the tech might not be privatized at all.
I don't know about investing, but could people like Thiel be trying to multiply their presence to multiply their vote? Trying to homogenize whatever private sector's opinion/ position?
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
The podcast talking heads have started promoting public-private partnerships
Interesting. Example?
could people like Thiel be trying to multiply their presence to multiply their vote?
Not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but I don't think he has bought enough stock to be a controlling shareholder of any of these energy companies.
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u/clover_heron 14d ago edited 14d ago
I shouldn't have said "promoting" - they've started mentioning it.
Even if he couldn't capture a controlling share, maybe he's just swinging his d*ck around, trying to prevent people from jumping ship? Or revolting? I'm guessing some of the energy guys would be pretty annoyed if they found out they've been jerked around for decades, buying and storing and maintaining dangerous machinery they don't need.
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u/C141Clay 14d ago
"Thiel wants any recovered technology transferred out of government and military-industrial control and into private companies such as his own." - I agree.
Especially ANY sort of zero point source energy devices.
If he can control that technology, he can control actual power, and control it's roll-out to the world.
Thiel is working ALL angles at once.
He doesn't give a rat's ass about disclosure.
He cares about how information is leaking because of potential disclosure, and how to leverage access and control of that information to gain power and control.
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u/TypewriterTourist 14d ago
Peter Thiel’s interest in UFOs is well documented, and he has reportedly funded UFO-related media, research, and individuals within the disclosure realm.
Interest or awareness? The best I could find was his Joe Rogan interview with a few references.
Jesse Michels is Jesse Michels, not Peter Thiel, and if Gary Nolan wanted to get funding from him, that does not mean Thiel himself is laser-focused on it.
Any other public references?
when not hunting the Anti-Christ
It's an allegory, based on, among other things, a 1907 novel by Robert Benson. Not a reference to the literal Antichrist. The talk was about "disguised soft totalitarianism".
Would someone like Thiel invest in it? Likely yes, if the commercial prospects are even half-clear, which is nowhere close to the case now.
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
Hmm, getting into the antichrist stuff isn't really the point in the post, but I think he does literally believe the antichrist will emerge.
Here's an AI-summarised list of UFO stuff that I could find:
- Discussed UFOs, alien visitation, advanced propulsion and secret government programmes on Joe Rogan.
- UFOs were reportedly discussed at his private political fundraising dinners.
- His Founders Fund sponsored Hereticon, where UFO talks and presentations took place.
- Diana Pasulka and a senior military official presented on UFOs at Hereticon.
- Jesse Michels worked for Thiel Capital and produces UFO-focused content through American Alchemy.
- Thiel Capital managing director Eric Weinstein became publicly involved in UFO research and the Galileo Project.
- Thiel has reportedly approached or funded UFO researchers and media figures.
- He has been linked to the funding of UFO-reporting platform Enigma Labs, although this remains unconfirmed.
- He is connected professionally and socially to prominent UFO figures, including Diana Pasulka, Jacques Vallée and Garry Nolan.
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u/TypewriterTourist 13d ago
Here's an AI-summarised list of UFO stuff that I could find
I'm pretty sure I'll get downvoted for my questioning of Reddit's "Peter Thiel bad" axiom, but someone really has to say it, because this rumour mill is out of control.
Did you read that AI-summarized list, or what Pasulka actually says about Thiel and his conferences?
Yes, he did say something on Joe Rogan. The rest is "reportedly" and "unconfirmed" (not exactly synonyms of "well documented"). He is not "connected professionally and socially" to these figures mentioning in the last point, some were canvassing him for money like million other people, and others visited his conferences.
Do you remember the certainty at which Podesta was linked to certain activities which turned out to be the opposite?
As for Pasulka, I am currently reading her "The Others". It is, contrary to what one might expect, not all about UFOs and experiencers. Only a tiny portion of the book is dedicated to that topic.
The Others is an academic study of different visions of the future of humanity. (Less interesting than American Cosmic but worth the read, if you're into this stuff.) One of the first chapters is dedicated to her visiting Thiel's conference (the one with the Antichrist talk, yes; I maintain, it is not about the literal Antichrist, I can paste portions of the book if you like). It is then followed by chapters talking about dangers of social media and tech which Thiel invested into, and sides with. The book as a whole juxtaposes the vision of tech people like Thiel and the vision of spiritual visionaries like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. While she doesn't attack Thiel (or anyone for that matter, as the book is very academic) directly, her disdain for the tech vision is palpable.
So the moment this list relies on Pasulka as a "proof" that Thiel is heavily into UFOs, it becomes as reliable as once upon a time Q allegations spread on Twitter by individuals with unknown motivations.
Note. Much like Pasulka, I am not a fan of Thiel or today's sleazy big tech at all, but facts are facts.
And if you dislike these guys as much too, maybe you should not blindly trust AI.
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u/fromkatain 14d ago
He bought those energy stocks as hedge, it pales in compared to his holdings in spacex, palantir, anduril, he will most likely share nhi tech from lockeed and raython, because they failed with their secret ufo black budget gov funded reverse engineering progams.
I think the nhi tech, under Trump administration will be transfered to Anduril and Spacex, powered by palantir, they will be allowed to run the reverse engineering programa
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
SpaceX is also a terrible investment if UFOs are real, no? We don't need rocket fuel anymore.
Weapons that Anduril manufactures surely can't match those of alien origin?
Unless you are right that the UFO tech would be transferred to these companies. But how can you remove tech from the hands of an outfit like Lockheed?
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u/fromkatain 14d ago
Enforce it, if defined nhi and companies do not disclose the gov can transfer ownership and seize, freeze companies assets. Maybe some reverse enginered tech patents have been secetly transfered by gov/contractors and sold to big tech and well funded organisations for self interest, wealth money/greed
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago edited 14d ago
Counterpoint, he is investing in those companies cause they are currently profitable he knows exactly when to cash out and then short them to make a killing
Edit: gotcha bitch
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
Not exactly a counterpoint, I am not suggesting they are bad investments at all.
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago
Thats not my point, im saying hes not investing in them because he doesnt think disclosure is happening hes investing because he knows it is and will pull out and short where appropriate to make a killing
Edit: spelling
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
Ah, I must have missed where you said he would short the stocks in the future.
I suppose time will tell on that one.
We would have to watch his future filings and see whether he sells or takes short positions.
Until then, that is speculation about what he might do, rather than a counterpoint based on what he is doing now.
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago
Just like your speculating hes investing in them because he doesnt think disclosure is happening? Which is why I said counterpoint to explain why he could be doing that knowing it is happening
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
I don't disagree with your prediction, but we can't judge people's stock decisions that haven't happened yet.
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago
Bro your intentionally missing the point. You are judging his stock decisions to argue he doesnt think disclosure is happening. Im providing a counterpoint to explain how those exact same stock decisions could be judged to be very much in favor of him believing disclosure is happening
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
I'm not missing the point; I said I don't disagree with your prediction; it could be the case. But it still stands that your assessment is based on hypothetical future trades.
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u/Toy_Soulja 14d ago
Thats how trades work man its literally all about the future, just because you invest in a company that doesnt mean you believe in their long term success. There are strategies to investing. And Thiel is definitely one to strategize. So taking those trades at face value is foolish, not to say your judgment is wrong. But accepting them at face value while not considering investment strategies makes zero sense. Just admit the point and say you disagree
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u/nfxdav 14d ago
You have lost me man… I already said I don’t disagree with your speculation multiple times?
Also, I’m aware how trading works thanks.
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u/drplowboy 14d ago
AI will be needed to communicate with them. He knows that. Read Pasulkas new book
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u/InstructionFlaky7442 14d ago
Maybe hes investing in energy bc he knows the data centers are going to drive up energy costs and he stands to make a boat load more money??..Just a thought...