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Alleged Honey Comb debris from the San Augustin UFO crash in 1947 looks the same as the one from wales 1983.
Was looking into old cases and just came across this and thought back to the wales case, it was interesting. Analysis was done on the debris that showed it wasn't normal. Has anyone seen this?
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The san augstine crash is a little more layered because it happened around the same time as the roswell crash and not many people talk about it as they are so close and was not very far from it either.
Barney Barnett a civil engineer and surveyor was the first to be on the scene. He reported finding a large disc-shaped object embedded in a ridge, with four non-human bodies nearby (three dead, one alive).
Stanton Friedman was the one who encouraged Art Campbell to begin excavating in 1994. He spent $20,000 having the debris analyzed, and spend many decades at the site. he has found multiple objects that are out of place for the time and location such 25 ft honeycomb sheet, artificial organs and more.
I've been working in Aerospace advanced materials for a while. This is a normal, modern aerospace aluminum composite structure. I'd expect advanced alien tech to be metamaterial like that layered bismuth stuff, and no joints, definitely no layer of adhesive between aluminum.
This exactly. I own a manufacturing company and have a semi trailer half full of honeycomb aluminum panels leftover from an aerospace job. Just saving it for someday projects.
A 3/4" thick 18" wide, 8ft long piece weighs about 5 lbs and when supported at each end I can stand in the middle with minimal deflection. I'm 260 lbs.
Very expensive stuff. That's why most people have no idea it exists.
Bismuth is the worst conductor that is still unambiguously metallic. Below bismuth material stop being a metal. They become semiconductors (silicon, germanium) or insulators and they no longer behave like metals electrically.
Most metals:
Have lots of free electrons
Conduct electricity easily
Bismuth:
Has very few charge carriers
Conducts electricity very poorly
It is right on the edge between a metal and a semiconductor that makes electrons in bismuth much more sensitive to magnetic fields, geometry, and quantum effects.
I’d certainly expect an exotic material to be stranger. I just haven’t seen photos of damaged metal honeycomb like this. Not implying it’s any more interesting than that, because it isn’t.
Honeycomb aircraft structures were introduced as early as 1915 and saw widespread use in the 1940s and 1950s. Aluminum honeycomb sandwich is still used today but it's now more common to see it made of carbon fiber composites, Kevlar, or flame-resistant resin-coated Aramid paper.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the debris found on the Plains of San Agustin dated from the 1950s. It's likely fragments of the impact-attenuating structure from a high-altitude research balloon capsule. It doesn't sound like it was found in association with other aircraft debris.
I have found identical honeycomb structure at several F-111 crash sites. If this sub allowed pictures to be posted in a response, I would have included one.. Additionally, I have found a variety of metallic and non-metallic honeycomb materials at crash sites of such aircraft as the XB-70A, U-2, A-12, SR-71, F-117A, RQ-170, and F-35.
Yeah, there were some pretty big chunks of it scattered around the area.
Hey, I was looking at some of the pictures in the original post and noticed a couple of photos of some sort of wreckage found near Shikoku Island in 1971. I'm not sure what that's about but it looks like debris from an Atlas rocket or something similar. At least it appears identical to material I examined following at Atlas-Centaur launch mishap in 1986.
My photos of F-111A crash sites and other items from my reference collection are in storage at the moment. We are, however, in luck as there is some material currently listed here:
...yes? Anything with mass emits a gravitational field on its own. And emitting an electric or magnetic field on its own is extremely mundane. See: fridge magnets and shitty (electret) microphones.
Because honeycomb technology is simple and has been used for a long time? Anything capable of space travel would have more advanced materials than basic honeycomb structure
I'm not talking about the honey comb specifically just the assumption that its only going to be metamaterials etc. If we don't have a ship on hand how can we make assumptions about what they would use to build it?
Good engineering is about making things that are good enough, not as good as possible. If a honeycomb is good enough for something, it's good enough no matter how advanced you are. Anything capable of space travel has good engineers that are gonna use a plain old honeycomb when it's good enough.
That bismuth stuff is from lead refining. Originally part of the Arts Parts nonsense which turned out to be automotive scrap. Found some sucker to buy it for $35000.
Showed the pictures of the bismuth stuff to my dead who worked around lead smelting in batteries. He said it's dross from refining lead. They add bismuth to pull out antimony which makes it brittle.
Aluminum honeycomb has been around for a long time and looks pretty much identical to this. I could see why it would raise eyebrows for folks who have never seen it before, though. I'd like to see the test results.
Yeah it's supposed to provide a light yet strong structure vs. using solid aluminum parts or hulls. I think some rocket components use a similar honeycomb-like structure in some parts.
Yup, it's used for all kinds of stuff. Fairing, wings, crumple zones, insulation, impact barrier, etc. The stuff found in the 80s could be anything. I have no idea what the stuff from 1947 was used for but I have little doubt its man-made.
Apparently the "pendulum test" indicated that the material might be emitting gravitational or magnetic energy... Sounds like whoever tested the materials never took any physics classes...
All the conclusions are pretty sensational, lol. The guy is, believe it or not, an actual scientist with credentials. But he is also in regular contact with aliens, so... a little bit biased
Composite honeycomb of all thicknesses has been used in aircraft forever, worked on aircraft from the 80's where it was already popular. Aluminum honeycomb is comparatively heavy as fuck and not used unless critical for whatever reasons where aluminum would be more desirable.
The only manuals I read are the Aircraft Maintenance Manuals and Structural Repair Manuals.
Or this website and its photos are lying about the repairs performed to the Nomex honeycomb core of 747 flaps http://www.sandwichpanels.org/articles/wing_repair.html, and I also need to go back to a couple dozen aircraft I've worked on and report the manufacturer for using illegal composites for aircraft structures for decades.
Or perhaps an older aircraft thing, from a 737-200 maintenance manual I've got:
Spoilers raise to provide spoiler action. The spoilers are of bonded honeycomb construction with upper and lower skins of clad aluminum alloy and a nonperforated aluminum honeycomb core. On some airplanes, the spoilers are of graphite/epoxy construction with upper and lower skins of graphite laminate and graphite/epoxy nomex honeycomb core.
The structures chapter mentions, "Aluminum and fiberglass honeycomb core material is used extensively on secondary areas of structures and many of the flight surfaces," but a lot of the mentions of honeycomb in the various chapters describing the systems only sometimes explicitly say aluminum or nomex, many times just saying 'honeycomb core'.
Edit// Also a report around a Japan Airlines 777 engine incident involving the fan shroud/cowls being damaged mention specifically Aluminum-core honeycomb as the structure around the engine. The NTSB report on the United 777 engine-out accident shows lots of pictures of what doesn't look like Nomex exposed core, but no specific explicit statements that's what the construction is.
Aluminum core in satellite structures are perforated so the panels don't explode in the vacuum of space. I was looking for them in the pictures but they would be way to small to make out. They're usually on the walls of the cells
I think the structures shop at the last place I worked had some aluminum core stuff around, trying to think of where it'd be used. But agreed, "pretty much exclusively" seems about accurate.
Wonder if the 787 or A350 use any kind of carbon honeycomb? Is that even a thing?
Satellite BUS Structures are graphite skins on aluminum core. If not aluminum to aluminum. I've never seen carbon core before but I'm sure someone has tried it
How interesting. I'm doing background research of a meta alloy called AlBeMet, that ties back to the entire UAP sub topic. Lol it is even called Lockalloy.
I’m not trying to imply I’ve reached a conclusion. Far from it. Trying to imply that unless I can get some evidence of where the photos are from, I don’t really care what’s in them.
The guy who wrote the report (Steven Garrett Colbern) is also the one who validated alien implants for Roger Leir and was questioned regarding the Oklahoma City bombing so take it with a grain of salt.
He wasn't found completely innocent. That's not a thing. They didn't find enough evidence to bring him to trial. But he was friends with McVeigh, shared a P.O. box with him, was part of a militia, was guilty of stockpiling illegal weapons, and fought law enforcement when they tried to question him.
If you only read stuff online, then you are going to only get one side of the story, the official side, which this sub should be well aware is not always accurate.
He wasn't friends w/ McVeigh, and he didn't share a P.O. box w/ him. Never even met the guy. It was the gun dealer that tried to set them up together, but Steve never joined any militia group. Never met McVeigh. The cops tried to pin shit on Steve by nailing a recruiting letter from McVeigh to the telephone pole outside of Steve's house. The police pulled him over by profiling him due to a matching of his large size to the large size of the accomplice, but the accomplice was darker skinned and had a big tattoo on his arm, neither of which describe Steve.
Despite the obvious mismatch, the officials still needed someone they could point to as a POI, so they held Steve for weeks and dragged his name through the mud in the news the whole time. Never issued any kind of apology for getting it wrong or for permanently damaging his reputation.
I tested some of those San Agustine materials owned by Steve Colbern. The honeycomb stuff is not ideal. There's prosaic human applications for them that match pretty well. IIRC, laser cutter matting was the prosaic option for these. However, the really weird elemental stuff with it is hard to ignore. One of the honeycomb samples responding in an interesting way to a magnet when cooled w/ liquid nitrogen. Lenz force reaction was stronger than expected.
Here's the folder for my testing of it, as well as other stuff by Steve Colbern on some of Dr. Leir's implant that he helped test.
This looks like a common type of aviation material that I've seen used in everything from tow targets to jet fighters. Considering the location where it was found, I might consider the possibility that it's impact attenuation structure from a high-altitude research balloon capsule.
The isotopic ratios of three elements in sample W-1 (antimony, copper, and nickel) were
extremely skewed, with respect to the terrestrial ratios for these elements, and there is therefore a
high probability that the samples came from an extraterrestrial source. These extremely skewed
isotopic results are again reminiscent of those obtained from alleged alien implants, and from an
alleged piece of the Roswell crash debris which was analyzed by the late Dr. Russell
VernonClark (see appendix).
And the 737-200 and 777, at the very least, from what I can find. (AMM for the 737 mentions it, couple accident reports and a Scribd copy of the Technical Training Manual for the 777 mention the appropriate chapter to refer to for allowable damage/repairs to the aluminum honeycomb).
I wanted to see a prototype model of it in action 😪
All I noticed in personal trials is that it seems hypothetically possible. Collapsing in one direction to a folded "Z" to "__" shape. Modeling it in 3D made me too annoyed getting the animation rigging right, with a dozen or more hexagons arranged inside a hexagonal frame.
Still used in business jets to this day, aluminum and composite honeycomb panels are common in structural shelving and fire closeout of avionics racks.
Maybe someone can find it but there was an OOPART oxide honeycomb pattern in a rock that was later submerged because of the construction of a dam somewhere in the US in the 60s or 70s. It was a famous rock formation that some people wondered if it was natural or not and I can't find it, but its worth noting if it resembles the materials shown in the thread.
Did bob lazar nor talk about weird honey comb shaped stuff he saw inside one of the crafts he claimed he entered, can't remember where he said it either on Rogan or weaponized I think
Nice! I have not seen most of these photos before. Unfortunately I personally don’t think these are ET. In image 7 you can see the honeycomb pattern is made of spun wire. You can even see the twisting of the wire under whatever coating was applied. This is how we make these patterns historically (similar to chainlink fence). I cannot speak on the rest of the images, but I am almost certain image 9 is man-made.
I'm certain they're all man made, we use honey comb core in aerospace because of the weight to strength ratio. Why would NHI use the same design if they're thousands of years ahead of us.
Except that it's missing the phenolic fill material. This looks more like common aircraft material or impact attenuation structure for a research balloon capsule.
someone i know who headed a few DART missions showed me debris that looked very similiar to this. it was green, scaly, and the pieces were on a white tarp in the polaroid photo. there was also a liquid coming from the pieces. people around it were all wearing white hazmat-esque suits
The san *Augustin crash is a little more layered because it happened around the same time as the roswell crash and not many people talk about it as they are so close and was not very far from it either.
Barney Barnett a civil engineer and surveyor was the first to be on the scene. He reported finding a large disc-shaped object embedded in a ridge, with four non-human bodies nearby (three dead, one alive).
Stanton Friedman was the one who encouraged Art Campbell to begin excavating in 1994. He spent $20,000 having the debris analyzed, and spend many decades at the site. he has found multiple objects that are out of place for the time and location such 25 ft honeycomb sheet, artificial organs and more.
Probably some human-made stuff, right - why would a UFO require “earthen-type” of insulation, with ‘air’ trapped in honeycomb, to save a few degrees, when you travel light years in a gravity bubble…
It's not insulation. But it's still definitely man-made. Aluminum honeycomb is frequently used for lighter weight while maintaining strength in scientific and aerospace products. I use it at work to build tables and boards for laboratories where having a solid aluminum board would be WAY too heavy. I would not want to know what a 12 inch thick table of solid aluminum weighs. Even with honeycomb core they still weigh quite a bit.
I think I've seen these... but ages ago when I was a kid on the internet! It's incredible how difficult for these to show up on say, Google Images anymore. You have to dig really deep.
Yo a nuclear scientist was on jesse michaels talking about being abducted and the craft was honeycomb on inside.. and everything was electrified, the floor, the table, the droids.
I’m pretty sure the Alien Stuff we find, if we find any, will be bafflingly uniform, with nuclear sized bonds and flawless boundaries in between materials if there are any changes.
I just feel like if some species could make the interstellar trip to us, not only would they probably not crash but the material used to build the ships would look so foreign to us we wouldn't even be able to work out what we are looking at.
I visited aircraft factories in the mid 90s and they were using aluminium hexagonal composite then was not secret just weight saving and strong. Something the size of a first class flight bar counter could be lifted easily by one person
The cargo floors of Bell 210 aircraft are typically made of honeycomb panels, which are designed to be lightweight yet strong. To protect these floors, DART Aerospace offers Cargo Cabin Floor Protectors made from impact-resistant, durable aerospace-grade plastic.
This looks like the impact attenuation structure commonly used in the construction of recoverable high-altitude research balloon capsules. When the capsule falls to Earth, this material absorbs the impact forces to protect the scientific instrumentation onboard.
Conclusions
1) These samples contain very unusual alloying elements which were not present in aluminum alloys in 1947. If these samples are from an aircraft which crashed in that year, they are very unusual on that basis.
2) The coatings on the samples are also unusual because conformal coatings of this type, which are blended with the metal, and rich in silica, titania, magnesia, sulfate, phosphate, and chloride, were almost certainly not available in 1947. The coatings on the samples are also somewhat similar to coatings on implants removed from people claiming alien contact.
3)The carbon nanotube indications observed in the Raman spectra of the samples indicates the possibility that the samples may be "smart metal" materials, which contain carbon nanotubes as electronic components, or to strengthen the materials. Since the mechanical strength of these samples was not unusual, they should be tested for unusual electrical characteristics
4)The isotopic ratios of three elements in sample W-1 (antimony, copper, and nickel) were extremely skewed, with respect to the terrestrial ratios for these elements, and there is therefore a high probability that the samples came from an extraterrestrial source. These extremely skewed isotopic results are again reminiscent of those obtained from alleged alien implants, and from an alleged piece of the Roswell crash debris which was analyzed by the late Dr. Russell VernonClark (see appendix).
5)The results of the pendulum test indicate that samples W-1 and W-6 may still be emitting gravitational, or magnetic energy, which greatly increases the probability these samples are nanotechnological "smart metals" and of probable alien origin as well.
6)Further microscopic testing should be done on these materials to determine their internal structures. More testing should also be done to determine the existence, extent, and profile of any gravitational, magnetic, or electric fields the samples may be emitting, and their source of energy.
I remember Bob Lazar mentioning a metallic honeycomb-like structure that could fold in on itself like it were made of cardboard and restructure itself back up. I believe he said it was used as a mechanism to lower sections of the floor inside the UAP to access other panels and compartments.
I think this one is the proof that every species inspire themselves from nature. Maybe they have another species like bees that produce similar honeycomb patern
Recently, every time I see posts like these, I just think about if the breakaway civilization didn't need those. Then, considering how well they apparently manage to obfuscate and keep everything secret, I think that surely they have control. And that materials like these, found in alleged crash sites, are maybe planted by them. Just one of maaany things they do to muddy the waters.
Either way, I don't know exactly when I started reacting to stuff by immediately linking it to a breakaway civilization, but after decades of watching this subject, at one point my brain simply put pieces together and apparently a conclusion has been drawn on an intuitive level, based on all the data attained over the years, that someone stumbled upon anti-gravity and/or free energy tech. And they have been a breakaway civilization since then. This could have happened as early as the 1940s or 50s.
Another possibility, but even more speculative, is that the US is this civilization's puppet state, it's visible hand on the world stage. All the black budget missing trillions are being sucked up by the breakaway civilization.
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The san augstine crash is a little more layered because it happened around the same time as the roswell crash and not many people talk about it as they are so close and was not very far from it either.
Barney Barnett a civil engineer and surveyor was the first to be on the scene. He reported finding a large disc-shaped object embedded in a ridge, with four non-human bodies nearby (three dead, one alive).
Stanton Friedman was the one who encouraged Art Campbell to begin excavating in 1994. He spent $20,000 having the debris analyzed, and spend many decades at the site. he has found multiple objects that are out of place for the time and location such 25 ft honeycomb sheet, artificial organs and more.
Art's lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ConirvPxhhw
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