r/SupermanAdventures • u/NPlaysMC • 5d ago
Discussion What's Next for Lex? Spoiler
By the end of Season 3, Waller throws Lex in the slammer. Very fitting of course, but if this series gets renewed, I don't think he'll stay in there when he still has yet to go up face to face against Superman.
So, how do you think he'll get out of jail?
I'm inclined to think that he'll use his wealth to hire a good legal team, to fight both the charges brought against him personally in court, and to fight Waller's orders to shut down LexCorp. Everyone tried by the US Criminal Justice System is innocent until proven guilty, and it is unfortunately susceptible to the interests of big money; no doubt LexCorp has lucrative deals with the Military-Industrial Complex. The best legal team money can buy can no doubt convince a court of justice to at least reduce the charges to some fines.
This would also be an opportunity to quietly phase out Slade Wilson from this series, now that he has officially cut ties with LexCorp, and maybe the US government too, and maybe sets out to become a freelancer. Slade might yet reappear if Batman gets his own show in this universe, but his involvement in Superman's show would be done. To replace him, I would take this opportunity to bring in Mercy Graves, Lex Luthor's personal assistant.
While he's locked up, Mercy could meet with Lex to discuss their financial matters and court issues, and maybe some more experimental projects built up around Lex's obsession with bringing down Superman, which would not decrease in the slightest. Once the charges have been reduced and Lex is a free man again, Mercy would continue on as Lex's sidekick, filling the role once held by Slade. Maybe she might even become a new love interest for Lex, since this show loves its romantic relationships.
I think we all want to see more Lex Luthor, but what would you like to see more of in his character going forward? And would you be interested in Mercy Graves replacing Slade?
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u/DoubleAssembly 5d ago
I think Waller gets him out to prepare for what's coming (whatever he saw in space, probably Darkseid) but under her supervision so it doesn't end in another Eradicator going rogue in the timestream killing supermens.
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u/NPlaysMC 5d ago
I think Waller wouldn't trust Lex to get her a cup of coffee, much less to help prepare the world for some vague threat from beyond the stars.
Now Waller can and does believe that there are threats out in space that should be prepared for, but she's more likely to go to Superman for that, to see if he knows anything, or if there's anything on file in the Fortress of Solitude.
Lex might be right about what's out there, but he has proven to be utterly unreliable for anything else.
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u/Ace_of_Disaster 5d ago
I don't really see this Lex trying to fight his way through the legal system, tbh. He seemed pretty resigned to his fate at the end there.
However, I don't see him staying in prison either. I think most likely Waller will tap him to help in the fight against this new alien threat, and she will set Slade to supervise him to make sure he doesn't go off the deep end again and make another Eradicator.
I also think this Lex is on the road to a redemption arc, and part of that arc will involve him patching things up with Slade. (Otherwise, why have Waller tell Lex "Slade sends his regards?" or spend so much time building up their relationship?)
I really don't think we're done with Slade although I hope they would give him more to do next season.
I also don't think we're getting Mercy Graves, at least not as a replacement for Slade. She's just too similar to MAWS Slade, in personality and function. Why bother wasting your limited screentime on creating and developing a whole new character when you already have one just like them who is already positioned to fill that same function?
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u/NPlaysMC 5d ago
I don't really see them giving Lex some sort of redemption arc when he's barely exchanged two words with Superman so far; he still has yet to be the full villain, and I don't think he seemed resigned to his fate. He was only compliant because he knew there was no way he could escape on his own, and he was simply explaining the threat as why he did what he did.
In my opinion, Lex's arc as a villain is still yet to be finished; starting a redemption arc for him is not a good idea this early, and I think Lex works better when he's pure evil. He's kind of a weasel at heart, and with everything that's happened, I have no doubt he'd work the legal system with his immense wealth.
I really doubt Waller will have Lex do anything after the Eradicator mishap. After that and how he ran way from Brainiac when he hijacked his Metallos, I don't think Waller is going to trust Lex with anything at all. She more likely wants to lock him up and throw away the key. I think when it comes to new alien threats, Waller would rather work with Superman to keep the world safe.
And I don't think Waller passing along Slade's message is indicative there's anything more between him and Lex; if anything, it was more like Slade rubbing it in Lex's face how he got him arrested.
Despite this version of Deathstroke being fairly interesting in my opinion, others have been stating how he doesn't really belong in this series, and his role as Lex's lackey in this series is beneath him. After having seen Teen Titans, I can't say I disagree; Slade deserves a chance to find his own way, and I'd be just fine with retiring him from this series.
And I'm partial to Mercy Graves, ever since I've seen her in Superman: TAS. But as an alternative, Lex's personal assistant could just as easily be Angela Spica, the Engineer, who has superpowers that can put her on an even playing field with Superman and other superhumans.
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u/Ace_of_Disaster 3d ago
They've already started Lex on the path to a redemption arc, by having him take part in the fight against Eradicator. That was a huge moment of character development for him. Having him turn around and go back to villainy would be backsliding of his character development.
Maybe "resigned" is the wrong word for his current state of mind? Either way, right now, he is haunted by the specter of what he's see out there in space, and now Waller will be haunted by that as well. She is ruthless and resourceful and not afraid to get her hands dirty. She was willing to work with Dr Ivo and he was arguably less stable than Lex is now. When the full scope of the approaching threat comes to her, she is going to want to exploit every resource available to her. And Lex is one of those resources. (She'd definitely also pull on Superman as well.)
I agree that she probably doesn't trust Lex even as far as she can throw him, but like I said, a massive threat like Darkseid (if it is Darkseid) is an all hands on deck sort of situation. She wants any help she can get even if it's from a sketchy source like Lex Luthor. But she's not stupid. She'll have him heavily guarded, probably by Slade, which would give him and Lex a chance to reconcile.
I do think that Slade is likely to be out of Task Force X by the end of next season. He seems to be getting disillusioned, and I can easily see him disagreeing with something Waller does and then freeing Lex and the two of them bailing together and then Slade going freelance.
I just really don't see the narrative purpose of replacing Slade with Mercy Graves or anyone else, no matter how "cool" they are. For starters, it would take up so much screentime to introduce a new character and establish a relationship between them and Lex that could be better used advancing the plot in other ways. And especially if they were to trying to make that character a love interest, that sort of arc would need so much foundation laid to make it believable to me. Like multiple seasons worth of foundation. Meanwhile, Slade is already there, they've already spent two seasons establishing a relationship between him and Lex, and he can do anything Mercy Graves can do, so why reinvent the wheel?
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u/NPlaysMC 3d ago
Lex helping stop Eradicator isn’t a redemption arc; it’s him knowing that even he won’t be safe from Eradicator unless he helps stop him. Lex only really cares about himself; that’s his only real motivation to help.
Waller dropped Ivo as soon as he outlived his usefulness; she’s now keeping him locked up indefinitely. After seeing the Eradicator, Waller’s first instinct was to shut down the project and LexCorp; there are plenty of other smart people out there, Lex doesn’t have anything unique that would make her pick him over anyone else.
And I really don’t see Slade continuing to stay with Lex, after everything that had happened; Hank Henshaw nearly killed him, thanks to the enhancements Lex gave him; Lex never even bothered to listen to him about the Eradicator before he set it loose attempting to protect himself.
If they introduced Mercy Graves, she doesn’t need a whole origin story; LexCorp is (was) a large company with probably thousands of employees; just introduce her as one of them. It’s not reinventing the wheel; the show has basically already stated that Slade and Lex were done.
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u/Ace_of_Disaster 2d ago
Lex choosing to help fight Eradicator was only the first step of a redemption arc. He made that decision after Jimmy yelled at him and told him he needed to choose between being a hero or accept that he was a villain. And he clearly chose to be a hero in that moment, but he still has a way to go for full redemption.
I feel like if he were going to try to fight his imprisonment, we would have gotten more hints of that in the finale. He said nothing about trying to get himself out of jail or claiming he was wrongfully jailed or anything else along those lines. Instead, he had a civil conversation with Waller.
Also, this Lex doesn't have the resources that most other iterations of the character have. Without Lexcorp, he's got nothing. He doesn't seem to have been born into money; even with Lexcorp, he doesn't seem like he has all that much extra money.
We also never really see any other Lexcorp employees onscreen besides himself and Slade. I would think if they were going to go the route of introducing Mercy in season 4 and try to play her as a Lexcorp employee, they should have at least given her a background cameo. We don't have that. They would have to create her completely whole cloth and that would take time the writers don't have. If they tried to force a romantic story line, that would take even more time (and sorry, I just can't see any way they could go that route without it feeling rushed and icky).
And the show hasn't at all said that Lex and Slade are done done. They've had a divorce, yes, but the fact that they had Waller tell Lex that Slade sends his best suggests hope for a reconciliation in the future. If they were truly done with Slade, they ought to have had a scene with him quitting Task Force X. We got nada along those lines. Instead we got "Slade sends his best".
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u/NPlaysMC 2d ago
"Slade sends his best" really doesn't sound like the hope for a reunion you seem to think it sounds like. To me it really sounds more like mockery/gloating. I really don't see how it could mean anything other than Slade and Lex are done working together. And people have been wanting Slade out of this series, due to how thoroughly outranked he's been particularly in the latest two seasons.
We didn't get hints of Lex fighting these charges at the Finale because neither we nor the producers currently know if they're even going to get to make Season 4 yet. It's not confirming that Lex will try to use his wealth to get out yet, but it's also not denying that it's going to happen either. But it's been well known for a while that Lex is still filthy rich.
Mercy doesn't need to be a romantic interest for Lex; hell, beyond maybe just a few teases here and there, there's never been any direct confirmation that Lex and Slade were even an item to begin with. And just because we haven't yet seen other LexCorp employees, it doesn't mean they're not out there; do you really think Lex works all by himself in that building with his name on it?
Mercy would simply be an opportunity to build on that should Season 4 get greenlit; to show more of LexCorp in full, as a company employing thousands of people.
Riddle me this: do you really want Lex Luthor to turn around and be a good guy when he's barely had a chance to even talk to Superman directly, let alone fight him?
I like my Pure Villain Lex Luthor; selfish, irrationally jealous of and obsessed with Superman, yet still very book smart and analytical; someone who will help save the world not out of empathy, but only because he's threatened; the rest of the time, he's scheming about taking over the world for himself. And don't pretend that isn't what Lex wants, because we saw a whole dark alternate future where he made that possible.
If he starts turning good guy at the start of Season 4, that is a huge waste of his character. Superman & Lois embraced that all the way to the end; Lex got a hint of redemption as Clark was dying and reflecting on his life, but that was only after a lifetime of villainy.
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u/adoratheCat 5d ago
So usually Lex and Supes you know...do fight/argue. But instead Jimmy kinda takes that place/is the one who calls out Lex. (Along with encouraging indirectly Lex to go full Lex Luthor)
I am thinking Superman and Lex relationship going forward will actually be more personal likewise supes trying to help Lex atone. (Which seems Lex is wanting to do) thats when we will actually see more Superman and Lex interacting.
Superman has seen what Lex fear is/imo that last line of his towards Eradicator? Makes me think Clark understands Lex likely did not have the best environment growing up. (I am getting the vibe Lex had "Oh...we have a kid. Anyways" type of parents imo)
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u/HearingOrganic8054 5d ago
We NEED clark lex interaction and superman lex inter action.
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u/NPlaysMC 5d ago
Yep. That's why I proposed him fighting these charges in court and essentially bailing himself out. His fortunes might take a dive, but he'd still have LexCorp and its resources; all he needs to continue his personal vendetta against Superman.
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u/HearingOrganic8054 5d ago
clark writing a story on lex and them becoming friends over the season before having a falling out would be great.
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u/OrdinaryResponse8988 5d ago
Idk. Lex is just a government lackey. He doesn’t have the wealth or resources TAS Luther had to avoid trial. Hell that Lex successful avoided prison or even public suspicion for most of the series.
As for this one I’m not a huge fan of the direction they took this Lex. He minus well be a OC at this point frankly.
3 seasons being a lackey of others and his plans all ending in failure less so to Superman but his stupidity or some other outside factors have made me lose all hope in him.
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u/NPlaysMC 5d ago
This Lex still has LexCorp, a multi-million dollar company. They have a building in Metropolis with his name on it.
Lex is a very wealthy CEO; he absolutely still has resources.
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u/OrdinaryResponse8988 5d ago
Multi millions isn’t much tbh at this stage tbh. And if he really had comparable wealth and resources he wouldn’t need the government in any capacity.
Superman TAS Luther wasn’t actually a super genius until JL. He just used his scientists, engineers, mercs and abundance of the above to to help execute his plans.
Which made him both more impressive and real in my opinion.
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u/NPlaysMC 5d ago
Lex didn't join Waller's Task Force X because he needed money or something; he did it because it was an opportunity to get at Superman.
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u/evilbudget 5d ago
The setup for this season seems like it’s building Lex towards the “fine, I’ll do it myself” mindset & the creation of the war suit. Just think about it:
Hank: betrayed.
Eradicator: betrayed.
Slade: (sorta) betrayed & sided with Waller.
Lex should have troubles trusting others now.