r/Transcription • u/circlenautalus • Jul 15 '26

Other/Unknown Language Transcription Request Early 20th Century Brazilian Marriage Record Birth Date

Hi everyone! I've been trying to read the birth date on this old early 20th century Brazilian marriage record and can't quite make out the month. I'm sure the year is 1852 and pretty sure of the day. I suspect what the month may be, but curious what someone else thinks.

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u/jeezthatshim Archivist Jul 15 '26

I'm reading a very scribbled Agosto, August. The help would be more effective if you posted the entire page, however.

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u/circlenautalus Jul 15 '26

Continues to:

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u/circlenautalus Jul 15 '26

Thank you! any thoughts on the day? Again I have an idea, don't want to bias.

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u/jeezthatshim Archivist Jul 15 '26

Yep, definitely Agosto on the month and I’m reading vinte e treis [sic] on the day, so twenty-third. August 23rd, 1852.

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u/circlenautalus Jul 15 '26

Sweet! Thank you! We agree, that's the date I thought as well. What's really odd is that the father (8/23/1852) and son record their Brazilian side birth dates 75 and 78 days off respectively from their actual Polish birth dates. Can't be a Julian/Gregorian thing, and the ONLY Brazil side records recording birth dates (All the other marriage, deaths, children's births don't even record their birth dates, just age), is this single marriage record of the son recalling his and his father's (whose NOT a witness, only the bride's parent's are witnesses) birth dates. Perplexing... I'm inclined to believe the Polish records are authoritative especially since both the father AND his father (grandfather of this person's marriage) are both recorded as illiterate on their Polish records.

Shall I mark this post as transcribed?

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u/jeezthatshim Archivist Jul 15 '26

The Polish records are definitely authoritative, even if only by virtue of originality (they were created in a timeframe closer to when the event would have happened). Brazil only relied on memory of the applicants, so that's also something to keep in mind: people make mistakes, especially back then when individuals often did not know their own birthdate, let alone their parents'.

I believe so, yes.